Two questions following Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Silva

Pretty much self-explanatory.

I agree with Reem etc who said it could have gone to round 3...i mean look at GSP Koscheck!!

they should have cut it like Rocky.

I didnt vote on Arlovski because its not my place to say.

Arlovski should retire IMO because I dont want to see him talking like James Toney, he is a fantastic natural tallent but I dont want to see anyone slurring their speach because of the type of KO's he has been taking.

Fedor fight should have been stopped, He couldnt see out of the eye at all. I dont know if Kos could or not, there have been fighters with worse looking faces allowed to continue but if a fighers has only 1 functional eye its time to stop it. If you loose use of an eye your depth perception is gone and with that your ability to judge distances. Id have loved Fedor to continue and win but I think it was a fair call

The call was right I think, my heart says miraculous comeback, but Fedor was fucked, I think we all know that deep down.
Unless Arlovski can grow that beard into a huge pillow then yes he should.

Interesting, rather split results so far.

rudeboyben84 wrote:Arlovski should retire IMO because I dont want to see him talking like James Toney, he is a fantastic natural tallent but I dont want to see anyone slurring their speach because of the type of KO's he has been taking.

Fedor fight should have been stopped, He couldnt see out of the eye at all. I dont know if Kos could or not, there have been fighters with worse looking faces allowed to continue but if a fighers has only 1 functional eye its time to stop it. If you loose use of an eye your depth perception is gone and with that your ability to judge distances. Id have loved Fedor to continue and win but I think it was a fair call

100% agree. In fact I think they should probably both retire, albeit for different reasons. Arlovski for his health, when a chin goes that badly its for a reason and he could end up with long term damage.

With fedor, he should rightly be considered the greatest ever heavyweight, but it seems the sport has caught up with him. In boxing, individuals are sometimes afforded some protection in these situations, a good example being Holyfield. He can beat the Botha's and hang with the valuevs of this world but shouldnt be anywhere near the klitschos and hayes. In MMA, the top of the pyramid is very competetive and the only former "elite fighter" who I can think of having carved out a niche fighting lesser names is Severn. If fedor bows out now, he keeps his legacy totally intact and goes at the right time.

I really hope Arlovski does retire for his own safety and well being I did read an interesting article on Bloody Elbow on why Arlovski should never be medically cleared to fight by any Athletic Commission.

As for Fedor I sadly do believe It was the right decision I understand why some fans feelings are mixed maybe he could have made a miraculous come back and Stop Big Foot yet again he could have got battered and bruised for another Round and possibly stopped.

For me the most Important thing is no one in his corner including Fedor didn't object the decision that speaks volumes for me on why it was the right decision.

I dont think Fedor and his Russian orthadox priest corner-man are the type of guys to protest an official decision.

i wanted to see a miraculous fedor comeback but i feel at the risk of long term damage to his eye it was the right call.

Arlovski needs to stop, as others have said it's a clear case of the man needing to do the right thing for his health. He should take on Ken in a specially constructed glass octagon for a glass-jaw retirement fight. First one to get sparked out wins.

As for Fedor, he probably could have pulled out a win even with one eye if luck went his way, but rules are there for a reason and without them the sport really would be barbaric. He always said he doesn't dwell on wins or losses, only on his opinion of his own performance, and regardless of whether the fight continued he will go away knowing he fell short on this occasion.

AA's punch resistance (such as it was) is completely gone, I would much prefer to not see him take any further punishment.

With regards to Fedor, I've said many times, about many fighters, that I hate to see fighters carry on past their best. Remember seeing the great Mohammed Ali fight on way later than he should, and whilst you're not going to get the accumulative damage (in MMA) that you do in boxing, but my point remains. Fedor should retire, unless there is any underlying reason behind his performance against Silva (and NOT that ridiculous claim of hypnotism).

Back to the point though, the fight with Silva was stopped correctly, IMO. Fedor was getting completely owned in the fight and his eye was screwed, who knows what damage he would have taken, had the fight continued.

The only "underlying reason" for his loss was size.

He wasn't outsmarted, he wasn't outfought, he was simply outweighed.

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:The only "underlying reason" for his loss was size.

He wasn't outsmarted, he wasn't outfought, he was simply outweighed.

That may well be the case Axe, Fedor has been outweighed before and it hasn't had such an effect. I honestly think that old father time has caught up with Fedor, a career of being outweighed and being far superior to his opposition has had an effect. It's too late for a move to LHW, which is arguably where Fedor should have been right the way through his career.

