UFC Live review

Cruz vs Mightmouse just showed how crazily rounded Cruz is, he has dished out Flying attacks, Sub attempts, Judo throws, German suplxes, skipping leg kicks, the guy is probabally the most well rounded of the UFC champs, amazing showing. Mightymouse to 125 no matter what he said in postfight interview. I wish Bibiano Fernandes was in UFC he would give Cruz a hell of a fight.

Struve vs Barry : Barry is too small and hasnt a groundgame, as fun as he has been I dont know if UFC will keep him. He has always put on an entertaining fight, the powerbomb in that one made up for the slower pace but ability wise Crocop chokes him out after all! He needs to just go and grapple for a year and try and bring himself up to speed. If Struve can keep people away from his chin and bulk up so he cuts to 265 I think he can be a good Heavy.

Rumbles size was too much for Brenneman, the guy is a monster and packs KO power because of that bulk, I want to see him fight Thiago Alves.. dont fancy him to win that but it would be nice to see someone not at a real size or power disadvantage to see how it would play out.

Glad Wyman got his revenge one Danzig! I thought FOTN could have gone to Roller vs Grant! That was an epic (even with the fucking awfull stoppage, For me it was worse than the Rumble/Brenneman stoppage)

Yves Edwards KO was amazing too! The man has always been dangerous, probabally always will be till his dieing day! I think throw him in with George Sot. See is george has got any better at dealing with such a dangerous striker.

Easton looks one to watch at 135 one serious physical young guy at a good camp.

Sass' sub skills are off the chart, he went after that leg like Sakuraba back in the day, there are a few cracking fighters at his gym, training with Etim has got to keep those Sub skills seriously sharp, he is clearly a 1 trick pony, the striking doesnt look top level but it seems to be working for him. If he is ever going to win a title I reckon that standup needs a little sharpening, like Maia had to do.

Josh neer is a legend, so gald to see him back, what a violent scrap! I wonder if he would move back to 155 though.

I thought the Roller stoppage was bad but i had zero problems with the Rumble stoppage,yes Brennaman seemed to have his wits about him straight away,when he was flat on his back raising his hands at the stoppage,but the guy had just been on wobbly legs before the kick and if i was the ref and saw a guy who's already wobbling,take a huge flush kick square on the jaw and drop like that,I'd of been straight in there stopping the fight.

Cruz is going to be a really hard puzzle to solve for anyone,he's a very smart fighter who's got a seriously strong game in every area of a fight.

I've never as many elbows thrown in two fights than the Neer and Wiman fights! Was awesome! lol, I was impressed by all the winners on the main card.

Sass was also very impressive, with an improvement in his stand-up ,like Ben said, he could be a force.

payneNglory1 wrote: i had zero problems with the Rumble stoppage,yes Brennaman seemed to have his wits about him straight away,when he was flat on his back raising his hands at the stoppage,but the guy had just been on wobbly legs before the kick and if i was the ref and saw a guy who's already wobbling,take a huge flush kick square on the jaw and drop like that,I'd of been straight in there stopping

Could not agree more he wasn't out but he looked like bambi on ice prior to the final headkick. I was over the moon with my trumpage. Rumble is a beast at 170. Dunno who's next for him, I'd like an all out war with Alves or Kampmann

Rumbles stoppage was forgivable like you say but a Sub being stopped before it is sunk in should send Marios brother back to judging school. With 2 hands clasped there wasnt a danger of injury either, real bad call but Roller said he felt beat, real sound thing to say because 9/10 fighters would have gone nuts, Palhares would have probabally launched at the ref!

Neer/Rogan was a laugh about the broken ribs! I wonder if he will move back to 155, was he having a hard time making the weight? I think he will be a little undersized to make it at 170 but at 155 I reckon he could mix it up with a lot of the guys considered contenders.

Decent card pretty enjoyable top to bottom.

Hate to sound a dick but Brennerman proved last night the Story win was a fluke he was completely out classed by Rumble.

Jones is massive compared to Struve! A Heavy by the time he is 27 I reckon.

