UFC 128 Review

Brendan Schaub is a monster! This guy's a legend killer! Give him Nogueira next let him clean up all the Pride fossils.

Good to see some folk admitting Bisping could take Nate, I've been saying that for ages.

Faber will make quick work of Benavidez and become the champ. That guy is awesome!

Welcome to the Jones era, get used to it, it's going to last a while. The Last Emperor is no more, we now have a new MMA great!!!

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mikeyboybisping wrote:Brendan Schaub is a monster! This guy's a legend killer! Give him Nogueira next let him clean up all the Pride fossils.

This is Schaubs style he only fights fighters coming off a loss so Nog seems the logical choice.

You are a complete cock mate... Bisping would have been mauled by Nate last night and Miller... Jones is a natural HW I believe... He has such a large reach and size advantage over all his opponents its kinda unfair but I guess if he is making weight then fair play... Although I won't be jumping on any band wagons until he mans up and moves up!

Schaub was losing he is complete cack! Put JDS in there with him and he would.... well prob die! Never seen someone want to clinch so much but do nothing with it!

mikeyboybisping wrote:Faber will make quick work of Benavidez and become the champ. That guy is awesome!

He'll do well to make quick work of Benavidez seeing how Dominick Cruz is the champion.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Schuabb is legit.

MikeyBoyBisping with his usual garbage.

Cowboy From Hell wrote:

Best post of the day!

pinsman wrote:UFC please can you get Hendo back to KO Jones and put a stop to all this stupidity!

Haha we talking the same Hendo who was comprehensively bar the first round handled by Jake shields?

Can't understand why Jones' ability is even in question. People on here are calling for Machida even, the same guy that lost to Rampage yeah?

redmeanie77 wrote:

That was more 1 sided than Brock-Mir 2 !! Im not buying that Shogun was not 100% either, he rehab'd his knee properly this time and saw a specialist. And said he was ready.

Shogun was completley gassed after 2 or 3 minutes...of course he was not at 100%

considering he lasted 25 minutes against Machida without gassing at all, and here he totally was spent in 2.5 minutes, he was at 10% ~ at best.
Jones did what Forrest did.

Shogun also came charging out and said before hand he was "going to finish him as soon as possible".
He knew he was not in shape.

Prime in shape Shogun has never lost.

redmeanie77 wrote:


And Axe forget about Crocop he's done. Wasnt even winning the fight. Had a bit of a flurry after landing an illegal upkick which the ref did even deduct a point for (infact he didnt even let Schaub regain his position on top ) That kick really hurt Schaub.

Schaub was standing up as he was kicked, it would be wrong to position them on the ground.

SupermanSlap, You're on MikeyBoy's level.

Hendo gassed against Sheilds. He was destroying him until he gassed.

Machida beat Rampage. Even Rampage admitted it.

Bones is being questioned because his victory was very clearly down to Shogun's long lay-off.



Quality posts Chesty.

As for Jones, he looked impressive in holding Shogun down for a minute or so, after that Shogun was easy pickings...so hard to be impressive.

Who knows what will happen in the Rashad fight?? I would expect Jones to win, however....i still maintain that Jones is an average striker, maybe Rashad striking can caus him trouble?
Despite being a fantastic MMA wrestler i can't see Rashad getting Jones down due to the size difference.
...maybe he could drag him into the later rounds?? ...like i said, who knows


Machida is a tough style for Jones. Machida at his best form would give Jones a lot of problems honestly.

Rampage in his current style has only a punchers chance against Jones to be honest, he has regressed steadily since fighting in PRIDE.


what else was i gonna say...oh yeah...bad night for the old PRIDE boys.
they still are a big force in SF though with Overeem and Werdum the top heavyweights, Hendo and Mousasi the top 205ers, calling Melendez and Diaz PRIDE fighters is pushing it but Kawajiri is fighting for the belt next!

Sounds like there are alot of butt hurt fans on here today

Cro-cop was never winning that fight,not even close,he looked better and put up a better showing for himself than 90% of his previuos UFC fights,but thats not exactly hard or really that impressive is it.
Schaub won the first,won the second(pt deducted so 9-9 rd)and sparked him in the last rd,a rd he was winning also.
would of been 29 - 27 schaub if it went the distance.

