Anfields5thKing wrote: ChelseaQuinsfan wrote: Anfields5thKing wrote: ChelseaQuinsfan wrote: Anfields5thKing wrote: ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Anyone who saw the England game can see what a joke Johnson is. Had an absolute shocker, gave the ball away, tackled no one and kept losing the ball anytime he went on one of "his threatening runs". One of the worst players to wear the England shirt. Forget the embarrassingly better Richards, I would have had Danny Simpson, Tony Hibbert, Phil Neville hell even Gary ahead of that clown.
Also fantastic to hear that Kelly has been called. Exactly what we need, more Liverpool players. I'd still have him over Johnson but Jones should start. He won't though because I think Woy feels to blame for the current status of Liverpool and I think this is his way of saying sorry.
Big yawn. Usual brain dead nonsense. Johnson had a poor game but apart from Cole and Gerrard, no England player played well. England under Roy are a dour, dull team and having James Milner on the right wing is not going to help any right back. Your two central defenders were just as poor as Johnson. Shame Cahill broke his jaw, but great to see Terry get injured. Hopefully it's serious.
Kelly's better than Jones as an RB, and as a CB. Jones is hugely over-rated after one decent season where Chris Samba carried him.
Odd how we have far more players at the Euros than your small club given how great Chelsea apparently are.
Cahill barely had any time on the pitch and was solid when he was on and Terry was fine. Nothing special just solid. Johnson was awful. As you said only Cole and Gerrard played well but no one aside from Johnson had a mare. Not the biggest fan of Milner but he works hard for the side and always tracks back. He got better as the game went on and put in a couple of decent crosses. Not sure what Milner had to do with Johnson needlessly giving the ball away, tackling no one and running straight into Vertonghen's back pocket.
Agree about Woy though, the team lacks creativity. Not sure why we can't just admit English managers aren't very good. And on the odd occasion we do have one like Clough, we don't pick them. Woy was an awful choice, it should have given to Redknapp for the time being. It's hardly Woy's fault though, he was never going to turn it down. I blame the dinosaurs at the FA who are leaving English football back in the dark ages. When you see the incredible talent the likes of Brazil, Spain and Germany produce it's really quite frustrating looking at the England side.
Jones is overrated but he is still a talent and has a lot of potential. He is better and younger than Kelly and a lot of top managers have shown great faith in him. He has struggled a bit because he has had to play so many different positions but he has also had some terrific performances. Needs to work on his crossing though.
The reason you have more players is because of injuries and laughable selections by Woy. But as I said, this is his way of apologizing to Liverpool fans. Why else would he pick Downing when there are about 7 or 8 better options?
Because he's the only natural left footed left winger that England have. Quite simple really.
Kelly's a lot better than Jones who's had some utterly shocking performances over the past two seasons. Kelly's yet to have a bad game. Jones's defensive failings get glossed because he's good on the ball. Kelly's a much better defender.
It should have been a foreign manager for England. They are no good English managers at the highest level.
Milner offered no support on the flank and didn't make himself available. Terry was woeful. As was Milner. England were just shite.
He's crap though, by that logic we should have called up Ethrington or Taylor. Ashley Young can play on the left as can Mathew Jarvis. