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    CSAC upholds UFC middleweight Chael Sonnen's indefinite suspension.

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    Post  Sheldan Wed May 18, 2011 9:49 pm

    One-time UFC middleweight title contender Chael Sonnen will not be competing in the octagon anytime soon.

    The California State Athletic Commission today ruled to uphold Sonnen's indefinite suspension, citing both a recent federal money-laundering conviction, as well as some questionable testimony following a positive result in a post-UFC 117 drug screen.

    The CSAC made their ruling during today's special meeting, which took place at the Ronald Reagan State Office Building in Los Angeles. The motion passed with a vote of 4-1.

    Sonnen can not reapply for a license before June 29, 2012. Should he elect to do so, he'll have to once again appear before the CSAC.

    During today's testimony, Sonnen revealed the UFC was targeting him as a potential coach on the soon-to-film 14th season of "The Ultimate Fighter." Sonnen said the UFC planned to pit him against outspoken British striker Michael Bisping, and the two would meet in a No. 1 contender matchup at the end of the season.

    Today's ruling likely nixes that option, as the Nevada State Athletic Commission – which holds jurisdiction over the participants in "TUF," which films in Las Vegas – generally upholds the rulings of other prominent commissions. Sonnen suggested during testimony that a failure to secure a license at today's hearing would likely lead to his retirement.

    This past December, Sonnen was suspended six months and fined $2,500 by the CSAC for elevated levels of testosterone following his near-upset of UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva. The term marked a reduced sentence from the one-year term he originally received.

    In January, the CSAC suspended Sonnen's license indefinitely for his conviction on a federal charge of money laundering, as well as "providing false testimony" during an appeal hearing held this past December.

    Sonnen was due to appear in April before the Nevada State Athletic Commission about the possibility of receiving a fight license. Sonnen was expected to answer questions about statements he'd made during the CSAC hearing – namely, whether he'd gotten approval for his use of prescribed testosterone prior to his fight with Nate Marquardt at UFC 109, which took place in Nevada.

    NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer claimed Sonnen had not been truthful in telling the CSAC that he had received approval from the Nevada commission prior to testing positive for elevated levels of testosterone following his title fight with Anderson Silva at UFC 117.

    MMAjunkie.com will have more on this story later today.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Wed May 18, 2011 9:58 pm

    CSAC are a complete joke.

    Sonnen can still fight. There are plenty of states without commissions/with commissions who act on their own as opposed to following CSAC and NSAC.

    Best option might be Sonnen to Strikeforce. They tend to do more shows in the non-commissioned places.
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    Post  redmeanie77 Wed May 18, 2011 11:17 pm














    I dont understand, someone explain to me please. Why is Sonnen still suspended?? I read the whole article, but i must be missing something, there got to be a catch here somewhere.



    Otherwise they are suspending him because of a federal conviction in which he was just fined, what right does CSAC have in saying he shouldnt be licenced for that?? There are doctors here in Ireland who have done much worse things than this, and medical council didnt see fit to suspend their license.

    And because he served a 6 month suspension, a suspension that CSAC themselves handed out.


    This is beyond a farce, Sonnen is not a nice guy he himself would admit but what the hell is this????




    I really hope Zuffa stick 2 fingers to CSAC and put Sonnen on TUF, and in International events. Who wants to see Sonnen-Bisping in England??? Everyone!
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    Post  superman_punch Thu May 19, 2011 12:54 am

    Best solution = Sonnen V Bisping in Liverpool later this year.

    Is there any reason why it couldn't happen. With the major states not allowing Chael to fight it could be a blessing in disguise for us Brits.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu May 19, 2011 2:14 am

    Can you imagine the shit Sonnen would say about Bisping and England just to get into his head and pile the pressure on Bisping??
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Thu May 19, 2011 2:26 am

    Bisping can give abuse but not take it, Sonnen can give it and then we he recieves it he gives it back some more!

    Would be quite funny watching Bisping destroyed before he even stepped into the Octagon...


    Is there ANY, and i mean ANY way Bisping wins this fight? I've played over every possible outcome in my head and not one is a good one for Mike. What would his gameplan have to be?
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    Post  efils_god Thu May 19, 2011 9:09 am

    The_Axe_Emperor wrote:Bisping can give abuse but not take it, Sonnen can give it and then we he recieves it he gives it back some more!

