Rudeboyben's rankings *UPDATED*

Heavyweight: 206-265Lbs
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Nogueira
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Josh Barnett
5. Frank Mir
6. Shane Carwin
7. Randy Couture
8. Brett Rogers
9. Alistair Overeem
10. Cain Valezques
Just Missded out, Junior Dos Santos, Mirko Crocop, Andrei Arlovski, Fabricio Werdum, Aleksander Emelianenko, Jeff Monson

Light heavyweight: 186-205lbs
1. Lyoto Machida
2. Quinton Jackson
3. Rashad Evans
4. Shogun Rua
5. Gegard Mousasi
6. Forrest Griffin
7. Antônio Rogério Nogueira
8. Rich Franklin
9. Thiago Silva
10. Luiz Cane
Just midded out: Jon Jones, Renato Sobral, Keith Jardine, Vladimir Matyushenko, Tito Ortiz, Ryan Bader

Middleweight: 171-185lbs
1. Anderson Silva
2. Nate Marquadt
3. Dan Henderson
4. Yushin Okami
5. Damien Maia
6. Robbie Lawler
7. Vitor Belfort
8. Jorge Santiago
9. Chael Sonnen
10. Yoshihiro Akiyama
Just missed out: Paulo Filho, Ronaldo Souza, Patrick Cote, Jason Miller, Alan Belcher, Cung Le


Welterweight: 156-170lbs
1. George St. Pierre
2. Thaigo Alves
3. John Fitch
4. Jake Shields
5. Nick Diaz
6. Martin Kampmann
7. Carlos Condit
8. Mike Swick
9. Matt Hughes
10. Dan Hardy
Just missed out: Jay Hieron, Marius Zaromskis, Paulo Thiago, Hayato Sakurai, Nick Thompson, Matt Serra, Karo Parisyan, Josh Kosckeck

Lightweight: 146-155lbs
1. Bj Penn
2. Shinya Aoki
3. Eddie Alverez
4. Diego Sanchez
5. Kenny Florian
6. Tatsuya Kawajiri
7. Joachim Hansen
8. Gray Maynard
9. Frankie Edgar
10. Gilbert Melendez
Just missed out: Mizuto Hirota, Satoru Kitaoka, Sean Sherk, JZ Cavalcante, Clay Guida, Tyson Griffin, Josh Thompson, Takanori Gomi

Ok thats my rankings finalised... I think Ill keep this post updated after every major event....

How rankings will work...

If Fighter A is ranked 10th and Beats Figher B who is 3rd he will automatically be ranked over him... Not nessicarily in 3rd place... It could be figher A becomes 5th and fighter B 6th.. It just depends how they have performed and how we feel they stack up tp other fighers.

Fighers will not be removed due to inactivity but long periods but will drop you down the rankings due to inactivity. Josh Thompson would be an example, He is top 10 skill wise and has the wins to back it up... he will stay on the Just Missed out list and be moved up and ranked acordingly if he wins.

A figher will only be ranked in one weigh class, Jake Shields is planning on switching to Mw.. but will be ranked as a welter untill he makes the switch. Fighters like Nick Diaz will not be ignored because they have fought between weight classes as they are on some MMA websites

Anyway thats roughly the way it will work, Ill keep it updated, Any feedback is always welcome!

good rankings ben nothing there im totally against and i like the way the rankings work much better than alot of sites iv looked at much better than sherdog anyway

Nice rankings Rudeboy, pretty accurate although id have Velasquez in the top 10 HWs for sure.


1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Josh Barnett (no sure how long im keeping him here)
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Frank Mir
5. Antonio Nogueira
6. Randy Couture
7. Shane Carwin
8. Cain Velasquez
9. Alistair Overeem
10. Brett Rogers

I agree with LHW and MW.

