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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:11 am



    Chael Sonnen's Q & A session with UFC fans was everything that people were hoping for, and then some. Here are some high points.

    On Anderson Silva: "Is Anderson here somewhere? I'll kick his ass from Austin all the way to San Antonio.

    "People keep saying, 'Chael, you're hyping the fight.' No I'm not. Hyping a fight is when I tell you guys, 'This is going to be a great fight.' I did just the opposite (before the first fight), and I'm going to do just the opposite now. This is not going to be a great fight. This is going to be him getting beat up for 25 minutes or until he gives up."

    "I think [Silva] is a great fighter, but he's not as good as me. He's not as good as Yushin Okami, either. He's not the best guy in the world, and he never has been. He's a sham. He's one of these guys that throws leg kicks. So what if you get get kicked in your leg? What a bunch of [crying]. Getting kicked in the leg and admitting that hurts is like admitting you're scared in the dark. It may be true, but if you say it, you're a real wimp."

    On Georges St-Pierre: "'GSP' had better pray to heaven above that 'Shogun' accepts my challenge because one of those two is getting beat up,"

    'If GSP said he wanted to fight me, the first thing I would say is the same thing I say every time I hear GSP talk: 'Dang it that guy sounds like a French-Canadian Minnie Mouse. That's the first thing I'd say. Then I'd say, 'Hey, GSP, let me ask you a serious question – do you have a designated driver? Do you have someone to get you home safely? Because clearly you are intoxicated.

    "'GSP, do you have a hankering for pain? GSP, did you lose a bet with God? GSP, bring your $3,000 suit, bring your $3 date and get the three-cent tan knocked off your socialist back.' If you see GSP, give him that message for me."

    On Brock Lesnar: "If Brock Lesnar was here right now, I'd take my boot off and throw it at him, and he'd better polish it up before he brings it back to me. Talking about he's the baddest guy in the UFC? Brock, quit eating so many raw eggs and doing push-ups because it's affecting your realm of reality. Are you kidding me? I'd slap you in your face, and you wouldn't do anything.

    "'I'm Brock Lesnar. I've got this $5 haircut and a knife tattooed on my chest.' I'll shove it up your face if you get in Chael Sonnen's way."

    He also had a poem written especially for Anderson Silva:

    "Anderson, who you gonna send?"

    Anderson, think it through.
    There's still a few months before they lock the cage door behind me and you.
    Last time, they raised your hand, but it was plain to see
    I took a lot more about of you than you took out of me.
    I broke the mirror, and I blew away the smoke.
    It was me who tapped, but it was you who broke.

    -Chael Sonnen

    Nice to see the defeat humbled him a little.

    I did find the GSP sounding like a french minie mouse and everything about Lesnar kind of funny. With that said he is getting carried away, calling out Shogun? Really? Sounds like he's the one who has a hankering for pain.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:21 am

    I used to hate this guy, now i can't get enough of him. I just think he's brilliant and why should he let getting tapped humble him. Fact is he went in and beat the shit out of Anderson Silva for 23 minutes, and while Silva might have won the "contest", Sonnen won the "fight". The rematch will be interesting.

    The GSP and Lesnar stuff is brilliant.

    And in fairness to him, if he wanted to take Shogun down and keep him, there's not much Shogun could do about it.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:36 am

    Yeah he is a funny guy.

    I wasn't actually suggesting that he should be more humble, in a way its nice to see him stick to what he's been saying. And its funny as hell, but personally if I lost the embarrasing way he did. Losing in the last two minutes because he got careless after dominating the entire fight, I would hold back a little.

    I think I'm actually going to pick him to win the rematch though.

    I think Sonnen could Shogun down, albeit with the risk of eating a right hand or a big knee and going to sleep but Shogun is very hard to control. With the amount of times Sonnen's been tapped, I don't like his chances at all against Shogun. Outmatched completely standing ofcoarse.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:17 am

    Silva's a better striker than Shogun and Sonnen did ok in the stand-up. Silva was injured in fairness but Sonnen can handle himself.

    Never seen Shogun try a submission off his back to be fair, his top game is strong but not his bottom game. And Sonnen is much better at controlling people than anyone Shogun has ever faced.

    If Sonnen handled the weight gain, i'd back him to beat Shogun. I think Evans is going to beat Shogun so it won't matter much.
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    Post  the_king Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:11 am

    i hope silva in the re-match.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:41 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:Never seen Shogun try a submission off his back to be fair...



    What about the Omaplata in the Coleman rematch? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:52 pm

    Silva's a better striker than Shogun and Sonnen did ok in the stand-up. Silva was injured in fairness but Sonnen can handle himself.