Well atleast theres a bright side to it,the saga seems like it's come to an end so the UFC can now use that fat wage they've been wasting on Cro-flop and put it to good use on some good fighters.

Shogun didn't look good at all,but Bones did no doubts about it.
A fit shogun would of obviously been a bigger challenge,but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if bones would of done the exact same thing to the prime Shogun of Pride,he's a beast,he's got his title and I personally think he'll be keeping it for a good length of time.

All he could do is beat they guy infront of him and he did that in dominating style,hats off to him,he is the new #1 LHW in the world and he is a deserving champ,who at only 23 is going to continue to improve and evolve into an even better fighter.

I have no doubts that he's the real deal,the new best LHW on the planet and a deserving champ,and I think he will keep proving it by continuing to beat whoever they put infront of him,Rashad,machida or Rampage.

Great event,enjoyed every fight on the card.

pinsman wrote:I didnt see Shogun tap???? I'd agree that Machida would be a tough fight for Jones as he is so defensive and Jones would have to go looking for him!

Shockingly i'm not surprised at all the Bones bashing. Sometimes this place really does remind me of Sherdog.



Payne, utter garbage regarding the CroCop fight but of course that's to be expected from you. Schaub was not easily winning at all, it was close, but CroCop edged the second (and won it comfortably with the deduction) and was winning the third until Schaub landed a lucky as fuck punch behind the temple, then proved himself a dick and landed another unnecessary punch afterwards.

No love for the barboza kick? Up there with the petis kick
Jim miller looked v good rekon he will get a top guy next up
Marquardt failed to excite once again, but did enough against Dan miller marquardt says his next fight could be at 170 I rekon due to gsp poss stepping up if he beats shields, marquardt has said he would never fight gsp
Cro cop was doing ok better than he has looked in most of his ufc outings gone are those pride days lads
Schaub showed god ko power that was a harsh ko
Faber was good not great though but did enough wineland was a little gammer than I thought
Cruz faber no doubt the next coaches of tuff do feel bad for bowles though
Jones was top draw last night no buts or ifs shogun did look like he had been on the Sanchez diet and not the dolce diet, don't get the jones isn't allowed to cut weight but everyone else is argument
The new breeds ko was good as was canes dismantling of a soon to be released again Marshall
Went with my heart with big dog and batman gutted

payneNglory1 wrote:

Sounds like there are alot of butt hurt fans on here today
Cro-cop was never winning that fight,not even close,he looked better and put up a better showing for himself than 90% of his previuos UFC fights,but thats not exactly hard or really that impressive is it.
Schaub won the first,won the second(pt deducted so 9-9 rd)and sparked him in the last rd,a rd he was winning also.
would of been 29 - 27 schaub if it went the distance.

Well atleast theres a bright side to it,the saga seems like it's come to an end so the UFC can now use that fat wage they've been wasting on Cro-flop and put it to good use on some good fighters.

Shogun didn't look good at all,but Bones did no doubts about it.
A fit shogun would of obviously been a bigger challenge,but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if bones would of done the exact same thing to the prime Shogun of Pride,he's a beast,he's got his title and I personally think he'll be keeping it for a good length of time.

All he could do is beat they guy infront of him and he did that in dominating style,hats off to him,he is the new #1 LHW in the world and he is a deserving champ,who at only 23 is going to continue to improve and evolve into an even better fighter.

I have no doubts that he's the real deal,the new best LHW on the planet and a deserving champ,and I think he will keep proving it by continuing to beat whoever they put infront of him,Rashad,machida or Rampage.

Great event,enjoyed every fight on the card.

Absolute garbage from start to finish. CroCop was clearly winning the fight. Took the second round 10-8 and was winning the final round. Schaub threw that punch out of desperation because he was clearly losing the fight. Would have been 29-27 CroCop. No question.