WW
1. George St. Pierre
2. Thaigo Alves
*. John Fitch
4. Jake Shields
5. Martin Kampmann
6. Mike Swick
7. Nick Diaz
8. Carlos Condit
9. Matt Hughes
10. Josh Koshchek


I agree mostly with LW as well, although id have Hellboy a lot harder

Good rankings ben, I'd change a few things. Don't think Vitor is a top 10 middleweight yet, and think Henderson should be bellow Marquardt and Lawler should be lower. I don't think Diaz has the wins to justify him as a top 10 welterweight. I'd have Hirota in the top 10 over Melendez, if only because Hirota's wins over Ishida then Kitaoka are more impressive than Melendez's wins over Damm and Ishida.

Otherwise good job though.

ChelseaQuinsfan Good call on Hellboy... I think we originally moved him down due to lack of activity... he has been inactive for a year now. I do think he should be ranked higher though but I think with being inactive his placing is fair. You cant hold high spots for so long in such a competitive devision, Think thats fair or were do you suggest moving him up to? I think if we move him up we might have to include Thompson who is on just missed out due to inactivity.... What you think? Cain for me is someone who has the tools to be a top 10 guy but at 6-0 with his biggest win being over Kongo who wasnt top 10 I cant see a case for him just yet... I think its jumping the gun a bit.... Lets see how he does against Carwin.

sunthunder I had Hirota over Melendez originally in my 1st draft... His last win was bigger and more impressive so Id be ahppy to mover Melendez down to 11th... Good call. I dont like the Belfort call though, I think the man is a killer, Lindland was still top 10 when he blew him away and I think thats how he automatically got placed in the top 10. Sure like I always say we will see how he does next fight and judge him on that. Id also be happy to drop Lawlor... were to?

These rankings are a fresh start and because they can be updated it we all agree it looks roughly OK fighers will sort their own rankings out with wins and losses... Anyway let me know, Im swapping Melendez and Hirota then? Should Hellboy be higher? Were to drop Lawlor to? Im dead set against dropping Belfort but I can move him down a place perhaps?

Ye its true inactivity has effected him, but his last match was a win over Aoki, the second best in the world. I think he should at least be 5th, Kenflo's, while no fault of his own, last win was almost a year ago as well. I would have him 5th and I would also have Thompson top 10. However, my argument could be invalid because of there inactivity. Hellboy is fighting soon so we will see what happens.

1.BJ Penn
2.Aoki
3.Alvarez
4.Sanchez
5.Hansen
6.Kenflo
7.Kawajiri
8.Thompson
9.Maynard
10.Edgar

I think Belfort deserves a top 10 position, he is certainly above Santiago and he is above Lawler IMO as well. Lawler could definitley be dropped. Not sure if Sonnen is a top 10 MW, I think this division still has a lot of fights before the the top 10 can be decided.

As for Velasquez, I see him top 10 because well overall his competition has been harder than Carwin and Rogers. Between all three of these guys they all have 3 good names. Carwin's opponents besides Gonzaga have been very, very poor Whilechesh (sp) and Niel Wain.

These used to be called RudeBoyBen and Anfields5thKing's rankings. Then i got lazy!

I like reading these ratings but don't know enough about the MMA world to make suggestions.

One question though - what effect, if any, will catchweight fights and fights where a fighter has shifted up/down the weight classes have on your rankings?

Good questions, heres my take on Catchweight fights

If you loose a fight to a guy in your own weight class he automatically jumps over you, but if the guy isnt in your weight class he cant jump over you, so heres how I would do it...

Ok heres an Example, Vitor Belfort is 7th ranked at 185lbs and Rich Franklin is 8th ranked at 205lbs. The winner of this fight will go up or down a place or perhaps two.. It just depends on how close they are to the guys above or below them.

