THE ARMBAR

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

The Armbar is a virtual meeting ground for all MMA fans to log on, read up and discuss all the latest MMA news


+6
kavik2
Anfields5thKing
rudeboyben84
The_Axe_Emperor
the_king
payneNglory1
10 posters

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    payneNglory1
    payneNglory1
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 4621
    Join date : 2009-08-29
    Age : 46
    Location : North Carolina

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  payneNglory1 Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:18 pm

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Gyi0060958881

    If Brock Lesnar wins next weekend against rising star Cain Velasquez, he will become the most successful heavyweight champion in UFC history. That says less about Lesnar, who is beyond dispute a beast of a man with the potential to be among the greats, and more about the sad, small history of the UFC's heavyweight champions over the years.

    Since Mark Coleman was crowned champion back at UFC 12, nine of the men who held gold failed to successfully defend their prize a single time. Six others were able to defend the belt just one time. Only two other men, Randy Couture and Tim Sylvia, dispatched a pair of challengers during a single title reign before falling victim to the next big thing.

    Lesnar, if you remove the morass and the confusion surrounding the UFC's bizarre decision to create an interim title everytime the champion gets a head cold, has successfully defended the title he won from Randy Couture twice. His battle with Cain Velasquez will be his third title defense. A win separates Lesnar from the pack and makes him the greatest champion the division has ever known -inside the hallowed confines of the Octagon.

    For much of the sport's brief history, however, the top fighters have plied their trade elsewhere. The great migration began when tournament champion Mark Kerr risked the wrath of the courts system to do battle in the rings of Pride. Following Kerr's lead, and the money, for years the top heavyweights on the planet called Japan home. From Kerr, to a resurgent Coleman, to a new generation of amazing fighters like Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Heath Herring, and Fedor Emelianenko, Pride heavyweights were the top guys in the division.

    With a win over Velasquez, Lesnar will become the UFC's top heavyweight ever. A subsequent win over Junior dos Santos might open up further discussion - by the end of 2011 we might be calling Brock Lesnar not just the top UFC heavyweight of all time, but the top heavyweight. Period. Twisted Evil
    avatar
    the_king
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 1821
    Join date : 2009-10-09
    Age : 39
    Location : newcastle

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  the_king Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:23 pm

    there is no denying that brock is a hell of an athlete. mma has moved on alot since ufc 12 too so it gives him even more cred.
    The_Axe_Emperor
    The_Axe_Emperor
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 2071
    Join date : 2010-04-29
    Age : 30
    Location : Northamptonshire

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:28 pm

    payneNglory1 wrote: That says less about Lesnar, and more about the sad, small history of the UFC's heavyweight champions over the years.



    That sums this article up.


    I honestly don't think Brock is any different to the prime Mark Coleman of our time.
    rudeboyben84
    rudeboyben84
    Light Heavyweight
    Light Heavyweight


    Posts : 6040
    Join date : 2009-08-14
    Age : 40
    Location : Belfast

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  rudeboyben84 Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:36 am

    Great artlicle up untill that last sentince. Best ever after 6 wins and a loss Rolling Eyes

    Seriously though I was undecided who I wanted to win, I love watching both of them but im sort of hoping for lesnar to actuall see someone become the 1st dominant Hw in UFC.

    Randy
    Mir
    Carwin
    Cain

    Is a great set of wins if he pulls it off. Im a Brock fan, I take the piss out of him turtling up when Carwin hit him and I dont think he is as skilled as most of the other top athletes in MMA yet but I enjoy watching him cause he is such a one off guy Im thinking the strength vs Chin ratio will see him Pound Cain out on the ground inside 2 rounds.

    Lesnar actuall does have a chance at becoming a great, 4 big wins isnt enough for me because 2 over Nog and 2 over Coleman alone put Fedor head and shoulders above Lesnar not to mention his record against UFC champs 7-0.

    Lesnar really needs to get though JDS who I think is the biggest threat to him. Someone who can punch his head in standing and BJJ is a better tool to have against Lesnar than Wrestling cause the guy is putting you on your back.

    Just about to watch the Primetime 2nd episode now. Apparently Lesnar and Pat Barry have been traininig togeather! Maby he will shock everyone and stand with Cain?....
    rudeboyben84
    rudeboyben84
    Light Heavyweight
    Light Heavyweight


    Posts : 6040
    Join date : 2009-08-14
    Age : 40
    Location : Belfast

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  rudeboyben84 Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:46 am




    I guess Lesnar isnt walking around close to 265lbs like he was coming into the Carwin fight. There was talk he dropped a good bit of weight for that, He looks a lot thicker when it cuts to clips of him in the gym to him walking into the cage with Carwin.

    Dude is a monster and he might shit himself when he gets hit but he ate that Carwin elbow, Cain is going to have a hard job stopping Brock inside the distance.

    Any Cain fans think he will finish....

    Anfield I reckon!
    The_Axe_Emperor
    The_Axe_Emperor
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 2071
    Join date : 2010-04-29
    Age : 30
    Location : Northamptonshire

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:56 am

    I don't see how Cain can finish Brock.

