. Fedor Emelianenko: 32/1*/0 (16 Sub, 9 KO)


. Kazushi Sakuraba: 26/12/1 (18 Sub, 3 KO)


. Royce Gracie: 14/3/3 (12 Sub, 0 KO)


. Randy Couture: 18/10/0 (2 Sub, 7 KO)


. Matt Hughes: 44/7/0 (18 Sub, 15 KO)


. Wanderlei Silva: 33/10/1 (4 Sub, 22 KO)


. Frank Shamrock: 23/10/2 (13 Sub, 3 KO)


. Dan Henderson: 25/8/0 (1 Sub, 11 KO)


. B.J. Penn: 15/6/1 (6 Sub, 5 KO)


. Dan Severn: 93/16/7 (54 Sub, 14 KO)


. Mirko Filipovic: 26/7/2 (3 Sub, 20 KO)


. Chuck Liddell: 21/7/0 (1 sub, 14 KO)


. Bas Rutten: 28/4/1 (13 Sub, 12 KO)


. Anderson Silva: 25/4/0 (4 Sub, 15 KO)


. Masakatsu Funaki: 38/12/1 (33 Sub, 4 KO)


. Mark Coleman: 16/9/0 (8 Sub, 4 KO)


. Takanori Gomi: 30/5/0 (6 Sub, 11 KO)


. Ken Shamrock: 27/13/2 (23 Sub, 2 KO)


. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira: 32/5/1 (19 Sub, 3 KO)


. Josh Barnett: 24/5/0 (15 Sub, 5 KO)



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Rules of the Hall of Fame,

Fighters can be added based on the following things,

.Titles (Major Title are considered would be UFC, Strikeforce, Pride, Shoto, Pancrase)

.Undefeated Streaks

.Wins over top class fighters

.P4p - Going up and down weight classes is a bonus if your a smaller man who has beat guys in weight classes above him thats a plus point.

.Contribution to MMA - Older fighers may not have the same "names" on their record but if they revolutionarised a style or helped MMA become the sport it is today they should be given credit.

There are not exact figures to measure people but if you make a suggestion please make a case to back it up. Cheers!

Tito Ortiz for sure, maybe Frye as well. BJ will go down as a HOFer think but I still feel like he has a bit to prove in the LW (and only the LW) division. If he beats a few more top contenders, he should be in. I know I might be biased but I think GSP will end up as a HOFer as well (UFC and our one ) He has 8 KOs and 5 subs, I think he will add to that before he is finished. With 2 WW and 1 interim title reigns already and 3 defenses, he could be on his way.

Yeah GSP's career would really have to take a turn fore the worse for him not to get into the HOF... I tend to put fighters who are retired or towards the end of their career in... GSP will go in but not this young. BJ the same maby will wait to see if he wins more...

So Yes to Tito and Maby to Frye? Titos career is still going and with a few losses if it doesnt finish well I dont think he is HOF material... he came up short against Randy Couture, Frank Shamrock, Machida and Chuck Liddell. I think he also lost to Belfort although I cant get a hold of that full fight. I also think that he was lucky to beat Wandy... But a win is a win I suppose.

Tito has beat who convincingly? He beat Forrest by SD, Belfort by SD, His fight with Wandy he was rocked but it was UD... Shamrock wasnt a big win in any way, Cote maby? Cut Cote is a Mw, Tanner Wasnt a top guy, Guy Mezger he beat but they are 1-1 with each other and Mezger finished Tito a lot quicker than Tito finished him. Matyushenko maby? Tito may have been a UFC champ but he hasnt done enough to make me feel he is a Hall of Famer, especially if his career goes down hill from here. I dont think his Early career is spectacular enough to out him in with the greats... Especially when you consider he was ducking Chuck when holding the Title....