IF Vitor wins would a win over Rich make him better than Robbie Lawlor? Id say yes without a doubt, so he would go up to 6th.. would it make him better than Maia... only if he looses badly to Marquardt... so maby he could jump to 5th with a very impressive win. If he looses surely Santiago will take his 7th place and he will slide to 8th, now if the guy below him was a bad fighter who didnt diserve his 7th spot maby we wouldnt drop him. When Aoki lost to Mach he wasnt dropped as Alvarez was below him and he made short work of Alvarez only a fight or two before.... really it has to be looked at on an individual basis.

The you have Franklin, would a win over Belfort put him above Little Nog? Id say yes because he has faced tough competition recently and Nog hasnt... would it put him over Griffin? I dont know, Griffin has beat Rampage after all.. again it would be down to performance but to move up more than one place you would have to be very close to the guys above you. If you dont move up a place its because the guys above you are still clearly better. If Nick Diaz had another catchweight fight against Kalib Starnes I dont think a win would do anything for his rankings!! It all depends on who the fight is against and if that win or loss makes you better than the fighters ranked on either side of you

in the hw rankings you have big nog one place over mir shouldnt mir be ahead because he recently beat him(i know of the rumours of big nog being sick) id agree if nog beats randy but not yet

yeah but Mir is coming off a loss now too. And he's a tit

that is true

As i said before i think Sanchez at 4 is too high i know he beat Guida & Stevenson (both very one dimensional i might add) but there is no way he is ahead of Hellboy and Melendez IMO

Heavyweight: 206-265Lbs
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Josh Barnett
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Antonio Nogueira
5. Frank Mir
6. Randy Couture
7. Shane Carwin
8. Brett Rogers
9. Alistair Overeem
10. Andrei Arlovski
Just Missded out, Junior Dos Santos, Mirko Crocop, Fabricio Werdum, Aleksander Emelianenko, Cain Valezques, Jeff Monson

*Werdum in at 10 and Arlovski out? Nog up 1 place maby 2 seeing as Barnett got caught red handed?

Light heavyweight: 186-205lbs
1. Lyoto Machida
2. Quinton Jackson
3. Rashad Evans
4. Shogun Rua
5. Gegard Mousasi
6. Forrest Griffin
7. Antônio Rogério Nogueira
8. Rich Franklin
9. Luiz Cane
10. Keith Jardine
Just midded out: Jon Jones, Thiago Silva, Renato Sobral, Vladimir Matyushenko, Tito Ortiz, Ryan Bader

*Thaigo Silva in the top 10 again amd Jardine out... But is Thiago better than Cain? Should he go in at 9th dropping Cain? I think so..

Middleweight: 171-185lbs
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Nate Marquadt
4. Yushin Okami
5. Damien Maia
6. Robbie Lawler
7. Vitor Belfort
8. Jorge Santiago
9. Chael Sonnen
10. Yoshihiro Akiyama
Just missed out: Paulo Filho, Ronaldo Souza, Patrick Cote, Jason Miller, Alan Belcher, Cung Le

*Nate to move up over Hendo? Maia down a place? Down 2 places? I dont thik Vitor should jump over him just yet...

Welterweight: 156-170lbs
1. George St. Pierre
2. Thaigo Alves
3. John Fitch
4. Jake Shields
5. Nick Diaz
6. Martin Kampmann
7. Carlos Condit
8. Mike Swick
9. Matt Hughes
10. Dan Hardy
Just missed out: Jay Hieron, Marius Zaromskis, Paulo Thiago, Hayato Sakurai, Nick Thompson, Matt Serra, Karo Parisyan, Josh Kosckeck

*No Changes here

Lightweight: 146-155lbs
1. Bj Penn
2. Shinya Aoki
3. Eddie Alverez
4. Diego Sanchez
5. Kenny Florian
6. Tatsuya Kawajiri
7. Joachim Hansen
8. Gray Maynard
9. Frankie Edgar
10. Gilbert Melendez
Just missed out: Mizuto Hirota, Satoru Kitaoka, Sean Sherk, JZ Cavalcante, Clay Guida, Tyson Griffin, Josh Thompson, Takanori Gomi.