    Would be quite funny watching Bisping destroyed before he even stepped into the Octagon...


    Is there ANY, and i mean ANY way Bisping wins this fight? I've played over every possible outcome in my head and not one is a good one for Mike. What would his gameplan have to be?

    for me there is no way he wins. Sonnen won't let him run, which would be his only chance....
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    Post  Mryzyz Thu May 19, 2011 10:07 am

    The obvious solution is to have Sonnen vs Barnett.
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    Post  2brutal Thu May 19, 2011 12:12 pm

    Dana says it is over meaning sonnen could be done
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    Post  Cowboys From Hell Thu May 19, 2011 1:30 pm

    A shame but not surprising I knew Kizer wasn't gonna let this one go away quietly.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu May 19, 2011 1:33 pm

    I reckon it means Sonnen to Strikeforce. Barnett has no license and he's still fighting.

    I also don't see any way possible that Bisping wins that fight.

    Fight will go something like this:

    Round One:
    Bisping circles, runs, throws a job, Sonnen charges, takes him down with ease and beats the shit out of him for the remaining 4 minutes and 50 seconds. Score 10-8 Sonnen.

    Round Two:
    Bisping circles, runs, throws a jab, Sonnen grabs him, picks him up and dumps him on his head. Then beats the shit out of him for the remaining 4 minutes and 50 second. Score 10-8 Sonnen.

    Round Three:
    Bisping sprints around the ring, Sonnen stands looking at him in bemusement, Bisping launches himself through the air throwing his signature prancing pony flying knee. Sonnen catches him in midair, dumps him on the ground and beats the shit out of him for the remaining 4 minutes and 50 seconds. Score 10-8

    Winner and new number 1 contender by a score of 30-24, Chael Sonnen.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Thu May 19, 2011 1:38 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:I reckon it means Sonnen to Strikeforce. Barnett has no license and he's still fighting.

    I also don't see any way possible that Bisping wins that fight.

    Fight will go something like this:

    Round One:
    Bisping circles, runs, throws a job, Sonnen charges, takes him down with ease and beats the shit out of him for the remaining 4 minutes and 50 seconds. Score 10-8 Sonnen.

    Round Two:
    Bisping circles, runs, throws a jab, Sonnen grabs him, picks him up and dumps him on his head. Then beats the shit out of him for the remaining 4 minutes and 50 second. Score 10-8 Sonnen.

    Round Three:
    Bisping sprints around the ring, Sonnen stands looking at him in bemusement, Bisping launches himself through the air throwing his signature prancing pony flying knee. Sonnen catches him in midair, dumps him on the ground and beats the shit out of him for the remaining 4 minutes and 50 seconds. Score 10-8

    Winner and new number 1 contender by a score of 30-24, Chael Sonnen.

    HAha didnt think you would give Bisping enough credit to survive a round with Sonnen! ITs a joke he has served his time, paid penalties to things unrelated to his suspension and isnt able to be licenced due to some stupid grudge someone has over him.... Id love to see him still fight in unlicenced states but didnt that get the comissions back up when Bigfoot did it? Crazy the clear cut number 1 contender and the clear cut biggest threat to Silva (GSP included) is out of so long, Id love to see him in SF, Jacare has no challengers currently and Sonnen would fit that role nicely.
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    Post  Sheldan Thu May 19, 2011 4:13 pm

    Full breakdown of Sonnen's case:

    CSAC on Sonnen: Inconsistencies, money laundering led to suspension

    LOS ANGELES - In a Wednesday decision to uphold Chael Sonnen's indefinite suspension, the California State Athletic Commission ruled that inconsistencies in the onetime middleweight contender's previous statements to the commission, as well as his recent felony charge on money laundering, ultimately constituted a threat to public safety and served as a discredit to the sport of MMA.

    A 4-1 ruling in favor of Sonnen's punishment, which effectively bars him from professional competition until June 29 and could, as he said, prompt his retirement from MMA, showed the commission was swayed little by a counter-argument that his inconsistencies were not malicious and that rehabilitation had taken place in the five months since his most recent appearance before them.

    MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) was live and on scene at a special hearing that has cast doubt on Sonnen's future in the sport, and we'll take a closer look at the arguments presented by California State in favor of the suspension, as well as those to lift it presented by the fighter and his representatives.

    There were five commissioners present at the hearing: CSAC Chair John Frierson, Dr. Christopher Giza, Dr. VanBuren Ross Lemons, Eugene Hernandez and Anthony Thompson. Additionally, CSAC Executive Director George Dodd was in attendance.

    Frierson, Giza, Hernandez, and Dodd were present this past December when Sonnen was suspended for six months and fined $2,500 for elevated levels of testosterone following his fight with Anderson Silva at UFC 117 (Hernandez, however, left late in the proceeding).

    Representing the state at the hearing was Deputy Attorney General Karen Chappelle, who was not present this past December. She most notably represented the state when Sean Sherk appealed a one-year suspension handed down by CSAC when he tested positive for performance-enhancers following his win over Hermes Franca at UFC 73.

    Representing Sonnen was Steven J. Thompson, a Chicago-based lawyer who represented the fighter during the appeal of his original suspension and has served as a lawyer for Team Quest and Matt Lindland. Also representing Sonnen was Raffi Nahabedian, who most notably represented B.J. Penn in a 2005 contractual dispute with the UFC and in the infamous "Greasegate" scandal.

    Each side was given a maximum of 45 minutes to present their opening arguments and question witnesses with 10 minutes allowed for rebuttals. The remainder of the hearing stretched into the early afternoon, approximately three hours in length.

    A total of three witnesses were called during the hearing: Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer, who participated via videoconference; Sonnen and Dodd.

    The case against Chael

    Chappelle was first to speak to commissioners and laid the framework for the state's case. As expected, the state's case focused on Sonnen's statements to the commission about Kizer during this past December's hearing, as well as those made in subsequent interviews to the media following the reduction of his suspension. Principally, she asserted that Sonnen had been untruthful with the commission when he said Kizer had given him permission to use testosterone and advised him not to disclose it to other commissions. Although Sonnen had later modified his statements by stating that Lindland had told him that Kizer had given approval - the charge of dishonesty was still deemed valid.

    Said Chappelle: "The evidence reveals a portrait of someone who makes a lot of statements, and many of them are inconsistent."

    The case also focused on Sonnen's recent conviction on a federal charge of money laundering for which Sonnen was given two years of probation and fined $10,000 in addition to the revocation of his realtor's license.

    Chappelle asserted that Sonnen's conduct had violated the Business and Professions Code of CSAC's statutes that specifically state that an athlete who "conducts himself or herself at any time or place in a manner which is deemed by the commission to reflect discredit to boxing, may have his or her license revoked, or may be fined, suspended, or otherwise disciplined as the commission may direct."

    "Everyone deserves a second chance," Chappelle said. "The question is, how many second chances?"

    In evaluating whether Sonnen had been rehabilitated, as required by the commission in cases of disciplinary action, Chappelle asked the commission to consider Sonnen's prior disciplinary record, whether he'd shown remorse, his candor and cooperation during his dealings with the commission, and whether he'd proven himself to be rehabilitated.

    In defense of Chael

    Thompson said Sonnen answered questions "to the best of his ability" during the Dec. 2 hearing and had no intention of deliberately misleading the commission about his use of testosterone or the interactions that took place between him, his manager, Matt Lindland, and the NSAC (Thompson added that he attempted to explain the "situation in Nevada" and was told it was irrelevant by the commission during the Dec. hearing).

    Thompson urged the commission to take into account what Sonnen said on the record and not what he said in the media or on the Internet. "If you do that, you will conclude there was not false testimony whatsoever," he said.

    Of the original suspension issued, Thompson argued that the basis for Sonnen's initial suspension was Lindland's dealings with the NSAC. When Sonnen testified this past December, he was giving statements based on his understanding of those dealings at the time. "The state would have to take Chael's comments and turn them into lies," Thompson said. "It's not fair, it's not right, and it's not supported by the record. Chael is not a lawyer. He is a prize fighter."

