The Overlooked Hall of Famer....

KIYOSHI TAMURA

32/13/3 (13SUb/5KO)



Beat Sakuraba (Saku Champ!) Funaki (Armbar HOF'er) and Maurice Smith (UFC Hw Champ), 1st man to beat Renzo Gracie, Beat Jeremy Horn and Pat Miletich (UFC Ww Champ), Minowaman twice (HUPERHLUK champ!!), V.Overeem, Mikhail Illoukhine etc..

Oh and Drew with F.Shammy (UFC Lhw Champ, King of Pancrase and Armbar HOF'er!!! )

Up and down the weights beating Welters to Heavies.

One of the 1st successfull catch wrestlers in MMA, for an old school guy he could Strike especially Kick well, A good Wrestler and Knew his subs. A Catchwrestler throwing headkicks around when Severn had just started is something special back then I think.

Watch from 7:33 to see him whooping ass in slow motion to cool Music


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


























Be Cool to see an Article on who people think has been overlooked and Cool HL Video will always help the case! I think there are a few old legends who are overlooked and a few new guys who have really allready enough to get in...



I can think of at least one person who will agree with that on here!

I approve of this thread. Tamura is one of the most under-rated fighters of his generation. He drew with prime Frank Shamrock, not like when Kondo knocked him out in 96.

Few suggestions;



One of the earliest pioneers, gave a beat down to the greatest boxer of all time,






More for impact than anything else,






Dont know why you've left this guy out!?!







Fuck sake, thats all i got for you at the minute cos my laptops playing up! I have a few more in mind though, i'll get them up soon.

coleman should be in there, i remember doing the picture thing of Coleman.

Does Tamura fit in with the entry criteria for the HoF though?

I can think of at least one person who will agree with that on here!

Could you be talking about me?

I think at this point it would take the biggest decline in MMA history for GSP not to get in, and I do think he has done enough. I don't think its too early to already suggest he is the GOAT at WW and now I think its just about securing his legacy. Personally I think he has done enough but I wouldn't be surprised if other people thought he hasn't quite done it yet. I definitley think if he wins his next two fights which will be against Kos and we all assume Shields, that he should be able to get in.

As for Tamura, I think he is a very good fighter but lets break down his victories. He beat Saku when Saku was a long way past his best. He had just been knocked silly by Manhoef who he would have tapped in his sleep during his prime. He was finished as a top fighter when he fought Tamura and had basically just taken too many brutal shots to the head.

Funaki was even further past his peak when they fought. About 10 years past his best. Funaki really was pretty much retired when they fought and he only fought once more after Tamura beat him before he called it a day. Not to mention he had lost twice before Tamura faced him and that was his second fight in SEVEN years. You can't give Tamura the same credit for beating Funaki as say F Shamrock or Bas Rutten.

Maurice Smith wasn't really a great fighter was he? I appreciate he was a former UFC HW champion. But he has a losing record, the only UFC champion in history to have one and when you look at his record, he only has 2 or 3 good wins and those fighters were in terrible form as well. Before he lost to Tamura he also lost 4 in a row.

Militech was a good win but he was just about to exit his prime. I love Jeremy Horn but lets be fair, a win over him doesn't really warrant you a place in the HOF. Otherwise we would have garbage like Sinosic and Santiago being suggested. I also think this was before Horn entered his prime, he was still quite raw as a fighter. I know not in terms of fights, because he already had over 40 (which is nothing for Horn ) but he was still not at his best.

With Minowa its pretty much an identical situation as Horn. Minowa was nowhere near the fighter he is now when he fought Tamura, really Minowa became such a great figther after 2009. Look at some of the losses he had before and you can see a win over him isn't all that impressive. He was sparked by Min-Soo Kim!

To be fair to Tamura alot of the opponents that have beaten him have been top fighters but he does have a few losses to cans and journeymen.

Personally I wouldn't be entirley opposes if Tamura were to come into the armbar HOF and I certinly wouldn't onject if you want to bring him in as a pioner sort of guy but I don't think he entirley deserves it based on his record.


Axe- Mark Coleman is already in mate.

coleman is already a hall of famer. on that pic he is tremendous shape for 45 shame his gas tank only lasts 2 minutes.