Im not Sold on Tito at all... Don Frye was a real inovater in MMA a real old school legend and a really likeable guy but at 20-7-1 He hasnt had a spectacular career, he lost to the likes of Minowa, James Thompson, Drew with Warpath!! Lost to Yoshihiro "Kiss" Nakao, Gary Goodridge, Coleman twice, Hidehiko Yoshida

Fryes wins, Shamrock, Tank, Gilbert Yvel (which was a DQ win) Goodridge (By "Fatigue") Cyril Abidi... thats a stretch! His legendary fight with Takayama seems less impressive when you cinsider Takayama is 0-4 in MMA and got armbarred by Sapp!! Akibono had only 1 win in his whole K-1/MMA career.... Frye has faced some terrible opponents. Im a really big fan of his but If you break down his career he really doesnt stack up

Ye honestly I haven't seen That much of Frye in his earlier days so looking at his record it doesn't look impressive. As for Tito his record isn't glittered with impressive results but when you look at it, The Janitor is a good win, Belfort is a good win, Wandy is a good win, Cote is a decent win, Tanner (RIP) at the time was a good win, Mezger is a good win, Forrest is a good win and many people thought he beat Rashad, it was considered a draw. Its a pretty good list, even if there are some contreversal wins, however when you add the fact that he 6 time defending LHW champion and he was one of the pioners after the initial pioners of the sport. He was the first superstar, Heel, fan favoutite in the sport, he was the first big name. If Ken Shamrock is a HOFer then Tito is the best ever, obviosly not the case but you see my point. When Tito dismantled Shamrock (for arguments sake lets just consider the 1st time) Tito was the new and Shammy was the old. Tito anhilated Shamrock brutally, he beat him everywhere and that was the begining of the new MMA fighter. Tito is now of the old as well, look at the Machida fight for evidence but he was the first new fighter.

Hmmm perhaps, If others would like to see Tito in, Id be happy he is close to it.. But I feel at his age he could still really screw his legacy up, Like I said I dont think he has done enough yet... A reasonabally good rest of his career and Id stick him in the HOf for sure, but what if Coleman beats him down badly? Would he still be a great?

Shammy in his day was a killer, he beat Masakatsu Funaki twice (fellow HOF'er) Bas Rutten twice (Fellow HOF'er) Drew with Gracie (fellow HOF'er) after the match went 36mins and there were no Scorecards back in the day! Perhaps a moral win like Wandys 'draw' with Crocop was... you only have to look at Gracies face after the fight (also drew with Taktarov but kept his title because of same rules) Anyway getting off track he beat Dan Severn (fellow HOF'er)... By the time Tito beat him even in the 1st fight he had already lost to Don Frye and Ironhead Fujita... he clearly was past his best... Thats 5 or 6 wins over fellow HOF'ers depending on how you saw the Gracie fight or if you want to be official!

Titos win over him dont mean much, the 1st one was granted a decent win.... but nothing to write home about. Shammy was aproaching 40 and has a fighter that Peaked early... It was like Larry Holmes' win over Ali... sure its great to beat Ali and sure Larry is a great figher but it really depends when a fight happens in someones career (sorry if your not a boxing fan and that comparison makes no sence!!)

Tito for me still needs to prove himself in my eyes but Id be very interested to see if others see it differently.

Genki Sudo? has wins over Nate Marquardt,Mike thomas brown and for what its worth ramon dekkers and butterbean and always had crazy entrances

I agree he could still screw up his legacy, if he comes in and loses all his fights in the UFC he will have screwed up. I see him beating Coleman who is a fellow HOFer so that could make his case stronger. If he loses and gets his ass kicked, well then my whole point will become invalid. I don't see him being a threat in the division, I think guys like Bader, Jones, Cane and Franklin would all beat him so we don't even need to consider Shogun, Rampage and god forbid a Machida rematch. I think he should try avoid becoming a gatekeeper somehow and take the big, big fights against older competition like Coleman or a rematch with the Janitor. There is no need for him take on young athletes like Bader, Jones and Cane.

Also ye I agree the victory over Shammy was virtually worthless, I don't dispute that however my point was that it was a changing of the torch and the start of a change for MMA. I haven't always thought that Tito deserves this recognition but for some reason i've changed my mind. He was for a time the poster boy of the UFC.

(sorry if your not a boxing fan and that comparison makes no sence!!)