Anfield you say he hasnt been tested because Shogun was off form and other things but compare him to Cain

Rampage - Lesnar
Shogun - Nog
Bader - Rothwell
Vlad - Kongo
Vera - Stonjic
Hamill - Morris
Bonnar - Constant
Gusmao - Fujarczyk

Plus Jones has 6 other wins, all stoppages, 5 of which in the 1st

So Bones last 9 opponents were tougher on a whole, you can use the Shogun was off form excuse with Nog put up less of a fight.

They are more or less on the same level, if not Jones slightly higher. There really has onle been 1 moment to fault Cain on when he got rocked but Kongo but Jones hasnt ever been in trouble.

Roller seem a good guy,but the stoppage was BS,there needs to be more clarification about the verbal tap out,surely like tennis,some athletes grunt and groan loader than others,it seems abit of a weird ruling to stop a fight.
I think you should have to say tap,tap,tap or some kind of actual verbal wording,just an arghhh can be misinterpreted,from someone in pain or someone using all there strength to defend or power out of something.

The Rogan/Neer interview was funny

Brennaman just did to Story,what Story did to Alves

Yet I think Alves>Story>Brennaman

Rumbles just too big,powerful and too experienced a wrestler to let a smaller guy wrestle fuck him.

Fernando Yamasaki explains his stoppage: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22825103/vp/44744693#44744693

is it just me or does anyone else find cruz a little uncompfortable to watch dont get me wrong he is awsome and does some cool stuff

dont ever see him stopping anyone, 135 seems to be the decison divission

rumble was on form nice to see him making weight alves next maybe

wiman fight was v close i thought wiman was a tad lucky

not seen undercard

ben you are right re jones and if you remember in jan on bbc 606 i said bones champ by end of this year every 1 doubted it but you did say he had an outside chance he did it by march and lucky unstopable at 205 i rekon 3 year then heavey weight

cain took them shots from kongo well look how he reacted both times didnt panick went back to his compfort zone clever if you ask me

axe cudnt agree more anfield can be blind in his love for fighters or hatred

I just had deja vu.

Sorry Sheldan, i didnt read comments above me.

Cruz maybe a points fighter, but I find him very fun to watch. He didn't give Mighty Mouse a chance. He won all 5 rounds for me and I'm not sure who's going to beat him.

Struve looked a lot bigger last night than previously. He needs to bulk up a little and protect that chin of his. He has a good future IMO, I just hope he doesn't get KOed too many times before he's 25. I wonder if Barry could make 205. He could be a killer in that division, provided he got some grappling experience.

It was a nice KO but Johnson is a coward IMO. He should be fighting at HW not with guys as big as his arms. The very least you can expect is for him to fight at 185.

Good to see Danzig lose again.

As for the prelims, I was happy to see wins Neer and Edwards, Sass's heel hook was sweet and what was up with the Roller stoppage?

rudeboyben84 wrote:

Jones is massive compared to Struve! A Heavy by the time he is 27 I reckon.

Anfield you say he hasnt been tested because Shogun was off form and other things but compare him to Cain

Rampage - Lesnar
Shogun - Nog
Bader - Rothwell
Vlad - Kongo
Vera - Stonjic
Hamill - Morris
Bonnar - Constant
Gusmao - Fujarczyk

Plus Jones has 6 other wins, all stoppages, 5 of which in the 1st

So Bones last 9 opponents were tougher on a whole, you can use the Shogun was off form excuse with Nog put up less of a fight.

They are more or less on the same level, if not Jones slightly higher. There really has onle been 1 moment to fault Cain on when he got rocked but Kongo but Jones hasnt ever been in trouble.

Shogun wasn't off form, he was out of shape.

You forget a couple of rather important things regarding Cain vs Bones. 1) Cain has not had massive size advantages and reach advantages over most of him opponents. He's given up a LOT of size to Kongo, Rothwell and Lesnar to name just three and 2) Nobody is hyping Cain anything like Bones is getting hyped.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Cruz maybe a points fighter, but I find him very fun to watch. He didn't give Mighty Mouse a chance. He won all 5 rounds for me and I'm not sure who's going to beat him.

Struve looked a lot bigger last night than previously. He needs to bulk up a little and protect that chin of his. He has a good future IMO, I just hope he doesn't get KOed too many times before he's 25. I wonder if Barry could make 205. He could be a killer in that division, provided he got some grappling experience.

It was a nice KO but Johnson is a coward IMO. He should be fighting at HW not with guys as big as his arms. The very least you can expect is for him to fight at 185.