    Never seen Shogun try a submission off his back to be fair, his top game is strong but not his bottom game. And Sonnen is much better at controlling people than anyone Shogun has ever faced.

    If Sonnen handled the weight gain, i'd back him to beat Shogun. I think Evans is going to beat Shogun so it won't matter much.

    Silva is a slightly better striker but he always leaves his hands down because of his arrogance. Normally he doesn't need to keep them up because of his head movement but that was non-existent in the Sonnen fight so he landed a few good shots. Sonnen won't get those shots against Shogun.

    Shogun as well has destroyed much better strikers than anyone Silva or Sonnen have ever faced.

    Shogun is one of the best in terms of escaping from the bottom, he easily got out of Machida controlling him. I know Machida isn't the wrestler Sonnen is but he still is a BB and an excellent all round grappler. No problems for SHogun though.

    Shogun has beaten better wrestlers than Sonnen and better grapplers. At times he out grappled Lil Nog and he easily beat Arona. He has beaten destroyed much better strikers than Sonnen as well.

    I give Evans a decent chance but he won't be able to Wall N Stall and LnP his way to victory, and Evans always leaves his chin open. Rampage and Silva took advantage of that but they couldn't finish. Shogun will.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:54 pm

    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:
    Silva's a better striker than Shogun and Sonnen did ok in the stand-up. Silva was injured in fairness but Sonnen can handle himself.

    Never seen Shogun try a submission off his back to be fair, his top game is strong but not his bottom game. And Sonnen is much better at controlling people than anyone Shogun has ever faced.

    If Sonnen handled the weight gain, i'd back him to beat Shogun. I think Evans is going to beat Shogun so it won't matter much.

    Silva is a slightly better striker but he always leaves his hands down because of his arrogance. Normally he doesn't need to keep them up because of his head movement but that was non-existent in the Sonnen fight so he landed a few good shots. Sonnen won't get those shots against Shogun.

    Shogun as well has destroyed much better strikers than anyone Silva or Sonnen have ever faced.

    Shogun is one of the best in terms of escaping from the bottom, he easily got out of Machida controlling him. I know Machida isn't the wrestler Sonnen is but he still is a BB and an excellent all round grappler. No problems for SHogun though.

    Shogun has beaten better wrestlers than Sonnen and better grapplers. At times he out grappled Lil Nog and he easily beat Arona. He has beaten destroyed much better strikers than Sonnen as well.

    I give Evans a decent chance but he won't be able to Wall N Stall and LnP his way to victory, and Evans always leaves his chin open. Rampage and Silva took advantage of that but they couldn't finish. Shogun will.

    If you can name for me the better wrestlers than Sonnen that Shogun has beaten i'd be hugely interested. Other than Randleman he's never faced anyone of Sonnen's level, and Randleman wasn't nearly as good a fighter as Shogun. And probably not as good a wrestler either.

    Getting out from under Machida, a stand-up fighter who can fight on the ground, and Sonnen who's the best wrestler in all of MMA right now, are two completely different things.

    What has Shogun beaten strikers got to do with anything??

    "Sonnen won't get those shots against Shogun". Really?? Shogun is not at all hard to hit. He's got a great chin but he's not hard to hit.
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    If you can name for me the better wrestlers than Sonnen that Shogun has beaten i'd be hugely interested. Other than Randleman he's never faced anyone of Sonnen's level, and Randleman wasn't nearly as good a fighter as Shogun. And probably not as good a wrestler either.

    Getting out from under Machida, a stand-up fighter who can fight on the ground, and Sonnen who's the best wrestler in all of MMA right now, are two completely different things.

    What has Shogun beaten strikers got to do with anything??

    "Sonnen won't get those shots against Shogun". Really?? Shogun is not at all hard to hit. He's got a great chin but he's not hard to hit.

    I was talking about Randleman ofc, who is a better wrestler than Sonnen. Coleman is a similar level to Sonnen but to be fair he was past it. Obviously Randleman is better wrestler than Shogun and obviously nowhere hear him as a fighter. But what does that have to do with anything?

    True but im just saying when you consider how talented a grappler Machida is, its quite amazing to see how easily Shogun escaped. And Machida is not the only good grappler he has done that too.

    It shows that Sonnen can't handle himself standing with Shogun. If he tried to stand and bang with Shogun he would go to sleep. Simple.

