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    Report: Sonnen Has Been Undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy For at Least the Past Year and Assumed CSAC Knew !!

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    Post  redmeanie77 Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:08 pm

    CagesideSeats.com has an interesting story they scooped from Yahoo! Sports MMA reporter Dave Meltzer's paid subscription f4wonline message board that sheds some light on the Chael Sonnen PED case.

    According to the story, Sonnen has been undergoing hormone replacement therapy since before his fight with Yushin Okami, which he reported to and was given clearance to fight by the California State Athletic Commission prior to the the bout. Because it is a permanent treatment Sonnen allegedly assumed his doctor prescribed required testosterone treatment would be on file, and thus never re-reported it to the commission.

    Testosterone levels can drop off for various reasons, including age, hereditary reasons or because of stress the endocrine system is due to a number of variables, not limited to repeated weight fluctuation and dehydration caused by weight cutting.

    Here's what Meltzer had to say about the case in the latest edition of his Wrestling Observer newsletter:


    "Chael Sonnen's hearing before the California State Athletic Commission regarding testing positive for testosterone is scheduled for 12/2 in Sacramento. Josh Barnett will also be applying to get licensed on that date. The talk was Sonnen would argue based on being medically prescribed testosterone due to a low level in his system. The issue would be whether or not he informed the commission ahead of time, because in cases like that, at least in Nevada, you have to ask for an exemption well in advance, have the commission doctors and your doctors talk and get it approved, and you still can't have a higher than normal level in your system when being tested which requires additional lab work. Those type of exemptions being approved are rare."

    CS dug a little further and came up with a conversation between Meltzer and UFC.com writer/German UFC commentator Oliver Copp on the F4WOnline messageboard

    Here's what Copp had to say about the situation:


    "It'll probably be a slap-on-the-wrist suspension until, say, February. Then CSAC can claim a victory over Sonnen for failing to declare while Sonnen will be fine at the same time and can do Ultimate Fighter with Bisping or fight, whatever comes first.

    These are the facts, as best I can ascertain.
    - Sonnen is on Hormone Replacement Therapy.
    - HRT is a "permanent therapy" and not something you do for three months and then are done with it.
    - When he fought Okami in LA, Sonnen declared it, jumped through hoops and did the entire shebang.
    - CSAC approved it.
    - Sonnen came back to fight in Cali again and, since HRT is a permanent therapy and in his case had been approved by CSAC before, he didn't think he'd have to jump through hoops AGAIN.
    - Unbeknownst to him, CSAC had changed since his last fight in California and the new commission wanted to turn over a new leaf and be nothing like the commission of old.
    Opinion part:
    In other words, Sonnen got caught in a political crossfire. If he's guilty of anything, he's guilty of being a dumbass and assuming, instead of going through the process. I will cut him some slack for being down with the flu leading up to the fight, with his main priority being getting better so he can get through the week and the fight.
    A lot of guys who have cut weight from an early age develop testosterone deficiency. The exact mechanism isn't fully understood yet but dehydrating your body badly and rehydrating over an extended period of time increases the chances of doing damage to your endocrine system by as much as 5,000 percent.
    After taking your hit, your levels are all over the place for an hour or two until they settle in a normal region. If they tested Sonnen during that time, his levels will have been WAY high."
    And here's Meltzer's two cents:


    "The problem is if you look at photos of Sonnen from fight to fight, you notice far bigger and more muscular for Marquardt & especially Silva as compared to all of his previous fights.

    It's possible he has legit reasons for it. However, I do recall when the subject came up in 2008 that he California commission said they had never approved of anyone using hormone replacement therapy and gave the indication they likely never would because of the ease for abuse. Obviously that's pre Okami fight and the guy in charge of the commission changed to someone not nearly as much of a hardass on the drug issue.
    But in OVW and WWE pre-Benoit, everyone was able to do that as a gimmick, get the prescriptions and it was a gimmick. Even after, when WWE cracked down, there were a few exemptions and the doctor in charge felt every single one was shady.
    WWE now will not hire someone with that prescription, or allow any prescriptions for test, as company policy."
    Copp then pointed a finger at Matt Hughes, accusing the former UFC welterweight champion as being guilty of possible unreported testosterone use:


    "Look at Matt Hughes physically in the Serra fight and then the Gracie fight. Compare that to how he looked in the Almeida fight. Guess when he started going on HRT.

