+10

Once Mohawked Pete

redmeanie77

poz

the_king

sunthunder

Albion_Oakley

hendos_right_hook

Anfields5thKing

The_Axe_Emperor

rudeboyben84

14 posters

Go to page :

1, 2, 3, 4, 5

SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Once Mohawked Pete

Once Mohawked Pete: Middleweight; Posts : 1162
Join date : 2009-08-23
Age : 56
Location : Newcastle

Post n°26

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Once Mohawked Pete Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:06 pm

Good post man.

For my money, I see the following -

Fedor Emelianenko vs Cain Velasquez
For me, this is the hardest to call. All a question of how good Cain's ground game is. As big a fan as I am, I just cannot see him having enough there (at this stage of his career anyway) - Fedor Sub 2nd

Junior Dos Santos vs Alistair Overeem
Changed my mind a number of times on this one. Finally going with Dos Santos by early Stoppage (rd 1)

Josh Barnett vs Brock Lesnar
Barnett Stoppage 2nd. Too many flaws in Brocks game to fancy him against any semi-decent striker. Barnett too quick on his feet.

Fabricio Werdum vs Frank Mir
Again, really interesting match up. We all know about both of their ground games, may just go down to who can implement their game plan best. Saying all of that, I hat Mir with a passion, so Werdum Sub 2nd.

Shane Carwin vs Antonio Silva
Carwin. Stoppage 1st. Not many in the game could withstand an onslaught from Shane.

Brett Rogers vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Rogers, should be way better than he is, and Nog's getting a bit battle scarred, close fight, but IMO, the edge goes to Nog. Nog UD

Sergei Kharitonov vs Roy Nelson
Going with Big Country on this one. Nelson Stoppage 2nd

Andrei Arlovski vs Brendan Schaub
Love AA to bits, but, going with the younger man here. Schaub Stoppage 2nd.

Last edited by Once Mohawked Pete on Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:28 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : being a dumbass)

redmeanie77

redmeanie77: Middleweight; Posts : 4165
Join date : 2009-08-29

Post n°27

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

redmeanie77 Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:09 pm

Ben what seeding did you do for this tournament???

Crazy to think Fedor is bombing out in rd 1 and Rogers/Sergei possibly going through. affraid

IMO Cain, Fedor, JDS, Overeem and Brock should have been kept apart from each other for 1st round.

poz

poz: Lightweight; Posts : 362
Join date : 2009-11-09
Age : 54

Post n°28

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

poz Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:21 pm

I've got...

Fedor beats Cain sub in 2nd, I like Cain, but Fedor has been hit harder and think he could take Cain down and make it stick eventually.

Overeem is more rounded I think, stopping JDS 2nd.

Barnett takes a few shots on his enormous, perfectly natural chin. Brock flounces across the cage/ring with a couple of those sticks with lace on that gymnasts use (yes, I am guilty of watching Beth Tweddle, on occasion Very Happy

), Barnett chooses how to finish inside the 1st.

Werdum laughs at Mir, subs him in 3rd.

Silva tko after Carwin gases horribly, 2nd again.

Nog is at arse end of his career, but to me Rogers is a bit one dimensional and dare I say a bit over-rated? Nog by decision.

I like Nelson, as he seems to not give much of a fuck, but on Ben's sayso I'll go with Kharitonov (if allowed), as all the fights of his I've tried to see on mma-core have not been found!

Finally, Arlovski remembers he is NOT a world class boxer, brings a 'stout beard' and KO in the 1st.

sunthunder

sunthunder: Welterweight; Posts : 583
Join date : 2009-08-16
Age : 37
Location : Leeds

Post n°29

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

sunthunder Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:36 pm

To be honest Brock subbing Barnett is not as absurd as it sounds. Watch Kerr nearly rip Josh's arm off in ADCC and you'll see where I'm coming from.

rudeboyben84

rudeboyben84: Light Heavyweight; Posts : 6040
Join date : 2009-08-14
Age : 40
Location : Belfast

Post n°30

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

rudeboyben84 Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:04 pm

Cheers ppozma, you pciked Arlovski there right? Scores on the doors are...

Carwin 14 : Bigfoot 5
Werdum 14 : Mir 5
Overeem 13 : JDS 6
Sergei: 13 : Nelson 6
Arlovski 12 : Schaub 7
Nog 12 : Rogers 6
Lesnar 11 : Barnett 8
Fedor 10 : Cain 9

Close run thing between Brock/Barnett and Fedor/Cain

Your picks Tipped Fedor over the edge!

rudeboyben84

rudeboyben84: Light Heavyweight; Posts : 6040
Join date : 2009-08-14
Age : 40
Location : Belfast

Post n°31

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

rudeboyben84 Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:06 pm

Oh and Petes too! Good shouts lads, Im closing voting on 606 at half 9... ill run this Armbar one later incase anyone wants to post before then

poz

poz: Lightweight; Posts : 362
Join date : 2009-11-09
Age : 54

Post n°32

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

poz Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:14 pm

rudeboyben84 wrote:Cheers ppozma, you pciked Arlovski there right? Scores on the doors are...