Bones would have done the same to the Shogun that fought in Pride?? Do you have any idea how retarded that is?? Shogun in Pride was the ONLY fighter who could have touched Fedor in his prime! He was the number 1 LHW in the world, even when Wandi and Chuck were walking around with the belts they sat behind Shogun. Shogun from Pride would have beaten Bones in less than a round. He was at about 20 per cent last night and any top 10 LHW would have beaten him. And some would have beaten him quicker than Jones did. It would have been an embarrassment what Machida would have done to Shogun last night. The worst performance of his life.

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

Shockingly i'm not surprised at all the Bones bashing. Sometimes this place really does remind me of Sherdog.

Well if anyone would know about Sherdog it's you :p

Everyone at each others throats as usual I see

The truth is that last night Bones humiliated Shogun and made him look like a poor fighter. But I really do think people are looking over that Shogun was clearly in no condition to fight for the title. He came into that fight looking awful, his conditioning atrocious and it was without doubt the worst performance of his life. I don't think he'll ever put on a performance as poor as he did last night. And it can all be put down to the layoff he had. I know it's an unfortunate situation where it's really no ones fault but last night was simply not fair. I never thought I'd see a Shogun worse than the one who fought Coleman. I don't want to take anything away from Jones, he was a beast last night and continued to look very impressive. No matter the circumstances, winning a UFC title in a stacked division is very impressive. I can't think of anyone who could beat him right now. Someone suggested Hendo. Really? I love Hendo as much as anyone else but can you really see him beating Jones? I know he gassed against Shields, but it doesn't take away the fact that Shields took him down far too easily. Imagine how easy a time Jones would have. And after a while, Hendo would gas anyway.

I can't see anyone from SF beating him at LHW. I think he would destroy Mousasi and Cavalcante and King Mo still hasn't sorted his conditioning to become any sort of threat to the top LHWs.

I only see Machida and a fully fit Shogun capable of causing him problems. Evans possibly as well. Problem with Machida is Dana thinks he lost his last fight (which he didn't) and won't give him a shot until at least 2 fights in the future. After Randy he has to beat someone else. I also think the size difference between Jones and Machida will be quite big. I can't see Machida stopping Jones's takedowns. Who knows how long it will take Shogun to get back to full fitness. Will he ever get back to full fitness?

On the Schaub Cro Cop fight. I don't know why, but I really don't like Schaub. I think he's overhyped and lacking as a fighter. With that being said, people were being harsh last night. Cro Cop is way past it, but he did cause some problems for JDS and Mir as well. To say Schaub is "complete shit" is just unfair if you base it on last night.

Nate looked ok, Miller is the definition of average though.

Faber won a tough fight, I really think Wineland is underrated. He's a good fighter.

Miller continued to look good, but still hasn't beaten a top LW. Last time he fought one he was dominated. Time for a step up I think.

Axe your blinded by cro-cops swinging sack that you are holding on to so tight mate.


Not that it really makes a difference because he once again got KTFO,but Schaub out struck cro-cop,landing a total of 40 of his 83 power strikes(109-156 total strikes),compared to Cro-cops 21 of 39(52-71 total strikes),he also scored 4 takedowns compared to cro-cops 0.

rd1

Schaub - 21 out of 39 power strikes landed(54 - 74 total) + 1 takedown
cro-cop - 5 out of 9 power strikes landed (12-17 total)+ 0 takedowns

rd2

Schaub - 15-29 (35-50 total)+ 1 takedown
Cro-cop - 12-16 (22-26 total) + 0 takedown

rd3

Schaub - 4-15 (20-33 total) + 2 takedowns
cro-cop - 4-14 (18-28 total) + 0 takedown


http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3317

Not retarded at all,regarding my Bones comment,it's more of a case of,you are still stuck in the past and over glamorize the actual skill level of the fighters and fights back in Pride.

The sports moved on,and the standards are higher,new fighters come along and better the old ones,plus the standard of Athlete (the training,nutrition,everything has evolved and improved)participating in the sport,are of a higher caliber now and it just happens that Jon Jones is the cream of the crop of the new breed.