Good to see Danzig lose again.

As for the prelims, I was happy to see wins Neer and Edwards, Sass's heel hook was sweet and what was up with the Roller stoppage?

Only one I can see beating him is Jose Aldo if he was willing to drop down to 135.

Barry's legs are prob 205 on their own! He'd need to lose a lot of muscle. I think Struve has talent but with that chin, he'll never be top 10.

Agree on Johnson. He should be at 185. In fairness, any good 170er will beat him.

It's always great to see Danzig lose, especially when he thinks he's won!

Anfields5thKing wrote:]Only one I can see beating him is Jose Aldo if he was willing to drop down to 135.!

Not a chance Aldo drops to 135 to fight Cruz, he can barely make 145. I think we'll see Aldo VS Cruz at 145 late next year though.

Aldo makes 145 with ease. He's only have trouble with it once and that was because he got a lot bigger than he normally does because he had such a long layoff. He usually walks around about 150-155. 135 is definitely doable if he does it right. When he was in the WEC there was talk of him dropping down and he was up for it. Cruz has said a few times he'll go to 145 so it will prob happen there. Either way, Cruz is getting legkicked to death.

Anfield reckon Aldo isnt moving down

Jose Aldo “Since I started training martial arts, back from my jiu-jitsu days, I’ve always been cutting a lot of weight. I feel comfortable doing it, and definitely being young, 25 years old, helps it a lot. I do feel like there might come a point when all that weight-cutting takes a toll on the body, and I hope that when I reach that point I’m mature enough to be able to figure out what I have to do. I’m going to have to move up in weight.”

I cant see him killing himself to make 135, on the other hand Cruz is a big ol 135er, he never seems weight drained so he could stay there for a while but if they do meet I reckon its at 145. Id love to see it too, Aldo dishes out so much more damage with his strikes but Cruz has wrestling on his side. Aldo IMO would slow him with Leg kicks, the Damage he dishes out more than cancell Cruz' wrestling.

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Yeah you know what I was just thinking that Cain is held in a much higher regard by the MMA fans I know than Bones is but if you think its the other way maby I just know a lot of Cain fans and people arent warming to Bones...

They will fight within 2-3 years anyway I say. Right now I think Cain is too strong, Bones needs to be 250ish to cope with Cain but id kill to see it. Cain wouldnt be shy to close the distance and exchange like others have at least.

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Barry to 205?? Yeah maby Mark Hunt will too!

Guys as young as Aldo and Bones will struggle with weight cut as there body continually develops. Unless they take really good care of there diet and not lift to much weights training.

rudeboyben84 wrote:Anfield reckon Aldo isnt moving down

Jose Aldo “Since I started training martial arts, back from my jiu-jitsu days, I’ve always been cutting a lot of weight. I feel comfortable doing it, and definitely being young, 25 years old, helps it a lot. I do feel like there might come a point when all that weight-cutting takes a toll on the body, and I hope that when I reach that point I’m mature enough to be able to figure out what I have to do. I’m going to have to move up in weight.”

I cant see him killing himself to make 135, on the other hand Cruz is a big ol 135er, he never seems weight drained so he could stay there for a while but if they do meet I reckon its at 145. Id love to see it too, Aldo dishes out so much more damage with his strikes but Cruz has wrestling on his side. Aldo IMO would slow him with Leg kicks, the Damage he dishes out more than cancell Cruz' wrestling.

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Yeah you know what I was just thinking that Cain is held in a much higher regard by the MMA fans I know than Bones is but if you think its the other way maby I just know a lot of Cain fans and people arent warming to Bones...

They will fight within 2-3 years anyway I say. Right now I think Cain is too strong, Bones needs to be 250ish to cope with Cain but id kill to see it. Cain wouldnt be shy to close the distance and exchange like others have at least.

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Barry to 205?? Yeah maby Mark Hunt will too!

Cain DESERVES to be held in the high regard he's in. Jones doesn't.

Cain's also not an arrogant dickhead, Jones is.

Got to agree anfield i like cain and wud argue his cause all day. Bones is a damn good fighter, but the guy is a complete tool. In build up to rampage fight he came across awful, as well as in post fught inteview, when talking in ring to rogan, whining about evans, u ruined my night twice now man. Bloody baby.