Carwin 14 : Bigfoot 5
Werdum 14 : Mir 5
Overeem 13 : JDS 6
Sergei: 13 : Nelson 6
Arlovski 12 : Schaub 7
Nog 12 : Rogers 6
Lesnar 11 : Barnett 8
Fedor 10 : Cain 9

Close run thing between Brock/Barnett and Fedor/Cain

Your picks Tipped Fedor over the edge!

Sorry, Bud. Yep I'd go with Arlovski there.

rudeboyben84

rudeboyben84: Light Heavyweight; Posts : 6040
Join date : 2009-08-14
Age : 40
Location : Belfast

Post n°33

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

rudeboyben84 Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:18 pm

Thats what I thought cheers mate...

Any Joy finding Sergei fights? Even youtube him im sure there something... try MMAlinker.com thats a good site but Ill look a few good ones and post later for you.

The_Axe_Emperor

The_Axe_Emperor: Middleweight; Posts : 2071
Join date : 2010-04-29
Age : 30
Location : Northamptonshire

Post n°34

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

The_Axe_Emperor Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:21 pm

Big Foot has a reach advantage over Carwin? Really, whats his reach like? Isn't Carwin's in the 80's?

poz

poz: Lightweight; Posts : 362
Join date : 2009-11-09
Age : 54

Post n°35

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

poz Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:26 pm

rudeboyben84 wrote:Thats what I thought cheers mate...

Any Joy finding Sergei fights? Even youtube him im sure there something... try MMAlinker.com thats a good site but Ill look a few good ones and post later for you.

Not as yet mate, the ones on mma-core linked to youtube but said video not found! I might try again once the clan are in bed-if the missus don 't moan at me for looking at men in little shorts, as she puts it!

rudeboyben84

rudeboyben84: Light Heavyweight; Posts : 6040
Join date : 2009-08-14
Age : 40
Location : Belfast

Post n°36

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

rudeboyben84 Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:35 pm

Carwin is 80"
Bigfoot is 82"

Carwin is 6"1 (at a push)
Bigfoot is 6"4

Haha why do women always do that ppozma! Theres nothing worse than when your watching the fights and someone brings their girl along who constantly drunkenly calls it gay when they grapple and thinks its funny! Laughing

The_Axe_Emperor

The_Axe_Emperor: Middleweight; Posts : 2071
Join date : 2010-04-29
Age : 30
Location : Northamptonshire

Post n°37

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

The_Axe_Emperor Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:43 pm

Still i dont see it making a difference, i dont care how good your chin is (even though i dont think Big Foots is anything special), as soon as Carwin connects you're going out. Big Foot could stick and move the first round to wear Shane out but standing with that mammoth is never a good idea.

poz

poz: Lightweight; Posts : 362
Join date : 2009-11-09
Age : 54

Post n°38

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

poz Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:50 pm

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:Still i dont see it making a difference, i dont care how good your chin is (even though i dont think Big Foots is anything special), as soon as Carwin connects you're going out. Big Foot could stick and move the first round to wear Shane out but standing with that mammoth is never a good idea.

Like Brocks did Axe?

Ben, Mrs Ppozma has actually said she'd be less worried if she caught me watching porn....but I ain't got the balls to call her bluff Smile

manschesthair_utd

manschesthair_utd: Middleweight; Posts : 3763
Join date : 2009-08-15
Age : 112
Location : Singapore

Post n°39

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

manschesthair_utd Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:53 pm

big foot is a medical giant and has an advantage when it comes to chin.

anyways, i have Nog beating Rogers.

apart from that its all strikeforce.

Cain is like an inferior less refined version of Fedor, and who knows what his submission game is like? im going with Fedor....pretty much better everywhere IMO.

Junior Dos Santos would be forced to stand with Reem where although he would have a punchers chance, he would be a huge underdog.

Barnett beats Brock by being able to handle him easily on the feet and on the ground, and he is an intelligent fighter with a good gas tank when he is in shape.

Werdum/Mir could be the big upset but i think Mir will be way overconfident in his grappling...
can see Werdum winning decision or ground and pound TKO (Mir's big weakness), or even a submission.