    Brock's been hit by the hardest hitter in MMA and survived, and he's hung with the best Heavyweight sub artist with no problems at all (I'm referring to his second fight when he'd improved, of course)
    Anfields5thKing
    Anfields5thKing
    Light Heavyweight
    Light Heavyweight


    Posts : 6519
    Join date : 2009-08-15

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  Anfields5thKing Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:31 am

    Carwin touched Lesnar, he never hit him. Cain hits harder than the hardest Carwin shot that landed on Lesnar(lunging left handed uppercut that barely caught him).

    Cain will stop him late, 4th or 5th round. Vastly superior striking, vastly superior cardio, much smarter, much better camp/corner, easily good enough to stop Lesnar's takedowns and if he is taken down get back up again, tough enough to take half of Lesnar's shots, quick enough to avoid the other half. Cain's just a better fighter. And he's rounded. Lesnar is a wrestler with nothing else. He's got one of the world's greatest grappling coaches acting as his striking coach for fuck sake! Why hire Paulson if he's not going to be your head trainer?? His gym is nothing more than wrestling mats and weights.

    Oh and best HW sub artist? Lesnar has not fought Fedor. Or Nog.
    rudeboyben84
    rudeboyben84
    Light Heavyweight
    Light Heavyweight


    Posts : 6040
    Join date : 2009-08-14
    Age : 40
    Location : Belfast

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  rudeboyben84 Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:43 am

    Worries me that we never see Lesnar spar much. I wonder if Barry and him ever have hard Kickboxing matches with head gear etc..

    Lesnars biggest downfall would be lack of sparring and Ive a feeling his Training camps arent all about that. Sparing makes you better at standup and clearly as it stands Cain is in a different league all togeather.

    I think you underestimate the Power of Lesnar vs the Toughness of cain and Vice Versa though. The only reason im backing Lesnar to win is that his chin did hold up to a monsterous Elbow from Carwin that would have put 90% of guys to sleep. Cain throws fast and crisp but he doesnt look to pack a punch at times and that because of his size. Against Ben Rothwell his power wasnt there for example.

    If Cain is going to win I think its because Brock hasnt Sparred enough and shits his pants again when he gets punched in the face and Cain doesnt let up with the GnP. Its not that I see Lesnar getting rocked but look at the Carwin fight here

    http://www.listentothis.org/images/lesnarcarwin.gif


    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Lesnarcarwin

    He just lies down to avoid being hit? scratch

    Thats the only way he looses I say and I hope he has sparred a lot and gotten used to being punched.
    The_Axe_Emperor
    The_Axe_Emperor
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 2071
    Join date : 2010-04-29
    Age : 30
    Location : Northamptonshire

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:50 am

    Anfields5thKing wrote:

    Oh and best HW sub artist? Lesnar has not fought Fedor. Or Nog.



    I meant "one of the best", again, fuck off with your correcting me! lol!


    Carwin did not just touch Lesnar at all, now you're just devaluing the shots Brock took in that fight to make your point more valid. Brock got hit and got scared, Cain got hit and got DROPPED, repeatedly! As long as Brock keeps calm when Cain lands on him (which he will, albeit with less power than Carwin) the fight will be his to lose.
    avatar
    the_king
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 1821
    Join date : 2009-10-09
    Age : 39
    Location : newcastle

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  the_king Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:00 am

    im sick of people saying lesnar ran away and hid. if thats what it takes to win a fight then fair play to him, its a stratagy he ran hid and won.
    The_Axe_Emperor
    The_Axe_Emperor
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 2071
    Join date : 2010-04-29
    Age : 30
    Location : Northamptonshire

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:24 am

    the_king wrote:im sick of people saying lesnar ran away and hid. if thats what it takes to win a fight then fair play to him, its a stratagy he ran hid and won.


    But the thing is, he did run away and hide, and that isn't going to work against everyone he fights. But then again, the counterargument to that is that he only did that against the hardest hitter in the sport. He was hit clean by Randy and Mir too and didn't leg it, so maybe it was a one off.


    Its a mental problem other than a physical one though, so as long as he spars hard he should get over it.
    avatar
    the_king
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 1821
    Join date : 2009-10-09
    Age : 39
    Location : newcastle

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  the_king Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:29 am

    the point i was trying to make was like you say hit by the hardest hitter so his instinct come into play, its not brocks fault carwin gassed and played brocks game. carwin is the only person he went down under and if im not mistaken carwin put all his former opponents under and finished within a round.

    brock even said all he has to do is survive 1 rnd.
    The_Axe_Emperor
    The_Axe_Emperor
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 2071
    Join date : 2010-04-29
    Age : 30
    Location : Northamptonshire

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:39 am

    Yea i agree, but i was simply pointing out why others (Anfield) always like to bring up the fact he ran away in a fight.
    avatar
    the_king
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 1821
    Join date : 2009-10-09
    Age : 39
    Location : newcastle