Who'd you suggest Axe? Cant see the Pics in work

Yeah Chesty he doesnt meet all the criteria but was before his time technique wise and although he didnt hold a belt he beat numberous champs and HOF'ers.... Id say thats enough...

Yeah Chelsea I think GSP should already be in. I dont know how someone could really argue. Guy is top p4p on the sport now and has been top 3 for a few years. Cleared out his devision nearly twice now! One of the most well rounded champs in MMA history and beat HOF'ers... id say he ticks most boxes!

i agree GSP is hall of famer in the future, i get the feeling though he is going to lose soon maybe not in next fight.

the argument against putting GSP in is simply that the general consensus is that his best days are not yet behind him.

this seperates him from the rest of the hall of fame...of the currently ranked HOFers i think BJ and Anderson have had thoughts about retirement, I don't think Wand, Nog or Gomi will see #1 status again, hopeful of gomi of course

Antonio Inoki and Rickson Gracie.

inoki is and isnt a hall of famer as he is pro wretler and leg kicked mo ali. mate you cannot be serious with him.

He's one of the earliest pioneers. And yes, i am serious.



Christ King youre absolutely dominating the forum tonight aren't you!

so what if i have alot to say axe but if inoki is to be in there then sure brock does pro wrestler turned mma fighter champ in modern day.

Oh, sorry, didn't know you were so touchy about it...


And no, thats such an ignorant statement. Brock has done nothing for the sport except make it more money, Inoki was one of the first wrestlers to enter MMA and be successful.

also inoki while i dont disagree was a pioneer of the sport fought alot of boxers ali, spinks, wepner and so, do you not think if randy did this after the toney fight it would not be the same result.

regardless of when it happened, mma guys wrestle boxers punch.

im not touchy mate i like a debate but inoki was at a time when boxers boxed and mma as a whole was very different to each other, hall of famers now should only consist of modern mixed martial artests not from pre 1993

What are you talking about?


What has Couture, in the modern day, got to do with anything? Couture showed that boxers will, 99% of the time, lose in an MMA fight.

Inoki proved over 25 years ago that boxers have no business being in an MMA fight, Couture only reiterated that point.

im on about same point as you read back mate. im just saying mma has moved on a fair bit since inoki fought ali. thats the only point im making. not weather he is eligable or not.

the_king wrote:im not touchy mate i like a debate but inoki was at a time when boxers boxed and mma as a whole was very different to each other, hall of famers now should only consist of modern mixed martial artests not from pre 1993

Yeah fair enough i was just joshing



And why have HOF'ers got to be post-1993? It's not like MMA was invented in 1993, sure it got more mainstream coverage then, but it wasn't the start of it all.

mate read my last post. im not saying mma was invented in 1993 but as far as main stream goes it might as well be. i agree inoki is worth a place but most of his record is boxers. lets agree to diagree.

I wouldn't say Inoki is deserving of a place. The Ali fight was a freakshow and many of his other fights were works.

How many fighters since have you seen laying on their backs for 15 minutes kicking their opponents legs?

Moose, like King has just said, MMA has moved on a lot since. At the time it was a big thing.


How many fighters have you seen pulling guard and instantly submitting opponents (ala Gracie)... just because its not effective anymore, doesn't mean it wasnt at the time.

im defending axe now lol.

there are pioneers and inoki is one of them. but for hall of fame status now we need to include the current modern day mma fighters. inoki vs ali was just wrestler v boxer.

on of the basis on which you can be put in the HoF is being a pioneer.

for example Josh Koscheck would probably kick Royce Gracie's ass, but clearly Royce is in the HoF and Josh is not...
so the Randy vs Toney comparison does not really hold.


edit: here it is

Fighters can be added based on the following things,

.Titles (Major Title are considered would be UFC, Strikeforce, Pride, Shoto, Pancrase)

.Undefeated Streaks

.Wins over top class fighters

.P4p - Going up and down weight classes is a bonus if your a smaller man who has beat guys in weight classes above him thats a plus point.

.Contribution to MMA - Older fighers may not have the same "names" on their record but if they revolutionarised a style or helped MMA become the sport it is today they should be given credit.

i suppose axe gets inoki then, i never disagreed honest lol