BigFoot beats Carwin by being more technical striker, and better chin, also hits hard and is a better grappler.

cheers

Rogers could KO Nog but i think its more likely Nogueira will use his experience and drag him to the ground and submit him.

Sergei is a K1 level striker and i think he will TKO Roy, or it will go similar to the JDS fight.

Arlovski could get KOd but i think his experience will win him this striking battles.

The_Axe_Emperor

The_Axe_Emperor: Middleweight; Posts : 2071
Join date : 2010-04-29
Age : 30
Location : Northamptonshire

Post n°40

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

The_Axe_Emperor Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:55 pm

Brock has never been KO'd, Silva has. Carwin has more power than Eric Pele IMO and we all saw what Pele did to Silva.

The_Axe_Emperor

The_Axe_Emperor: Middleweight; Posts : 2071
Join date : 2010-04-29
Age : 30
Location : Northamptonshire

Post n°41

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

The_Axe_Emperor Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:56 pm

manschesthair_utd wrote:
Junior Dos Santos would be forced to stand with Reem where although he would have a punchers chance, he would be a huge underdog.

How exactly would JDS be an underdog?

manschesthair_utd

manschesthair_utd: Middleweight; Posts : 3763
Join date : 2009-08-15
Age : 112
Location : Singapore

Post n°42

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

manschesthair_utd Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:58 pm

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

manschesthair_utd wrote:
Junior Dos Santos would be forced to stand with Reem where although he would have a punchers chance, he would be a huge underdog.

How exactly would JDS be an underdog?

a guy who was getting beaten by Old Cop and couldnt finish big country Nelson, would be an underdog in a striking battle to a man who is easily one of the top 5 absolute strikers in the world.

rudeboyben84

rudeboyben84: Light Heavyweight; Posts : 6040
Join date : 2009-08-14
Age : 40
Location : Belfast

Post n°43

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

rudeboyben84 Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:59 pm

Werdum 15 : Mir 5
Carwin 14 : Bigfoot 6
Overeem 14 : JDS 6
Sergei: 14 : Nelson 6
Arlovski 13 : Schaub 7
Nog 13 : Rogers 6
Lesnar 11 : Barnett 9
Fedor 11 : Cain 9

Nice Picks Chesty, same as me other than I think Mirs size and striking means being more well rounded than Werdum... Shocked at the Bigfoot thing,

axe has a point but did Pele drop him or get him down and some unanswered GnP?

payneNglory1

payneNglory1: Middleweight; Posts : 4621
Join date : 2009-08-29
Age : 46
Location : North Carolina

Post n°44

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

payneNglory1 Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:00 pm

Fedor Emelianenko vs Cain Velasquez
I still think Fedor is the GOAT,but I think his best is behind him and Cain is the new man at HW,Cain UD

Junior Dos Santos vs Alistair Overeem
Hard not to like Overeem,but for me he is still unproven as a HW,if your best win to date is against Rogers,who I think is poor,so I'm giving this one to JDS.
Reem to gass and get clipped late into the second rd,JDS 2nd rd KO

Josh Barnett vs Brock Lesnar
I'd hate to predict this one for Barnett because I don't really like the guy

so I won't Wink

Brock UD

Fabricio Werdum vs Frank Mir
I think Mir wins the 1st rd keeping it standing,but in the second the fight will hit the deck,werdum will not sub him there because mir's sub defence will be all good,but Mir's weakest part of his game will come into effect and Werdum will gain top position and pound him out late in the second,Werdum 2nd rd TKO

Shane Carwin vs Antonio Silva
Carwin puts bigfoot straight on his back and pounds him out in brutal fashion,carwin 1st rd TKO

Brett Rogers vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Big Nog only has to aviod the Kwick fit fitters one and only weapon for the first rd,which he does,then rogers starts gassing and swinging wildly,Nog aviods a big shot by dropping to his back but dumbass rogers does a Fedor/werdum and follows him down,where Nog slaps on a choke and puts him to sleep.Nog 2nd rd sub

Sergei Kharitonov vs Roy Nelson
This one starts similar to when Roy fought Arlovski,except the ref doesn't get involved and lets Roy smother Sergei with his gut for 3 rds to get the decision,Roy UD

Andrei Arlovski vs Brendan Schaub
Andrei's chin is shot and he doesn't seem to have the killer instinct he once had,so i think schaub comes out fast,hurts Arlovski early,putting him straight on the back foot and making him tentative about exchanging,then in the second rd Schaub lands a bomb and pounces to finish with a bit of GNP,Schaub 2nd rd TKO

sunthunder

sunthunder: Welterweight; Posts : 583
Join date : 2009-08-16
Age : 37
Location : Leeds

Post n°45

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

sunthunder Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:02 pm

I'm surprised JDS carries much favour in a fight with Overeem. He's not beating Overeem on the ground and there's really no question who the better striker is. JDS defence is poor and I think his offence is too one dimensional to get through Overeem's standing guard, where as Overeem has kill shot power at every range standing.