    I think this is all somewhat murky water, and I sincerely feel that if Sonnen has ANY case, the Cali commission will want this to go away without much in the way of coverage."
    We won't have long to wait to hear what Sonnen's defense will be. His CSAC hearing is set for December 2.


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    Post  redmeanie77 Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:10 pm

    Interesting developments, hope this means a reduced ban, and Sonnen would return and fight the winner of Belfort-Anderson soon.
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    Post  efils_god Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:53 pm

    Interesting.

    Also where does this idea of doing TUF with Bisping come from? I think that would be hilarious - Sonnen would out-trash talk Bisping so badly, and then beat his ass for 3 rounds.

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    Post  poz Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:08 pm

    I did think Sonnen was a tit, with all his trash talk when he knew he was cheating. It certainly shed's a different light on it if he assumed he was still cleared (although he probably should have checked).

    Also good to see Barnett applying for a license, tucked away in there!
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    Post  the_king Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:15 pm

    a bisping/sonnen TUF will be so funny but there trash talk may take the light away from the prospect fighters.
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    Post  efils_god Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:17 pm

    Yeah true it probably would. Maybe they should just fight although i don't think Bisping deserves it, and Sonnen would school him easily...
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:29 pm

    In case you are wondering, Randy has been doing this for years!!!

    its how he has kept going so long!

    but is it cheating?
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:13 pm

    Nope if Hughes and Randy are it no way its cheating, they are all american heroes! Laughing

    Seriously though ive never had a problem with PED's I dont know a lot about them but HGH sounds like its good for you... I suppose everyone has to be on a level playingfield and up and commers cant afford it,

    You wonder if fighters like Fedor took it how he would perform though.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:31 pm

    Those who called Sonnen a cheat, line up and admit to being wrong. It was obvious something strange was going on as he hadn't commented, Dana wouldn't comment and Sonnen told the commission that he would obviously test hight for testosterone.

    I disagree that Sonnen was bigger for either the Marquadt or Silva fights than he was for Okami, or even Miller or Maia. He's maintained the same size.

    This is great news for the UFC and obviously for Sonnen and his fans. With Belfort-Silva signed for February and Okami fighting the winner probably in June, the MW title is tied up until I'm guessing around October of next year.

    If Sonnen does TUF and then destroys Bitchping in say May, he would then have his title shot in October.

    Bispings Only Fan, when you read this, I hereby challenge you to name and av beats on Bisping vs Sonnen. Two for the price of one! Sonnen to give The Cunt the beating of a lifetime.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:33 pm

    Brown Pride wrote:Interesting developments, hope this means a reduced ban, and Sonnen would return and fight the winner of Belfort-Anderson soon.

    Okami gets the winner of Belfort-Anderson.

    Surely you'd rather see Sonnen put a beating on Bitchping!
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    Post  redmeanie77 Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:43 pm

    Wouldnt mind seeing Sonnen on TUF with Bisping.


    Im hoping they screw Okami out of a title shot, if Sonnen's appeal is succesful. The UFC would much rather put on Anderson-Sonnen 2 than Anderson-Okami. So wouldnt be suprised if they did tell Okami "Hard luck but we promised Sonnen his title shot first...."
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:59 pm

    Why would you want to see a fighter who has earned their title shot be screwed out of it??
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    Post  redmeanie77 Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:05 pm

    Okami is just so passive , it would be another Leites/ Maia(in the 1st few rounds) all over again.



    edit: Thats assuming Anderson wins, which im pretty sure he will.