If Rampage would leave the Wolfslair and join a real camp he'd beat Bones IMO. Superior striker. Just as stronger, if not stronger. Size wise he's as big as they come at 205. And he hits HARD. While he stays with the Lions Den wannabes he's going to be a plodder though.

Machida has the takedown defence to stop Jones taking him down for me. I'm not overly impressed with Jones's takedowns unless it's from the clinch and Machida's a vastly superior allround grappler whose Judo and Sumo skills would, IMO, nullify Bones in the clinch. Striking wise it's no contest. Machida is miles ahead. Machida's speed and elusive-ness are streets ahead of anyone Bones has faced. And he's a great counter striker who can take advantage of the massive holes in Bones's striking. A prime Shogun would have had a field day last night. Jones leaves himself open an awful lot. His only advantages against Machida are strength and reach. Those can be nullified.

Evans has greater speed, better striking and he's a great wrestler who will know Bones inside out. The big question is Rashad's chin. But he does have great head movement and other than Silva and Machida nobody has managed to catch him. And both of them are far better strikers than Bones.

I read some idiot on ESPN asking had Bones surpassed Anderson as the UFC's most dangerous striker. Baffling stupidity.

payneNglory1 wrote:

Axe your blinded by cro-cops swinging sack that you are holding on to so tight mate.


Not that it really makes a difference because he once again got KTFO,but Schaub out struck cro-cop,landing a total of 40 of his 83 power strikes(109-156 total strikes),compared to Cro-cops 21 of 39(52-71 total strikes),he also scored 4 takedowns compared to cro-cops 0.

rd1

Schaub - 21 out of 39 power strikes landed(54 - 74 total) + 1 takedown
cro-cop - 5 out of 9 power strikes landed (12-17 total)+ 0 takedowns

rd2

Schaub - 15-29 (35-50 total)+ 1 takedown
Cro-cop - 12-16 (22-26 total) + 0 takedown

rd3

Schaub - 4-15 (20-33 total) + 2 takedowns
cro-cop - 4-14 (18-28 total) + 0 takedown


http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3317

Not retarded at all,regarding my Bones comment,it's more of a case of,you are still stuck in the past and over glamorize the actual skill level of the fighters and fights back in Pride.

The sports moved on,and the standards are higher,new fighters come along and better the old ones,plus the standard of Athlete (the training,nutrition,everything has evolved and improved)participating in the sport,are of a higher caliber now and it just happens that Jon Jones is the cream of the crop of the new breed.

Laughable stuff. I love when people try and use fightmetric to back up their argument. It's been proved that fightmetric doesn't tell the story of a fight.

CroCop clearly won the second round and with the point deduction it was a 10-8 and he was winning the 3rd. At best Schaub would have gotten a draw but Mirko beat him convincingly in the second round. He landed the better and cleaner shots. And 22 from 26 is efficiency. Schaub swinging and missing does not win him the round. His striking was ineffective in the second and CroCop was controlling the 3rd. Schaub took him down and then got punched in the face so he stood back up because he couldn't do anything on the ground.

Your Bones comment was retarded. Pride era Shogun is the greatest LHW in the history of MMA. Bones wouldn't have lasted a round.

I think Jones VS Rashad will be an interesting match up, they know each other inside out, and Rashad claims there is a weakness that Jones has that he can exploit. Plus with the whole Greg Jackson situation, it should play out for an interesting build up.

Rashad getting booed by pretty much everyone last night when they put the camera on him was hilarious

I didn't need the fightmetric stats to see that Schaub would of took the decision if it went the distance,anyone that's not swinging from cro-cop nuts or who has a dislike towards Schaub could see it,the stats just happened to conveniently back up exactly as I called it when I checked.

I personally still don't rate Schaub,I think he'll get his ass handed to him if he steps up against one of the top UFC HW's but he was a damn site better on the night than that shell of a fighter,cro-cop.

also from fightmetrics,about the stats.

Not all strikes are created equal

Power matters a great deal. Even a total head strike count means nothing unless you know how many of those strikes were landed with power.

So I took the 12 from 16 to mean significant power strikes and the 22 from 26 to be total strikes.