Im not a huge boxing fan but I do know who Ali and Holmes are! Not fair to even compare Ali to Shamrock.

yeah Sudo rocks! a really good figher, I didnt actually know he beat Nate!!! I take it that was in Pancrase? I think he would just fall shy of the hall of fame in my eyes anyway, I was always carefull to keep the standard very high, If it slipped a little lower then why not Carlos Newton? Pat Miletich? Jeremy Horn? Renzo Gracie? I dont know, Ill keep him and Tito as possibilities and if others agree they will go in for sure... Maby I just dont like him because he beat Butterbean! lol! Ive always been a Bean fan!! But yeah we will see what others think... whats your view on Tito? Yay or Nay?

Speaking of the gracies what about Rickson Gracie? He is only 11-0 in MMA but some say he was the best fighter ever... Mostly himself but a few others too!!

i wouldnt put tito in just yet i think he needs a few more good wins to cement his legacy see how he does in this run in the ufc then talk about putting him in

ChelseaQuinsfan! haha forgot you were a boxing fan!! I dont like Shammy or Ali. But good point about Tito being the posterboy and the passing of the torch... I suppose he was top dog for a while. If he gets passed Coleman ill add him I reckon, At least he will have added anoter shot legend to his record!! I just have a badf feeling he could flop in UFC and we will have added a guy who just doesnt really stack up to the rest....

Ill either wait till he beats Coleman or someone tells me im Bios and ol' Melonhead diserves to be in... what you think of Rickson to be added?

Rickson Gracie hmmm, haha, TBH i like him, he seems like a nice guy but his arrogance for an old man is incredible. I remember we discussed him on 606 not too long ago, something about how he would beat Lesner and Fedor with ease. He is 11-0 (in his mind 400-0) but I don't think his record warrants a position in the HOF. He has done loads for the sport and I wish he was 27-28 nowadays to see how he would do. He certainly has the charisma to hype up fights. His levels of BJJ are incredible, 8th degree which is an incredible achievement however he hasn't done enough in MMA to be considered HOF material.

As for Tito, I agree Coleman is make or break.

How about "Mach" Sakurai? I don't know a lot about the earlier days of MMA but it's a name I hear quite a lot of....

If your criteria include what they have done outside the cage, then I would go for Pat Miletich. I reckon he did a lot for Matt Hughes and I believe his own fighting career suffered when Hughes became champ. His autobiography is a bloody good read!!!

Does Barnett really deserve a place on a Hall of Fame considering his drugs record. I think stuff like that discredits you and your sport and would not include him. Same goes for K Shamrock in my opinion, doesn't mean they were not good but they screwed up and their records are tarnished.

what about Takanori Gomi he was the shooto ww champ and the pride lw champ has wins over jens pulver,marcus aurelio,Tatsuya Kawajiri,hayato sakurai and duane ludwig also has the fastest ko in pride history 6 seconds ko with knees against ralph gracie. has an impressive record of 30wins with only 5 losses think he deserves a shout here

Miletich is a name i would like to see in there.

one of my all-time favourite fighters, one of the first fighters to be well versed in every aspect. first UFC welterweight and lightweight champion, defended his belt 4 times and trained some of the greats Jens Pulver, Matt Hughes and Ti.... did i say Pulver?

Mach Sakurai was another of the first well rounded fighters, dunno if hes done enough to be in there, he has beaten some great names, maybe id have him in there if hed won the gp the other week.

Saying Mark Coleman is "make or break" is wrong, he would be one of the first five names to put in there, top 3-5 of the greatesst ever heavys
[list][*]Invented ground and pound
The prototype for all future wrestlers to be successful in MMA
First UFC heavyweight champion despite what Ken tells us.
First PRIDE champion in the most remarkable carreer turn around to date defeating the 33-1 Igor.
Oldest man to win a fight in the octagon.

I dont think getting caught for drugs should be a tarnish on a HOF reputation, there are probably 5-10 guys on there who have roided including people who have actually been caught for it in Royce. Barnetts acheivments sneak him in for me.

As for Tito, major props for carrying MMA in north america in the so-called "dark days" but hes lost to all the HOF class fighters hes ever faced (apart from a very old chinny shamrock, who shouldnt have been fighting a top guy) Couture, Chuck twice and Frank Shamrock who was 200 lbs soaking wet even in his peak. he had about a 30 lb advantage in that fight if not more. so its doubtful whether or not he gets i, a successful return would secure his place.


p.s.. Gomi should be in there for sure, one of my all time favourites agian.