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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:02 pm

    Heavyweight: 206-265Lbs
    1. Fabricio Werdum
    2. Cain Velasquez
    3. Junior Dos Santos
    4. Brock Lesnar
    5. Antonio Silva
    6. Fedor Emelianenko
    7. Shane Carwin
    8. Frank Mir
    9. Alistair Overeem
    10. Antonio Nogueira
    11. Josh Barnett
    12. Jeff Monson
    13. Brendan Schaub
    14. Sergei Kharitonov
    15. Travis Browne

    Just Missded out: Roy Nelson, Brett Rogers, Cole Konrad, Daniel Cormier, Cheick Kongo, Shane Del Rosario, Ben Rothwell, Ricco Rodriguez, Mike Russow, Rob Broughton,
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    Light heavyweight: 186-205lbs
    1. Jon Jones
    2. Shogun Rua
    3. Rashad Evans
    4. Quinton Jackson
    5. Lyoto Machida
    6. Dan Henderson
    7. Ryan Bader
    8. Forrest Griffin
    9. Phil Davis
    10. Gegard Mousasi
    11. Antônio Rogério Nogueira
    12. Rafael Cavalcante
    13. Rich Franklin
    14. King Mo
    15. Vladimir Matyushenko

    Just midded out: Matt Hamill, Thiago Silva, Renato "Babalu" Sobral, Glover Teixeira, Ryan Jimmo, Stanislav Nedkov, Roger Gracie, Mike Kyle, Alexander Gustafsson, Christian M'Pumbu
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    Middleweight: 171-185lbs
    1. Anderson Silva
    2. Chael Sonnen
    3. Yushin Okami
    4. Ronaldo Souza
    5. Damien Maia
    6. Nate Marquadt
    7. Vitor Belfort
    8. Hector Lombard
    9. Brian Stann
    10. Michael Bisping
    11. Jorge Santiago
    12. Wanderlei Silva
    13. Mamed Khalidov
    14. Rousimar Palhares
    15. Jason Miller

    Just missed out: Robbie Lawler, Alan Belcher, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Tim Kennedy, Kazuo Misaki, Thales Leites, Mark Munoz, Chris Leben, Kyle Noke, Alexander Shlemenko
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    Welterweight: 156-170lbs
    1. George St. Pierre
    2. John Fitch
    3. Nick Diaz
    4. Jake Shields
    5. BJ Penn
    6. Josh Koscheck
    7. Carlos Condit
    8. Rick Story
    9. Thiago Alves
    10. Paul Daley
    11. Diego Sanchez
    12. Martin Kampmann
    13. Jay Hieron
    14. Jake Ellenberger
    15. Mike Pyle

    Just missed out: Anthony Johnson, Ben Askren, Matt Hughes, John Hathaway, Kim Dong-hyun, Paulo Thiago, Johny Hendricks, Brian Ebersole, Chris Lytle, Rory MacDonald
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    Lightweight: 146-155lbs
    1. Frankie Edgar
    2. Gilbert Melendez
    3. Gray Maynard
    4. Shinya Aoki
    5. Eddie Alvarez
    6. Jim Miller
    7. Tatsuya Kawajiri
    8. Anthony Pettis
    9. Dennis Siver
    10. George Sotiropoulos
    11. Josh Thomson
    12. Ben Henderson
    13. Clay Guida
    14. Melvin Guilard
    15. Gleison Tibau

    Just missed out: Evan Dunham, Ross Pearson, Takanori Gomi, Donald Cerrone, Katsunori Kikuno, Satoru Kitaoka, Shane Roller, Matt Wiman, Pat Healy, Michael Chandler
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    Featherweight: 136-145lbs
    1. Jose Aldo
    2. Hatsu Hioki
    3. Diego Nunes
    4. Kenny Florian
    5. Chad Mendes
    6. Joe Warren
    7. Marlon Sandro
    8. Bibiano Fernandes
    9. Manvel Gamburyan
    10. Michihiro Omigawa
    11. Patricio Freire
    12. Mark Hominick
    13. Joe Soto
    14. Dustin Poirier
    15. Joachim Hansen

    Just Missed out: Robert Peralta, Hiroyuki Takaya, Josh Grispi, Erik Koch, Mitsuhiro Ishida, Rani Yahya, Mike Thomas Brown, Kazuyuki Miyata, Din Thomas, Daniel Straus
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    Bantamweight(126-135lbs):
    1. Dominick Cruz
    2. Joseph Benavidez
    3. Brian Bowles
    4. Urijah Faber
    5. Demetrious Johnson
    6. Miguel Torres
    7. Scott Jorgensen
    8. Masakazu Imanari
    9. Eddie Wineland
    10. Takeya Mizugaki
    11. Damacio Page
    12. Michael McDonald
    13. Hiroshi Nakamura
    14. Renan Barao
    15. Wagnney Fabiano

    Just missed out: Brad Pickett, Masakatsu Ueda, Antonio Banuelos, Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto, Charlie Valencia, Cole Escovedo, Koetsu Okazaki, Zach Makovsky, Chase Beebe, Yoshiro Maeda



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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:34 pm

    I agree with everything except for the WW rankings. I think Kampmann is definitley ahead of Swick who has two losses in a row and probably just ahead of Zaromskis as well.