    Of the criminal conviction which the state cited in the indefinite suspension, Thompson said Sonnen had accepted responsibility for the money laundering charge and had been commended by a federal judge for his remorse and a community service. He argued Sonnen's federal charge is not relevant to the licensed activity, as he said must be considered per CSAC statutes, and thus did not bring discredit to MMA.

    The NSAC weighs in

    Keith Kizer's appearance on the witness stand prompted some sparring between the state and Sonnen's representatives.

    Kizer stated that he had not spoken to anyone about a therapeutic use exemption for Sonnen, and the fighter had not sought one or previously been granted one at two events in Nevada, WEC 33 and UFC 109. The only time the two spoke, Kizer said, was at a March 4 meeting in which he confronted Sonnen about his statements at the hearing and in the media.

    "He said, 'The Nevada State Athletic Commission told me not to declare the testosterone,'" Kizer said. "That is a false statement. I never spoke to Mr. Sonnen before March 4, 2011."

    Thompson later asserted that Lindland called Kizer in January 2008 about a therapeutic exemption - which Kizer said he vaguely remembered but that Sonnen's name wasn't mentioned during the conversation - and sent an exemption request to the NSAC head shortly thereafter. He questioned why the manager had gone through the steps to get Sonnen approved if it was not in relation to a fight.

    But with Lindland's absence at the hearing, the state successfully argued that questions to Kizer about why the manager did or didn't do something for Sonnen were irrelevant to the proceedings.

    Kizer did, however, say that Lindland disputed Sonnen's contention in this past December's hearing that he was told by Lindland that Kizer said not to disclose to other commissions his use of testosterone.

    The NSAC head also said he felt a duty to speak to the press and correct the record following Sonnen's statements to the commission and in the media. Although he had earlier confronted Sonnen, he said the fighter had done the right thing by stating that the two had never spoken in a subsequent interview.

    Sonnen's testimony

    Chael Sonnen, the now-infamous madcap comedian, was nowhere to be found during the proceedings. The brash insults that polarized MMA fans - and, according to Sonnen, won him the title of "Best [Expletive]-talker in MMA" per ESPN and Sports Illustrated - was replaced by a soft-spoken, nearly meek 34-year-old with a heavy heart. He said he wanted to clear the record and go back to work. He reiterated that he had no intention of misleading the commission and tried to clarify the imprecise comments he made. He asked for forgiveness.

    • Sonnen was asked about measures he'd taken to rehabilitate himself. He spoke of volunteer work he'd done giving classes to young people - he later said it was a youth wrestling club - about thinking clearly in the actions they take.
    • Sonnen accepted responsibility for the actions that led to his suspension in California and said he understood why his indefinite suspension was issue.
    • Sonnen said he understood he was under investigation for money laundering at the time of his December hearing. He wasn't sure whether he was under active investigation at the time of his license application when he applied for a license in California in October 2009.
    • When he learned that Kizer said he wasn't approved to use testosterone, Sonnen said he called the NSAC head twice following his December hearing and didn't get through.
    • Sonnen said he is "very comfortable" with the testimony he gave in December. "I didn't personally speak with Mr. Kizer," he said. "I relied on the information my manager gave me, and I certainly never intended to make it sound as tough a mystery conversation took place with the director that didn't."
    • Sonnen said he received nothing of the $69,000 kickback that was part of the government's case against him in the money laundering charge.
    • Sonnen said he currently works two jobs with "long days" but did not disclose what they are.
    • A job offer "18 days from now" is ready for Sonnen - a coaching spot on "The Ultimate Fighter 14." He said the coaches would fight for a No. 1 contender spot "on free TV." Asked how his job prospects would be affected if his suspension is upheld, Sonnen said, "I will effectively be retired. That's from the boss, Dana White."
    • In explaining his outlandish interviews, Sonnen said, "When I'm onstage, I'm performing. It's no different than any other actor. Those interviews also are not free. I charge for them. I'm doing an entertainment service." Sonnen also said he does understands the difference between interviews in the media and sworn testimony.
    • In closing, Sonnen said, "There were mistakes made. But I served my time. They gave me a suspension, I walked out, I kept my mouth shut, and I served my debt. I worked for this chance my whole life - since I was nine - and I don't want to retire today." The commission speaks

    Real estate, fight contracts, and testosterone - CSAC commissioners engaged Sonnen on all fronts. He was asked what he was thinking when he participated in a deal that ultimately cost him a real estate license (Sonnen said he and his superiors signed off on the deal and didn't intend to break the law, though he was aware that impropriety was occurring and said he went to regulators to resolve it). He was asked, somewhat seriously, whether he used "fuzzy language" when writing out fight contracts. He was asked if he still used testosterone.