Anfields5thKing wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Cruz maybe a points fighter, but I find him very fun to watch. He didn't give Mighty Mouse a chance. He won all 5 rounds for me and I'm not sure who's going to beat him.

Struve looked a lot bigger last night than previously. He needs to bulk up a little and protect that chin of his. He has a good future IMO, I just hope he doesn't get KOed too many times before he's 25. I wonder if Barry could make 205. He could be a killer in that division, provided he got some grappling experience.

It was a nice KO but Johnson is a coward IMO. He should be fighting at HW not with guys as big as his arms. The very least you can expect is for him to fight at 185.

Good to see Danzig lose again.

As for the prelims, I was happy to see wins Neer and Edwards, Sass's heel hook was sweet and what was up with the Roller stoppage?

Only one I can see beating him is Jose Aldo if he was willing to drop down to 135.

Barry's legs are prob 205 on their own! He'd need to lose a lot of muscle. I think Struve has talent but with that chin, he'll never be top 10.

Agree on Johnson. He should be at 185. In fairness, any good 170er will beat him.

It's always great to see Danzig lose, especially when he thinks he's won!

A fight with Aldo is probably the most likely option, but at 145. Maybe after Aldo sends KenFlo to his deathbed. I think Cruz has a better chance than most to beat Aldo, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Nah thinking about it again that was a pretty stupid thing to say. Barry would need to "Irvin" himself to get to 205 and that might just kill him. Maybe a couple of fights with lower level competition are best for now.

As bad as Struve's chin is, he doesn't do a good job of covering it either. Remember against Buentello? Right now top 10 is a tough target for him, but with more training and experience you never know. I certainly rate him over the likes of Schaub though who everyone seems to rate.

Johnson is in never danger of being a serious contender at 170 (or anywhere) but seeing him KO guys have his size like Yoshida and Brennan is just embarrassing. I thought when he was younger he was just waiting to fully grow into his body but he's a full grown man now. So basically he's just scared of fighting anyone close to his own size.

Do you honestly expect "Pride veteran" and legend Mac Danzig to admit he lost a fight?

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Cruz maybe a points fighter, but I find him very fun to watch. He didn't give Mighty Mouse a chance. He won all 5 rounds for me and I'm not sure who's going to beat him.

Struve looked a lot bigger last night than previously. He needs to bulk up a little and protect that chin of his. He has a good future IMO, I just hope he doesn't get KOed too many times before he's 25. I wonder if Barry could make 205. He could be a killer in that division, provided he got some grappling experience.

It was a nice KO but Johnson is a coward IMO. He should be fighting at HW not with guys as big as his arms. The very least you can expect is for him to fight at 185.

Good to see Danzig lose again.

As for the prelims, I was happy to see wins Neer and Edwards, Sass's heel hook was sweet and what was up with the Roller stoppage?

Only one I can see beating him is Jose Aldo if he was willing to drop down to 135.

Barry's legs are prob 205 on their own! He'd need to lose a lot of muscle. I think Struve has talent but with that chin, he'll never be top 10.

Agree on Johnson. He should be at 185. In fairness, any good 170er will beat him.

It's always great to see Danzig lose, especially when he thinks he's won!

A fight with Aldo is probably the most likely option, but at 145. Maybe after Aldo sends KenFlo to his deathbed. I think Cruz has a better chance than most to beat Aldo, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Nah thinking about it again that was a pretty stupid thing to say. Barry would need to "Irvin" himself to get to 205 and that might just kill him. Maybe a couple of fights with lower level competition are best for now.

As bad as Struve's chin is, he doesn't do a good job of covering it either. Remember against Buentello? Right now top 10 is a tough target for him, but with more training and experience you never know. I certainly rate him over the likes of Schaub though who everyone seems to rate.

Johnson is in never danger of being a serious contender at 170 (or anywhere) but seeing him KO guys have his size like Yoshida and Brennan is just embarrassing. I thought when he was younger he was just waiting to fully grow into his body but he's a full grown man now. So basically he's just scared of fighting anyone close to his own size.

Do you honestly expect "Pride veteran" and legend Mac Danzig to admit he lost a fight?