    He's not hard to hit if your a top striker which Sonnen is not. And Shogun isn't dumb enough to keep his hands down and chin up in the air for all to hit.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:44 am

    First of all, Sonnen is just as good as Randleman. The only man to compete in FOUR NCAA div 1 championship matches AND a world silver medalist. Sonnen is every bit as good as Randleman, and Greco is more effective in MMA than Freestyle. And the Randleman fight took place in a ring, not a cage. Cage is completely aimed at being beneficial to wrestlers, Ring suits strikers. Coleman's not close to Sonnen.

    Machida is a stand-up fighter who has a good grappling game. Grappling and controlling are different things. Being able to get a fight to the ground, and being able to work submissions is one thing. Being able to nullify your opponent and keep them where you want them is something else.

    Sonnen has never been KO'd, has a good chin and has solid boxing. It's irrelevant anyway because he wouldn't stand with him. He'd simply set up a takedown, get the fight down and get to work.

    Sonnen has easily good enough boxing to land on Shogun. Coleman and Griffin. Neither are elite level strikers, both had a lot of success against Shogun. Sonnen is a better striker than either.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:46 am

    Oh, and i meant that Randleman wasn't as good a fighter as Sonnen, not Shogun.
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    Post  sunthunder Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:20 am

    I'll throw something controversial out and say Arona of 2005 is a better wrestler than Randleman, and a better grappler in every way than Sonnen. Shogun would make Sonnen eat his words about leg kicks. And tap him on the ground.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:59 am

    Arona?? As an allround grappler, yes he's possibly better than Sonnen, but not close as a wrestler or in terms of control.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:00 am

    Sonnen was a NCAA Division I All-American wrestler, two-time University National Champion in Greco Roman, and a US Olympic team alternate as far as I know.

    Randleman was a two time Division I NCAA Champion and a 4 time All-American, and one time considered one of the best wrestlers in the US as far as I know.

    Randleman's style is collegiate wrestling and it is much more effective in MMA than Greco-Roman. Disagree? Well we have Lesnar,Carwin, Koscheck, Fitch and Askren who use it today in MMA.

    Randleman is the better wrestler, Randleman is the best wrestler of all time in MMA.

    Coleman is an olympian, how can he not be close to SOnnen? In terms of pure wrestling he was ahead of Sonnen as well.

    Fair point about the ring and cage though.

    I know its different, but it shows how good a grappler Shogun is when he can outgrapple guys like Machida so effortlessly.

    Solid boxing isn't going to help. He has been outstruck by loads of average fighters as well.

    He was injured against Griffin and just poor against Coleman, those aren't true reflections of Shogun. Griffin is a better striker than Sonnen. He had big reach on Shogun and he has beaten Sonnen before as well.

    I don't think Arona is a better wrestler than Randleman but he is much better grappler than Sonnen.
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    Post  sunthunder Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:11 am

    Arona is the ultimate in terms of control. If you can have 13 ADCC fights against guys like Einemo, Saulo Ribeiro and JJ Machado and never give away a point, that shows there is possibly no better pure control fighter in the history of ADCC. Sonnen would get embarrassed in ADCC.

    He manhandled Monson, Kerr, Tito, Fedor and Henderson.

    The best wrestlers Sonnen has faced are Okami, Marquardt, Miller and Prangley.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:20 am

    sunthunder wrote:Arona is the ultimate in terms of control. If you can have 13 ADCC fights against guys like Einemo, Saulo Ribeiro and JJ Machado and never give away a point, that shows there is possibly no better pure control fighter in the history of ADCC. Sonnen would get embarrassed in ADCC.

    He manhandled Monson, Kerr, Tito, Fedor and Henderson.

    The best wrestlers Sonnen has faced are Okami, Marquardt, Miller and Prangley.




    Hardly manhandled them.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:35 am

    Being injured and poor doesn't affect head movement.

    He didn't outgrapple Machida AT ALL. He got taken down with ease. Getting back up is a lot easier than taking someone down if neither of you are wrestlers.

    Sonnen is a multi-time all american, 2 time national champion, 2 national runner up. Now, just to repeat, for FOUR straight years he was one of the top 2 wrestlers in the country in his weight class.

    You are, as usual, completely wrong about Randleman's style of wrestling. He's a free style wrestler, not a traditional collegiate wrestler. Traditional collegiate wrestling is known as folkstyle. Everyone in college wrestles the same style you complete numpty. If they wish to compete internationally, or in other competitions they then make a decision on whether to go freestyle or greco. You didn't even know how good Randleman was until I told you anyway! You had no idea what he'd won or how many times he'd been an all-american. Sonnen's college accomplishments match, if not outrank Randlemans and his silver medal at the world championships is more impressive than being an Olympian who didn't medal, or an Olympic alternative. Sonnen is the best wrestler in MMA and only Askren can compare to him. Just because he gave Nate the average a beating it's no reason to try and discredit him. And you shouldn't try to debate wrestling when you know very little about it.