    Also on the missed out list, if you have Mach, Davis, Riggs and Howard I think you should consider some others. Sanchez for one is going back to WW, Nate Diaz possibly and I would consider putting Ellenberger. Also Stun Gun, Rumble, Sadollah and even The Immortal Matt Brown. I think all those are better positioned than Howard and Mach and possibly the other two as well.

    How does the missed out system work? Is there an order that you put them in? For Example if:

    14. Antonio Silva
    15. Mirko Crocop

    Just Missded out, Roy Nelson, Josh Barnett, Jeff Monson

    Does it mean Nelson, Barnett and Monson are 16, 17 and 18? Are they the closest guys to get into the top 15 or do you put them in any order?
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    Post  redmeanie77 Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:46 pm

    Why is Crocop no.15? Suspect scratch
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:53 pm

    There is no one else you can really put, Nelson lost two in a row before beating Schaub (contrevesially or not) and hasn't beaten anyone that good in his career.

    Barnett's down for roiding and inactivity, if he fights and wins he will probably go back into the top 15.

    The closest guy I think is Struve for winning three in a row and staying active as well. Overoid's biggest win in the last 3 years was Buentello so Struve could potentiolly get into the top 15.

    I think Cro Cop will murder Rothwell anyway so it won't matter.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:22 pm

    Chelsea your right mate Ive missed a load of guys from the Just missed out list!! The guys closer to the list arent always 16, 17, 18..... I havnt really bothered organising the Just missed out list. Maby the ones closer are higher in sore ocasions because they were only recently dropped or were the 1st ones that came to mind when making the list.

    I apprciate the feedback as always, Id be happy to relace Swick and Kampmann as were still before UFC 110 so Its not changing Set rankings, Swick is literally coming off a loss. I dont think Kampmann over Whitemare, Whitemare lost to one of the devisions best and is Dream Champ.... Well see if anyone else agrees Kampmann over Swick and ill change it for sure.

    Red why not Crocop top 15? I mean as Chelsea said who else diserves a spot? If he beats Rothwell he will prove he diserves it which I think he will.... I might Switch him for Monson, but They are both fighting my next week so we will wait to see the outcomes.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:25 pm

    Chelsea ive added the Just missed out guys, Ill hold fire on Rankings Diaz and Sanchez till they fight.
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    Post  redmeanie77 Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:30 pm

    I thought the rankings were done based on last 5 or 6 fights.

    Lose to JDS
    Eye pokes Al-Turk
    Overeem NC : We all know who was winning that one
    Lose to Kongo
    Lose to Gonzaga
    Beat Eddie Sanchez
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:31 pm

    Happy to help mate.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:34 pm

    Cro Cop's last 5 fights:

    Loss to JDS
    Win over Al-Turk
    Win over Hong Man-Choi
    NC to Overoid
    Win over Mizuno

    Thats not bad when you consider where JDS is in the rankings and Overoid crushed his balls.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:36 pm

    Yeah but when he came to UFC he was ranked top 5 no question, I think top 3 in most places. He had just kicked seven shades of shit out of Barnett and Wanderlei.

    So A win over Eddie Sanchez had him sitting in 3rd place...

    A Loss to Gonzaga... Down to were... 8th? Pretty Big drop though since he got Sparked fair enough (Couture doesnt take the same Drop when he looses Id point out though)

    Anyway a loss to Kongo left him out of the top 10. Maby as low as around the 12th/13th Mark. Still 2 figths and a top 3 guys isnt top 10? I remember Chuck and Wanderlei holding their top 10 positions for much longer after losses.

    Anywau going into the Mizuno he is 13th lets say, a Brutal win like that maby moves him to 11th or 12th... The NC with Overeem didnt matter, he was low blowed repeatedly, should have been a DQ, but yeah he was loosing.

    A win over Choi and maby he was 10th, a win over Al Turk and he was Deffinatley at 10th again.

    A loss to top Ranked JDS and he drops 5 places or so again.... Seems fair to me.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:01 pm

    Looking at it no HW from 10-15 is actually secure, a couple of events and it could all change.

    10.Rogers
    11.Arvloski
    12.Gonzaga
    13.Aleks
    14.Silva
    15.Cro Cop

    It doesn't right to me for some reason.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:18 pm

    I changed Kampmann over Swick...

    Its hard to Judge the Lower ranked heavys who havnt fought each other. Those were the 5 I think that most Diserved a spot.

    Aleks is unbeaten in 6 finishing all opponents in the 1st round

    BigFoot was close to top 10 and had a close fight with Werdum who is top 10

    Arlovski was number 2 in the world at one point (Dont think he really diserved it though) but he was talked about to fight Barnett insted of Fedor even , he diserves a top 15 spot after only 2 losses

    Crocop as already stated...