*No Changes here

HW

I like Arvloski but I don't think he warrants a top 10 place ATM. I would like to see Velasquez, Werdum or Dos Santos there instead. I would drop Barnett and move Nog up there.

LHW

I think Forrest is too high, id have lil Nog and Franklin over him. I know he has fought tough guys but two losses are two losses. Franklin beat one of he geatest LHWs ever and Lil Nog has been on a roll. Silva would proberly be 9 or 10, Jardine out. I see Bader coming into the top 10 soon, but his next fight isn't against a high ranked fighter (Shaefer) so il have to wait till that happens.

MW

Maia should stay where he is atm, if Belfort wins, he moves ahead of Lawler and Maia. Maia will drop one, assuming Belfort wins. What about Mayhem and Shields, when will they be ranked? I think Nate and Hendo should be equal atm, I think they should fight each other because neither has a clear distance to be the number one contender.

I echo the sentiments that Barnett should be removed from rankings. Atleast until he next fights in US, or if he beats a TOP guy in Japan, like Overeem. The winner of Dos Santos/Crocop for sure should go into Top 10. I wouldnt mind seeing Werdum/Cain in instead of AA.

Ok one at a time. Heavyweight,

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Nogueira
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Josh Barnett
5. Frank Mir
6. Randy Couture
7. Shane Carwin
8. Brett Rogers
9. Alistair Overeem
10.
Just Missded out, Andrei Arlovski, Junior Dos Santos, Mirko Crocop, Fabricio Werdum, Gabriel Gonzaga, Aleksander Emelianenko, Cain Valezques, Jeff Monson, Antonio Silva

Ok so we got Barnett and Nog swapping places, I know a lot of people wont agree with Nog over Brock but I do so its staying!! no but in all seriousness their last 5 figths say it all. Both Beat Randy, Both beat Herring, Both Lost to Mir...

So its Mir or Barnett... Barnett is a bigger win
and Tim Sylvia is a bigger win than Min-Soo Kim

I reckon Brock probabally wins but he is going to have to get the wins and earn his spot, I think its being more than Fare on him to Drop Barnett below him but I dont think Barnett should go unpunished for his Fuck up on the Roids...

Anyway lets talk 10th spot...

Contenders are, Crocop, Gonzaga, Werdum, Valesquez or Dos Santos... there really isnt a lot in it... Crocop would be my call, he was top 5 before his 2 losses now he hasnt lost in 4 fights I dont see why he isnt top 10. The Other possibilities havnt had more than one big career win really... Crocop has 3 wins over Barnett, a win over Coleman, Wandy, Randleman, Aleks, Herring, Sakuraba and 2 over 'Ol Ironhead (back in the day!) I think he is being a little harshly treated as a propper legend, Wandy and Liddell were allowed to take much more losses before they were dropped from the top 10... Crocop back in at 10 I say and Dos Santos in over him if he wins? Gonzaga and Werdum are 12th and 13th'ish

We will get the Hw ranking sorted than move on to Lhw... Im all for Crocop though who does everyone else want? George I agree with Sanchez, I think Hellboy shouldnt have slipped due to inactivity, I think that was harsh.. but lets sort Hw 1st if thats OK? Cheers

Im all for Crocop top 10. I dont agree with Nog over Brock, in his last 5 fights Brock also destroyed Mir and beat Randy more convingly than Nog winning last night.
Wait till Carwin KTFO's him before dropping him lower in the rankings

redmeanie77 It doesnt make sence, Nog has to go over Lesnar, thats how rankings have to work. SO Lesnar is 4th. I think Dropping Barnett allows him in at 3 and that more than fair to him...

Look at Min-Soo Kim or Sylvia? One is top 10 the other isnt top 100... Mir was top 5 but Barnett was top 3... Nog has bigger wins in the last 5 fights, and his loss was when he was sick. Apart from that Nog has beaten all sorts of top great fighers...