    But commissioner Christopher Giza pointedly called upon several contradictory statements Sonnen made to the commission and the media. Those contradictions, he said, called into question the fighter's "veracity." Sonnen said he was comfortable with the testimony he gave in December, yet said he could have been more precise. Sonnen had gotten testosterone from a doctor, yet he previously said that he didn't disclose its usage because he didn't believe it was a medication. "These aren't the only examples of inconsistencies, and I would think that at some point in this process, you would really be going out of your way to dot all the i's and cross all the t's," Giza said.

    Dr. Lemons had serious concerns about Sonnen's long-term usage of testosterone, particularly in relation to its possible side effects. It was Sonnen's understanding from his doctor that the treatments were needed for "survival" and he had the "testosterone of a 93-year-old man." Sonnen said he would still take the drug regardless of whether he fought or not, to which Lemons suggested he get a second opinion.

    In responding to questions about his community service, Sonnen said he "absolutely" used his own life as example when talking to the youth wrestling club about making mistakes and using the right judgement.

    Chair Frierson issued a bold statement, one he said was based on his decade with the commission and background in law enforcement.

    "I believe in second chances," he said. "Anybody who has worked with us knows that. But in this case, I'm saying to you, sir, that without asking any questions, it's very hard for me to believe in your second chance."

    Commissioner Hernandez, meanwhile, said Sonnen couldn't pick and choose when to be truthful. Public or private - it's all fair game.

    "I would suggest that if you think about the Internet now where we have employers using that to do background checks on potential employees - people are gauging what you say," he said. "You can't say time out, I'm performing, this is my honesty hat and this is my character hat. It doesn't work that way in the real world."

    The ruling

    After the last-minute testimony of Dodd, who verified that no white-collar criminal had ever been suspended under his watch as executive director, and pleas of leniency for Sonnen on behalf of his mother, Nahabedian and a woman named Marika Taylor, the commission voted 4-1 on a motion - called by commissioner Hernandez and seconded by commissioner Giza - to uphold Sonnen's indefinite suspension.

    Sonnen's official suspension runs through June 29, or when his license was due to expire in California. Dodd initially told MMAjunkie.com that Sonnen won't be able to reapply for a license in the state before June 29, 2012, as with a license revocation. However, he subsequently said that he is seeking a opinion from the commission's legal adviser, Anita Scurry, as to whether today's ruling is being treated as a suspension or a revocation.

    Sonnen is free to apply for a license in other states when his California suspension ends. However, the decision whether or not to issue the license is up to each individual commission.
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    Post  Mryzyz Thu May 19, 2011 6:33 pm

    The one thing that damages the sport more than anything else is the athletic comissions.

    Shitty ruleset, shitty judges, arbitrary and illogical interference, cecil peoples...

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    Post  the_king Thu May 19, 2011 6:51 pm

    pretty much means sonnens ufc days are over he should jus move to strikforce or something.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Thu May 19, 2011 11:49 pm

    Can he even simply hop over to SF and fight there? Not sure if he can now ZUFFA owns that too. What an unfortunate and unnecessary mess this has turned out into!
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    Post  sunthunder Fri May 20, 2011 12:53 am

    Strikeforce are still subject to state athletic commission rulings and regulations.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Fri May 20, 2011 1:06 am

    Exactly... it's not as easy as just hopping over to SF then. What alternatives are there? Can he still fight for the UFC if it's in Europe?
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    Post  sunthunder Fri May 20, 2011 1:24 am

    UFC would honour the commissions suspension anyway out of courtesy and not have him fight in European events. I think he can re-apply for a license at some point.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Fri May 20, 2011 2:30 am

    Josh Barnett is banned in Cali and Nevada. He's going to fight on the next SF card. SF hold more events in states without commissions, or with commissions that don't simply follow what Nevada and Cali do.