Once Mohawked Pete wrote:

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:The only "underlying reason" for his loss was size.

He wasn't outsmarted, he wasn't outfought, he was simply outweighed.

That may well be the case Axe, Fedor has been outweighed before and it hasn't had such an effect. I honestly think that old father time has caught up with Fedor, a career of being outweighed and being far superior to his opposition has had an effect. It's too late for a move to LHW, which is arguably where Fedor should have been right the way through his career.

Amen to that! Old Father Time.....is a bastard!

Once Mohawked Pete wrote:AA's punch resistance (such as it was) is completely gone, I would much prefer to not see him take any further punishment.

With regards to Fedor, I've said many times, about many fighters, that I hate to see fighters carry on past their best. Remember seeing the great Mohammed Ali fight on way later than he should, and whilst you're not going to get the accumulative damage (in MMA) that you do in boxing, but my point remains. Fedor should retire, unless there is any underlying reason behind his performance against Silva (and NOT that ridiculous claim of hypnotism).

Back to the point though, the fight with Silva was stopped correctly, IMO. Fedor was getting completely owned in the fight and his eye was screwed, who knows what damage he would have taken, had the fight continued.

You realise Arlovski was brutally KTFO by a single punch in his MMA debut right?

Andrei Arlovski suffered his fourth straight defeat Saturday, but trainer Greg Jackson remains hopeful that the former UFC heavyweight champion can still get his career back on track.

“I think he’s going to come back a better fighter,” Jackson said recently on the Sherdog Radio Network’s “Beatdown” show. “You have to remember I’m a diehard optimist. It’s really hard to discourage me or tell me it shouldn’t be done or it can’t be done. I’m a guy that I think I know what to do to fix it. I’m going to try everything I can to do that.”

Arlovski was knocked out in the first round of his Strikeforce heavyweight matchup against Sergei Kharitonov. Jackson explained that Arlovski followed the game plan initially but then veered away from it.

“He kind of hesitated standing in front of [Kharitonov] and was grabbing around the neck and doing stuff that we hadn’t planned,” Jackson said. “For me, that’s part of the learning process. It didn’t go our way because we made some fundamental mistakes that we weren’t supposed to make. Of course you don’t want to stand in front of Kharitonov no matter who you are. He’s got bombs in either of those hands of his. We were doing very, very well following the game plan and we kind of had a lapse.”

One major criticism of Arlovski is his chin. However, Jackson disagreed that his fighter’s ability to take a punch is the issue.

“He got hit really hard by ‘Bigfoot’ Silva as well. He was taking some hard shots and was able to weather that storm,” Jackson said of the May 2010 decision Arlovski dropped to Antonio Silva. “He lost the decision of course, but still, he took some shots and was able to hang in there. It’s just these guys that he’s fighting, if you make one mistake with any of them, you’re going to get eaten.”

In Jackson’s view, Arlovski is consistently making the same mistake. The trainer did not go into particulars, but he said he has a beat on it now.

“I’m really identifying the mistake. It went a little deeper than I thought it did,” Jackson said. “Identifying that mistake and changing what we do there is going to be a big, important factor. I don’t think he has a weak chin. I think he’s fighting in a heavyweight division where these guys would knock down a house if they hit it.”

Jackson, who began working with Arlovski some before the Silva fight, is recognized by many as the top trainer in the sport. He believes Arlovski can still be one of the top heavyweights as well.

“I really learned a lot about Andrei and what we need to change and do differently,” Jackson said. “I don’t discourage easily. I want to go right back to the drawing board and attack what I think we need to attack to make him a better fighter.”

manschesthair_utd wrote:

Once Mohawked Pete wrote:AA's punch resistance (such as it was) is completely gone, I would much prefer to not see him take any further punishment.

With regards to Fedor, I've said many times, about many fighters, that I hate to see fighters carry on past their best. Remember seeing the great Mohammed Ali fight on way later than he should, and whilst you're not going to get the accumulative damage (in MMA) that you do in boxing, but my point remains. Fedor should retire, unless there is any underlying reason behind his performance against Silva (and NOT that ridiculous claim of hypnotism).

Back to the point though, the fight with Silva was stopped correctly, IMO. Fedor was getting completely owned in the fight and his eye was screwed, who knows what damage he would have taken, had the fight continued.

You realise Arlovski was brutally KTFO by a single punch in his MMA debut right?

its a shame for arlovski that his chis is so suspect a few years ago he really was impressive fighter.