Werdum
Sergi
Crocop
Rodriguez
Schilt
Hendo
Coleman

Brock cant be given favorible treatment because we "think" he can beat people. Rankings have to be fare, And untill he gets the wins to back up his hype he can be ranked higher...

The Question with Brock is Wether he is 3rd or 4th behind Barnett... Ill wait to see what more people say but Its maddness that they have the same loss and Nog has better win in the last 5 not to mention one of the most legendary careers in MMA to back up his ranking... Its jumping the gun on Brock to rank him higher on Nog based on Potential or looking better in fights because who knows if he fought Barnett or Sylvia he could have lost. Rankings are more who you have beaten and not how you beat them. Sure if its a very close run thing how you beat them matters but I dont see how Brock could be over Nog...

Anyone else for Crocop in at 10th?

Lesner should be third, after Nog I think. Barnett should be dropped at least to 4th, if not more, steroids are a big deal. Isn't this like his 3rd time?

I see what your saying about Cro Cop but his last few wins have not been impressive in terms of name. He beat Mustapha Al-can, Hong-man Choi, was losing to Overeem despite the NC and some can. Before that he had two losees, one to Kongo and one to Gonzaga. Velasquez beat Kongo and with ease. I know he is a legend and has some awesome wins but not recently. Dos Santos's last wins were more impressive than Cro Cops, Struve and Werdum are better than Al-Can and Choi. We can't favour Lesner because of future performances but at the same time we can't favour Cro Cop for past performances right? For me, Velasquez would be 10, and Dos Santos and Cro Cop would be tied at 11th with the winner possibly replacing Velasquez.

Thoughts?

Chelsea Do you not think Mirko has been far more hard done by than Chuck or Wandy.. Id like him in but fair shout on Valesquez.. I think he hasnt a big enough win yet.. Kono isnt a great win for me. Dos Santos having beat Werdum is a much better win bet he has a sub loss 3 fights ago.. Werdum has the Dos Santos loss but has massive career wins. Gonzaga doesnt diserve a place because of his losses... I really think he would beat Brock a 260lbs figher that can throw headkicks adds another dimiention to the fight His BJJ and size would be so dangerous to Brock I feel.. His stoppage losses were TKO's, I dont think he has been KO'd apart from Carwin which we can excuse His chin isnt that bad I think, Once a fighter suffers a KO loss in MMA people seem to jump all over him saying his chin is bad... Anyway getting a bit off track

Crocop, Werdum or Valesquez then... (and like you say the winner of Crocop vs Dos Santos undoubetly diserves his place in the top 10)

Werdums has the wins wins - Aleks, Gonzaga twice, Vera Overeem - All of which have been top 10 His only bad loss was the Dos Santos one when he was in bad bad shape.. Arlovski was a lackluster UD, Serdi SD, and took Nog the distance.

Valesquez has only Kongo but is 6-0... again like Dos Santos I feel he needs to earn his spot 1 big win doesnt make you a top guy for me... I see plenty of potential and depending on how he looks against Rothwell he could well be in. Ben was top 10 not so long ago...

Its a really close one... If peole are split between 2 fighers Im happy to make a joint 10th place.. Whoever people want in. I can see a good case for all guys, As usual a lot things will be cleared up by next UFC but untill then Id like to see who people feel diserves it..

2 for Crocop
1 for Valesquez
0 for Werdum

so far

Chelsea Do you not think Mirko has been far more hard done by than Chuck or Wandy?