    I'd be fairly certain a switch to SF would be pretty easy for him.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Fri May 20, 2011 4:14 pm

    UFC shouldnt worry about keeping comissions happy, I hope he fights for SF or UFC schedule him in events that dont fall under those athletic comissions duristiction... Id would have much rather Sonnen be rematching Anderson in Brazil than Okami who offeres nothing that Sonnen doesnt... Ah well hope it gets cleared up one way or another because Sonnen IMO with a bit more sub defence could be a top 3 p4p fighter.
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    Post  Sheldan Sat May 21, 2011 1:36 am

    The California State Athletic Commission today reversed a decision to treat Chael Sonnen's indefinite suspension as a license revocation, which clears the way for the onetime middleweight contender to apply for a fight license in the state after his suspension runs its course on June 29 of this year.

    On Thursday, CSAC Executive Director George Dodd told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that California Code of Regulations Title 4 Rule 399 was used as justification by CSAC legal advisers for classifying the suspension as a revocation.

    Today, however, the CSAC announced there were errors made in the interpretation of that rule.

    "Upon reviewing the May 18, 2011 decision of the commission, an error in the applicability of Rule 399 was made," stated a release issued today by the commission. "The rule states that, 'Any applicant who has been denied an application for a license may not file a similar application until one year from the date of the last previous denial by the commission. Any application filed within the one year period may be denied without the necessity of a hearing. Anyone who has had his license revoked may not petition for reinstatement or apply for a new license until one year after the date of such revocation. Any petition for reinstatement filed within the one year period may be denied without the necessity of a hearing.'

    "Since the commission did not revoke or deny Mr. Sonnen's license, the rule does not apply."

    The release noted that Sonnen will need to appear before the commission once again should he decide to apply for a license in California.

    "If the commission denies his application, Mr. Sonnen will have to wait one year from the date of the denial," the release stated.

    On Tuesday, the CSAC voted 4-1 to uphold an indefinite suspension of Sonnen issued in late April. The commission cited inconsistencies in his testimony during a December appeal of a one-year suspension he was issued for elevated levels of testosterone following UFC 117. (The suspension was reduced to six months.) Sonnen's recent conviction on one federal charge of money laundering was also cited as a reason for the indefinite suspension.

    On Thursday Dodd said that Sonnen was not eligible to apply for a license in California until May 18, 2012, or one year from the date that CSAC upheld the indefinite suspension, as per the commission's rules on license revocations.

    Until June 29, Sonnen's name will remain on a registry that tracks fighters' medical and administrative suspensions. It is unknown at the time of this writing whether a note will be placed on the registry after the suspension expires that asks commissions in other states to call the CSAC in the event that the fighter applies for a license there.

    At Wednesday's hearing, Sonnen's legal representatives begged the CSAC to end the fighter's current suspension on June 5, the final date in which he'd be eligible to gain a second's license in Nevada to coach on "The Ultimate Fighter 14." Sonnen told the commission that he had been offered a coaching spot opposite Michael Bisping on the reality show with a No. 1 contender's bout waiting afterward. The request was declined.

    Nevada State Athletic Commission Keith Kizer said on Thursday that a second's license is out of the question before Sonnen's current suspension ends, though the restrictions will be lifted after June 29.

    "My understanding is that he's free to apply for either license after June 29," Kizer said today. "However, he will have to appear before the commission on those applications. Before that date, we have to honor the California suspensions."
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Sat May 21, 2011 6:01 am

    and once again the CSAC shows itself to be a joke!
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Mon May 23, 2011 4:14 pm

    Anyone got any thoughts on Mayhem stepping in against Bitchping and doing TUF and then fighting him afterwards??
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Mon May 23, 2011 4:43 pm

    Wait is Sonnen good to fight if he gets relicenced after June 29? If so when does TUF usually start filming? Tim Kennedy has been calling out Bisping, as calling him a cheat etc.. (have you read the interviews anfield?) I think him and Miller are pretty even as fighters so either man would be a good call...

    I suppose the only difference between Mayhem and Kennedy vs Bisping would be one Subs him one GnP's him! Laughing

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