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  the_king Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:49 am

    its only peoples opinion mate brock did what he had to to win end of.
    The_Axe_Emperor
    The_Axe_Emperor
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 2071
    Join date : 2010-04-29
    Age : 30
    Location : Northamptonshire

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:50 am

    But its obvious it won't work against everyone. Some say he got lucky in this fight for example.
    avatar
    the_king
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 1821
    Join date : 2009-10-09
    Age : 39
    Location : newcastle

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  the_king Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:53 am

    and i say its carwins fault he could have backed away and forced brock to stand but he didnt.
    The_Axe_Emperor
    The_Axe_Emperor
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 2071
    Join date : 2010-04-29
    Age : 30
    Location : Northamptonshire

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:21 am

    avatar
    kavik2
    Featherweight
    Featherweight


    Posts : 247
    Join date : 2009-11-14

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  kavik2 Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:33 pm

    Does anyone know the odds for Brock vs cain??
    payneNglory1
    payneNglory1
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 4621
    Join date : 2009-08-29
    Age : 46
    Location : North Carolina

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  payneNglory1 Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:49 pm

    •Lesnar (-155)
    •Velasquez (+125)

    •Shields (-295)
    •Kampmann (+235)

    •Ortiz (+130)
    •Hamill (-160)

    •Sanchez (-110)
    •Thiago (-120)

    •Schaub (+175)
    •Gonzaga (-215)

    •Cote (-165)
    •Lawlor (+135)

    •Stout (-155)
    •Taylor (even)
    avatar
    kavik2
    Featherweight
    Featherweight


    Posts : 247
    Join date : 2009-11-14

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  kavik2 Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:54 pm

    Thanks for that, I am too old too understand them in that format, what happened to 6/4 and 3/1. If I put £50.00 on Cain, and he wins, how much would I get back????
    payneNglory1
    payneNglory1
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 4621
    Join date : 2009-08-29
    Age : 46
    Location : North Carolina

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  payneNglory1 Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:13 pm

    •Lesnar roughly 2/3,so $50 bet gets you $83.33 back
    •Velasquez 5/4,$50 gets you $112.50

    rudeboyben84
    rudeboyben84
    Light Heavyweight
    Light Heavyweight


    Posts : 6040
    Join date : 2009-08-14
    Age : 40
    Location : Belfast

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  rudeboyben84 Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:21 pm

    payneNglory1 wrote:•Lesnar (-155)
    •Velasquez (+125)

    •Shields (-295)
    •Kampmann (+235)

    •Ortiz (+130)
    •Hamill (-160)

    •Sanchez (-110)
    •Thiago (-120)

    •Schaub (+175)
    •Gonzaga (-215)

    •Cote (-165)
    •Lawlor (+135)

    •Stout (-155)
    •Taylor (even)


    Where are these odds from Im going to put some serious money on Gonzaga and Tito at those odds!
    payneNglory1
    payneNglory1
    Middleweight
    Middleweight


    Posts : 4621
    Join date : 2009-08-29
    Age : 46
    Location : North Carolina

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  payneNglory1 Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:49 pm

    sportsbook.com

    you can see sportsbook.com and Betus.com odds here

    http://www.mmabettingblog.com/2010/09/28/ufc-121-brock-lesnar-vs-cain-velasquez-odds/

    But the fights you are talking about,Bodog are offering even better odds

    hammill -170
    Tito +140

    Gonzaga -205
    Schaub +165



    http://sports.bodog.com/sports-betting/mixed-martial-arts.jsp
    Anfields5thKing
    Anfields5thKing
    Light Heavyweight
    Light Heavyweight


    Posts : 6519
    Join date : 2009-08-15

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  Anfields5thKing Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:42 pm

    The_Axe_Emperor wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:

    Oh and best HW sub artist? Lesnar has not fought Fedor. Or Nog.



    I meant "one of the best", again, fuck off with your correcting me! lol!


    Carwin did not just touch Lesnar at all, now you're just devaluing the shots Brock took in that fight to make your point more valid. Brock got hit and got scared, Cain got hit and got DROPPED, repeatedly! As long as Brock keeps calm when Cain lands on him (which he will, albeit with less power than Carwin) the fight will be his to lose.

    Cain was never dropped. EVER. He got rocked, but he never hit the ground. His knees buckled and he immediately went for the takedown. never dropped in his career though.

    And it was a glancing blow with his weak hand, and it was a looping uppercut.
    Anfields5thKing
    Anfields5thKing
    Light Heavyweight
    Light Heavyweight


    Posts : 6519
    Join date : 2009-08-15

    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  Anfields5thKing Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:45 pm

    the_king wrote:im sick of people saying lesnar ran away and hid. if thats what it takes to win a fight then fair play to him, its a stratagy he ran hid and won.

    It's not a strategy at all. Stop crying because your boy is a coward. He got his ass kicked, and Carwin got tired. He won due to Carwin's shortcomings, no other reason.

    Sponsored content


    Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain???? Empty Re: Brock becomes the Greatest UFC HW Champ ever if he beats Cain????

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu May 02, 2024 6:29 am