    Gonzaga because he like Bigfoot could have beat Werdum, he beat Crocop. Justin McCully and Josh Hendricks only lased a minute with him, he dropped Carwin, he beat Tuchscherer... thinking about if Maby Gonzaga could be lower! But sure he fights JDS next month lets wait to see how he looks.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:27 pm

    Crocop was ranked #2 when he joined the UFC and everyone was expecting him to clean house with ease!!

    he lost badly to Gonzaga.

    The Kongo and Overeem fights were disgraceful displays of testicle terrorism. (he has sorted this problem out now, look at my av!)

    He gave JDS by far his toughest fight of all his ufc opponents (all of whom are on the top 15 or JMO lists btw).

    ^those were all bad performances which would see him drop out of the top 15 if he didnt have 3 dominating first round ko victories inbetween! cheers
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:54 pm

    Well said mate, Id have him higher than 15 based on his record if he didnt look so gutless in his losses. Not Sparring can do that to a man I suppose. I think we will see another 1st round KO over Rothwell... I think Crocop will look a lot better than his recent performances.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:45 pm

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Good job Cro Cop, excellent balls protection.

    If Cro Cop wins, I think he will move up quite high, Rogers, Silva, and Aleks have not beaten enough top quality opponents and I don't know whats going on with the Arvloski.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:45 pm

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Good job Cro Cop, excellent balls protection.

    If Cro Cop wins, I think he will move up quite high, Rogers, Silva, and Aleks have not beaten enough top quality opponents and I don't know whats going on with the Arvloski.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:40 pm

    If Wanderlei wins were do people see him fitting into the 185lbs rankings? Just wondering from an objective point of view? I reckon Ill probabally hugely over rate him if he wins! Before we removed him from the 205lbs rankings he has just slipped out of the top 10 at Lhw... he would still be top 15 if he was in the devision, I reckon about 11th just behind Rich is fair...

    So at Mw, Possible a weaker devision? At 185 if he won would 11th been fair? Between Jacare and Khalidov? I think he could be as high as 8th or 9th based on Franklin being a top 4 before he left the 185lbs rankings and him giving him a 50/50 fight? That might be unfair to established 185ers so Id love to hear what people think?

    I know its a bit premature! He is yet to win this weekend but what

    1. Anderson Silva
    2. Dan Henderson
    3. Vitor Belfort
    4. Jake Shields
    5. Chael Sonnen
    6. Nate Marquadt
    7. Damien Maia
    8. Paulo Filho
    9. Robbie Lawler
    10. Ronaldo Souza
    11. Mamed Khalidov
    12. Yoshihiro Akiyama
    13. Hector Lombard
    14. Yushin Okami
    15. Jorge Santiago

    Just missed out: Rousimar Palhares, Michael Bisping, Patrick Cote, Alan Belcher, Cung Le, Kazuo Misaki, Scott Smith, Aaron Simpson, Wanderlei Silva, Jason Miller, Minowaman.
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    Post  payneNglory1 Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:04 pm

    I'd say if he destroys or wins a very one sided match against Bisping then he should come in at about #10-11,if its a close decision win then #13-14,I'd say the exact same ranking wise for Bisping if he wins.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:46 am

    Yeah sounds fair to me, has quite a bit to go to get back up the rankings then! A shot at the title is a long way off! I really hope we see him vs Akiyama I think it will make a great matchup...
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:38 am

    Yeah i think Payne is spot on, depends on the performance. A KO win in a dominant performance and he's 11th. A close fight followed by a KO 13th or so. A decision win perhaps 15th.
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    Post  George_Louis_Costanza@who Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:25 pm

    What are you on about Bisping is a Top 5 MW he beat Day, Kang and that other guy who was on TUF who likes to drink Bisping is already Top 10 at least. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  payneNglory1 Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:51 am

    1,Fedor
    2,Brock
    3,Mir
    4,Cain
    5,Nog
    6 JDS

    and Wandi in at 14,Bader at 15 and George Sotiropoulos on the just missed out list,I would say after last nights fights.

    was really impressed with George.
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    Post  hendos_right_hook Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:50 pm

    Would we have Carwin in at 3 and move everybody down one if he wins? I'd like to see him higher than JDS at the moment.
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    Post  redmeanie77 Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:55 pm

    payneNglory1 wrote:1,Fedor
    2,Brock
    3,Mir
    4,Cain
    5,Nog
    6 JDS

    and Wandi in at 14,Bader at 15 and George Sotiropoulos on the just missed out list,I would say after last nights fights.

    was really impressed with George.



    You could make the case that Nog goes below JDS aswell. I think Sotiropoulos could go into no.15
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:01 pm

    There's no case for Nog below JDS. JDS hasn't beaten anyone to deserve to be higher.

    George Sotiropoulos is definitely in the rankings now. 11th or 12th.

    Wandi wasn't impressive so 15th for him

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