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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:11 pm

    Okami may not be spectacular or exciting to watch, but he won't wait for Silva to come to him. He'll know his only hope is to control Silva by using his clinch work and top level grappling.
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    Post  the_king Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:44 pm

    i wonder if sonnen when he comes back will be more humble or weather he will carry on his funny trash talk.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:40 pm

    I think he'll come back as he was. He'll probably have even more to say! Hopefully it's all sorted before the Silva-Belfort fight because I would LOVE to see him join Rogan and Goldberg and provide commentary on that fight!
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    Post  the_king Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:53 pm

    lol yeah that would be funny. just an interview afterwords would be good.
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    Post  payneNglory1 Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:44 pm

    http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=5654

    Chael Sonnen will not be able to use Testosterone Replacement Therapy as an excuse for failing his UFC 117 drug tests, according to a California State Athletic Commission executive.

    Despite recent - and correct - reports that CSAC allows athletes to undergo TRT, the exception is made with two caveats: one, the fighter must give adequate prior notification to CSAC and two, he must not show levels of testosterone outside the norm when he is tested.

    “When anybody is on any type of medication or anything like that they are required to provide physical documentation prior to us allowing them to compete here. That goes for any athlete that’s on any medication that could result in a positive toxicology test revealing abuse,” George Dodd told MMAFA.tv

    “Our people review it and if there is any alternative benefit then that question will also get asked. But, from what I understand, even if you’re on testosterone therapy you would not have elevated testosterone.

    “And it has to be approved. Let me remind you again: we have to clear it. We need to get necessary documentation from a physician saying why you’re on this medication, ‘these are the treatments that we’ve attempted and it hasn’t worked or it has.’

    “Then we forward that information to our ring-side physician for review. If our physician agrees with their doctor then as long as they don’t test outside of a particular range they are fine.”

    One aspect of the case which puzzled a lot of people was how Sonnen was permitted to fight despite telling commission executives he had “taken something” and would probably fail the drugs test.

    Dodd explained that, under the legislation the commission uses, only a positive test sample is grounds for removing a fighter from a card - even self-admission is not enough.

    “According to rule 303C, even self-admitting doesn’t allow us to stop a fight. A laboratory has to confirm it with a toxicology report. Even if we were to do a test for abuse ring-side for cocaine, marijuana, etc., we can’t stop it. It has to be verified with blood work,” he said.

    Sonnen’s appeal hearing is set for December 2nd. He will be joined - in theory - by Josh Barnett, who is set to appeal the results of a test which stopped him getting a license to fight at Affliction Trilogy last year, which inadvertently killed the promotion.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:16 pm

    He's going to get a reduced ban and come out with his name cleared. He should be getting any ban. The CSAC is a joke.
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    Post  threeofclubs Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:07 pm

    I am amazed that they even allow HRT. If you genuinely have a problem
    ( and I very much doubt that Sonnen does) why would you be fighting for a living?

    Sonnen is clearly a cheat. Having extra testosterone can give you a huge advantage
    in allowing you to train much harder.

    Having said that maybe everyone should be allowed to use whatever Performance enhancing substances that they want to?
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:54 pm

    Think you took a left coming out of Sherdog instead of a right.

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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:58 pm

    threeofclubs wrote:
    Having said that maybe everyone should be allowed to use whatever Performance enhancing substances that they want to?



    They tried that, it was called PRIDE FC, it was the greatest MMA Org ever.



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    Post  threeofclubs Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:05 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:Think you took a left coming out of Sherdog instead of a right.

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    What a surprise. A content free reply from you.

    You really don't see anything wrong with professional athletes receiving testosterone?
    You really don't think that it is "cheating"?
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:35 pm

    I'm sorry, but you're not nearly important enough for me to waste time with. Jog on. Tell the girls on 606 i said hello.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:37 pm

    Come on Anfield, thats a bit harsh mate. We all had to start somewhere, give him a break.

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