To a certain extent but lets be fair. Cro Cop lost to Gonzaga who wasn't that highly ranked at the time and Kongo who we know now is not tat good. Wandy lost to a best-ever Cro Cop, Dan Henderson, Chuck Liddel, beat Jardine, lost to Rampage and Franklin. All are top 10 guys, the level of competition is incredible and all are better fighters than Kongo and Gonzaga (except Jardine, Gonz is better than him). Liddel is no different, he has lost to Rampage, Jardine ( this is a poor loss for me TBH, he came in poor shape) beat Wandy, lost to a future LHW champion in Rashad and then a Shogun returing to his best. Yes there are too many losses but this list is incredible for both fighters, if you put Liddel and Wandy in easier fights they would have won, at the end of the say Al-Turk is not a good win. The two situations are not comparable, Liddel and Wandy have fought top fighters, Cro Cop beat a few cans. If you look at it Cain beat Kongo who beat Cro Cop, thats one of the reasons im putting him above Cro Cop. Its not like Kongo got lucky with a flukey punch, he won a close yet comfortable UD. Velasquez mullered Kongo for the majority of three rounds. Outside of Kongo I agree Velasquez has beaten no one but its still a decent win. Dos Santos has one big win and one ok win, I know you don't like Struve but he is apparantley an excellent sub man. Dos Santos did lose once, but he has beaten that fighter before. I would have all three as a tie TBH, I would like Cain because I like him as well as the Kongo reason but either way any of the three deserve to be over AA.

As for Gonzaga, ive already said I think he should have won the title already, his problem is pressure, against Cro Cop he was expected to lose, the only one who thought he could win was himself. Pressure off. He Cro Cops Cro Cop. Against the lower level fighters, he isn't under pressure and well he is just better than them. His chin isn't the best, yes Carwin hits hard but he was dismantled on the feet by a Randy Couture with a brocken arm. If Randy can take him down, Lesner will take him down. His best chance is a sub, a KO is likely but I think Lesner will fight smart.

Also look out for Duffee in the future, he looks like a monster. He is like 251, 6'4 and is only 23, an animal in the future.

I dont know its so so close those few Dos Santos, Werdum, Crocop and Valesquez all have a good case for being in there, Sure lets see what other peole say

What you think about 2.Nog 3.Lesnar 4.Barnett? Should we be punishing Barentt for the roids? I think slipping a place isnt overly harsh.

so Lhw I was thinking we dropped Forrest to behing Shogun. He has champ too recently to drop him further than 1 place. I think if Rich beat Belfort he jumps over both Nog and Forrest. If Nog gets a win he jumps over Forrest also... But lets not drop forrest more than 1 place for now I think... T.Silva over Cane is ok?

Mw im going to leave Maia were he is, Lawlor lost and Belfort hasnt fought in UFC yet.. with a win he clearly goes up and Ill put Hendo and Marquardt tied 2nd.

I dont know its so so close those few Dos Santos, Werdum, Crocop and Valesquez all have a good case for being in there, Sure lets see what other peole say

Ye lets see what everyone else thinks, UFC 103 will clear all this up anyway.

What you think about 2.Nog 3.Lesnar 4.Barnett? Should we be punishing Barentt for the roids? I think slipping a place isnt overly harsh

1.Fedor
2.Nog
3.Lesner
4.Barnett

Thats how it is at the momment, since its Barnett we can't really drop him any lower but I would have it like that.


so Lhw I was thinking we dropped Forrest to behing Shogun. He has champ too recently to drop him further than 1 place. I think if Rich beat Belfort he jumps over both Nog and Forrest. If Nog gets a win he jumps over Forrest also... But lets not drop forrest more than 1 place for now I think... T.Silva over Cane is ok?


Shogun over Forrest for sure, I think one place is ok and Rich and Nog can improve there rankings with wins. Silva over Cane is a tough one, im not sure. At the end of the day Sokudju and Cantwell are good wins as well but Jardine was top 5 some places so I think its fair enough.

1.Lyoto Machida
2.Rampage
3.Rashad
4.Shogun
5.Mousasi
6.Griffin
7.Lil Nog
*.Franklin
9.Silva
10.Cane

sound about right?

How long do you think it will be before Jones and Bader can start making there way into the top 10? Shaefer is Bader's next opponent and he isn't top 10 material. Maybe after 2 or 3 more fights? Also Coleman could be close with a win over Tito and vice verca.