The_Axe_Emperor

The_Axe_Emperor: Middleweight; Posts : 2071
Join date : 2010-04-29
Age : 30
Location : Northamptonshire

Post n°46

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

The_Axe_Emperor Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:06 pm

manschesthair_utd wrote:

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

manschesthair_utd wrote:
Junior Dos Santos would be forced to stand with Reem where although he would have a punchers chance, he would be a huge underdog.

How exactly would JDS be an underdog?

a guy who was getting beaten by Old Cop and couldnt finish big country Nelson, would be an underdog in a striking battle to a man who is easily one of the top 5 absolute strikers in the world.

Overeem one of the top 5 best strikers in the world? Based on what exactly?! I love Overeem but it's absolutely clear that most of you on here are extremely biased in his favour. JDS was NOT losing against Mirko, not even close! He couldn't finish Big Country because Big Country showed an incredible chin and amazing heart, through no fault of JDS's own did that fight go to a decision.

manschesthair_utd

manschesthair_utd: Middleweight; Posts : 3763
Join date : 2009-08-15
Age : 112
Location : Singapore

Post n°47

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

manschesthair_utd Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:07 pm

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:Brock has never been KO'd, Silva has. Carwin has more power than Eric Pele IMO and we all saw what Pele did to Silva.

Brock was KOd in his last fight. silent

ok it was a TKO but so was bigfoots loss. and that would have put down a rhino IIRC.

manschesthair_utd

manschesthair_utd: Middleweight; Posts : 3763
Join date : 2009-08-15
Age : 112
Location : Singapore

Post n°48

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

manschesthair_utd Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:07 pm

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

manschesthair_utd wrote:

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

manschesthair_utd wrote:
Junior Dos Santos would be forced to stand with Reem where although he would have a punchers chance, he would be a huge underdog.

How exactly would JDS be an underdog?

a guy who was getting beaten by Old Cop and couldnt finish big country Nelson, would be an underdog in a striking battle to a man who is easily one of the top 5 absolute strikers in the world.

Overeem one of the top 5 best strikers in the world? Based on what exactly?! I love Overeem but it's absolutely clear that most of you on here are extremely biased in his favour. JDS was NOT losing against Mirko, not even close! He couldn't finish Big Country because Big Country showed an incredible chin and amazing heart, through no fault of JDS's own did that fight go to a decision.

based on his results in K1 in the last 2 years. Neutral

where do you rank Hari in the worlds top strikers BTW?

Last edited by manschesthair_utd on Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:12 pm; edited 1 time in total

sunthunder

sunthunder: Welterweight; Posts : 583
Join date : 2009-08-16
Age : 37
Location : Leeds

Post n°49

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

sunthunder Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:10 pm

rudeboyben84 wrote:Werdum 15 : Mir 5
Carwin 14 : Bigfoot 6
Overeem 14 : JDS 6
Sergei: 14 : Nelson 6
Arlovski 13 : Schaub 7
Nog 13 : Rogers 6
Lesnar 11 : Barnett 9
Fedor 11 : Cain 9

Nice Picks Chesty, same as me other than I think Mirs size and striking means being more well rounded than Werdum... Shocked at the Bigfoot thing,

axe has a point but did Pele drop him or get him down and some unanswered GnP?

I agree, Bigfoot isn't getting a fair shake of the stick here. I think people are generally really over-rating Carwin as a striker. This is a guy who looked extremely uncomfortable on the feet with Neil Wain before he took him down. Gonzaga clipped him hard twice. Even in the Mir fight, Carwin just mauled him against the cage, he didn't catch him flush whilst standing.

I don't really see Bigfoot as a guy Carwin can just take down and run through on the ground if he feels like it. Bigfoot has a decent guard, as opposed to Lesnar who has no guard at all. Plus Bigfoot can box and fight past the first round.

Anfields5thKing

Anfields5thKing: Light Heavyweight; Posts : 6519
Join date : 2009-08-15

Post n°50

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Anfields5thKing Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:17 pm

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

manschesthair_utd wrote:
Junior Dos Santos would be forced to stand with Reem where although he would have a punchers chance, he would be a huge underdog.

How exactly would JDS be an underdog?

Because Overeem is a K1 level striker and JDS is not. It's very simple. Overeem is a bigger, better version of JDS.

THE ARMBAR

SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Re: SF vs UFC Heavyweight 16 man GP round 1

Similar topics

Similar topics