    Coleman's not even in the discussion.

    Fitch is a greco-wrestler, have you ever watched him fight??. As are; Couture, Severn, Frye, Henderson, Lindland, Shields, Maynard and now Askren, who has seen the error of his ways following his olympic disaster, is wrestling a greco style. Greco is more effective in MMA. Would you like to compare championships won??


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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:36 am

    The_Axe_Emperor wrote:
    sunthunder wrote:Arona is the ultimate in terms of control. If you can have 13 ADCC fights against guys like Einemo, Saulo Ribeiro and JJ Machado and never give away a point, that shows there is possibly no better pure control fighter in the history of ADCC. Sonnen would get embarrassed in ADCC.

    He manhandled Monson, Kerr, Tito, Fedor and Henderson.

    The best wrestlers Sonnen has faced are Okami, Marquardt, Miller and Prangley.

    He didn't manhandle them at all.




    Hardly manhandled them.
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    Post  sunthunder Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:36 am

    He was able to get very clean takedowns against all. He mauled Henderson for example, clean double legged Fedor multiple times.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:39 am

    sunthunder wrote:Arona is the ultimate in terms of control. If you can have 13 ADCC fights against guys like Einemo, Saulo Ribeiro and JJ Machado and never give away a point, that shows there is possibly no better pure control fighter in the history of ADCC. Sonnen would get embarrassed in ADCC.

    He manhandled Monson, Kerr, Tito, Fedor and Henderson.

    The best wrestlers Sonnen has faced are Okami, Marquardt, Miller and Prangley.

    You are attempting to use ADCC as your argument for control IN AN MMA FIGHT?? Really??

    Those fights that you, incorrectly, claim he manhandled such an impressive list. NONE of them took place in 2005. Your argument was 2005. Perhaps you have something(anything?) to back that up??
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:41 am

    sunthunder wrote:He was able to get very clean takedowns against all. He mauled Henderson for example, clean double legged Fedor multiple times.

    That's not manhandling! What Rampage did to Arona, that was manhandling. What Lesnar did to Herring. That's manhandling.

    He lost a grappling battle with Fedor.

    "he mauled Henderson" to a split decision?????

    I think you need to get some sleep.
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    Post  sunthunder Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:09 am

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    sunthunder wrote:He was able to get very clean takedowns against all. He mauled Henderson for example, clean double legged Fedor multiple times.

    That's not manhandling! What Rampage did to Arona, that was manhandling. What Lesnar did to Herring. That's manhandling.

    He lost a grappling battle with Fedor.

    "he mauled Henderson" to a split decision?????

    I think you need to get some sleep.

    Rampage was losing the Arona fight until the slam. He was getting his legs kicked to hell and had no offence. The slam was impressive but really has nothing to do with the calibre of Arona's control and takedowns, other than Arona not being able to take down Rampage.

    I don't really see the relevance of Arona losing the Fedor fight either. The fact remains that Arona was able to cleanly take down Fedor multiple times, which is still impressive when comparing takedowns and control between other fighters.

    Do you actually think that fight should have been a split decision? It was Henderson being the recipient of unduly sympathetic judges, as happened many times over his career. Arona still threw him around the ring. I can think of 3 pretty massive takedowns he was able to get against Henderson off the top of my head.

    The reason I mention 2005 is because it was the last time he Arona was in his prime, and it was when he fought Shogun. I don't think Arona lost any steps in terms of takedowns and control between 1999-2005.

    I would still stand-by Arona really being impressive in his takedowns over those guys. He had three takedowns against prime Ortiz that had Ortiz flying off the mat. He took down prime Monson in the same fashion. Have you watched any of those?

    And yes, I'm still more impressed with the fighters Arona has taken down. Arona is a better control fighter than Sonnen, and Shogun was able to handle him. You should really stop trying to discredit Shogun every chance you get.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:08 am

    Sonnen is better at controlling than Arona and regardless of getting a few takedowns here and there he did not "manhandle" or "maul" any of the fighters you mentioned.

    And taking down a fighter, such as Tito, and having him "flying of the mat" in a grappling competition, is a a sign of poor control.


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    Post  Albion_Oakley Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:37 pm

    despite only having 2 matches, surely Mark Schultz was the best wrestler in MMA?
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    In terms of best ever to compete, that's true.

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