I'd say Cruz is a pain in the arse to fight. He reminds me of Dick Eklund the boxer with that jerky style. I think Aldo beats him but I agree Cruz has a better chance than most. I'd give Cruz more of a chance than Edgar. Actually Edgar and Cruz would be an interesting fight. You know that's ending in a decision!

Barry should consider going back to kickboxing IMO. His groundgame is just appalling. How do you not improve on the ground in all this time??

Yeah he needs to learn to keep his hands tucked to his chin. He can leave his face exposed because nobody can reach it, but he needs to cover that chin. Definitely better than Schaub but Schaub has that KO power when he closes his eyes and swings.

I'd like to see Johnson fight Jon Fitch, just to see Fitch grind him for 3 rounds and make him look bad.

Anfields5thKing wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Cruz maybe a points fighter, but I find him very fun to watch. He didn't give Mighty Mouse a chance. He won all 5 rounds for me and I'm not sure who's going to beat him.

Struve looked a lot bigger last night than previously. He needs to bulk up a little and protect that chin of his. He has a good future IMO, I just hope he doesn't get KOed too many times before he's 25. I wonder if Barry could make 205. He could be a killer in that division, provided he got some grappling experience.

It was a nice KO but Johnson is a coward IMO. He should be fighting at HW not with guys as big as his arms. The very least you can expect is for him to fight at 185.

Good to see Danzig lose again.

As for the prelims, I was happy to see wins Neer and Edwards, Sass's heel hook was sweet and what was up with the Roller stoppage?

Only one I can see beating him is Jose Aldo if he was willing to drop down to 135.

Barry's legs are prob 205 on their own! He'd need to lose a lot of muscle. I think Struve has talent but with that chin, he'll never be top 10.

Agree on Johnson. He should be at 185. In fairness, any good 170er will beat him.

It's always great to see Danzig lose, especially when he thinks he's won!

A fight with Aldo is probably the most likely option, but at 145. Maybe after Aldo sends KenFlo to his deathbed. I think Cruz has a better chance than most to beat Aldo, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Nah thinking about it again that was a pretty stupid thing to say. Barry would need to "Irvin" himself to get to 205 and that might just kill him. Maybe a couple of fights with lower level competition are best for now.

As bad as Struve's chin is, he doesn't do a good job of covering it either. Remember against Buentello? Right now top 10 is a tough target for him, but with more training and experience you never know. I certainly rate him over the likes of Schaub though who everyone seems to rate.

Johnson is in never danger of being a serious contender at 170 (or anywhere) but seeing him KO guys have his size like Yoshida and Brennan is just embarrassing. I thought when he was younger he was just waiting to fully grow into his body but he's a full grown man now. So basically he's just scared of fighting anyone close to his own size.

Do you honestly expect "Pride veteran" and legend Mac Danzig to admit he lost a fight?

I'd say Cruz is a pain in the arse to fight. He reminds me of Dick Eklund the boxer with that jerky style. I think Aldo beats him but I agree Cruz has a better chance than most. I'd give Cruz more of a chance than Edgar. Actually Edgar and Cruz would be an interesting fight. You know that's ending in a decision!

Barry should consider going back to kickboxing IMO. His groundgame is just appalling. How do you not improve on the ground in all this time??

Yeah he needs to learn to keep his hands tucked to his chin. He can leave his face exposed because nobody can reach it, but he needs to cover that chin. Definitely better than Schaub but Schaub has that KO power when he closes his eyes and swings.

I'd like to see Johnson fight Jon Fitch, just to see Fitch grind him for 3 rounds and make him look bad.

Forgot about Edgar. He might actually end up as Aldo's next opponent. Bet you'd like to see that. Cruz's style is so awkward because he never stops moving. Like Clay Guida on coke.

Ye I think he's fun to watch but he's ground game is too comical for MMA. Mind you Gilbert Yvel has had over 50 fights in MMA and still looks like a fish out of water on the ground.


And more importantly not run across the ring like a retard and expose it. However as you say his height helps massivley, it stops his chin being a massive problem like it is to someone like Santiago. Struve might benefit by looking at Aoki's style. They are similar fighters.

Schaubs game plan for every fight. Swings as hard as he can and hopes for the best. If he's lucky he lands one of the thousand punches he throws.

Johnsons sub defense is awful, we might actually see Fitch finish a fight. Now that would be embarrassing!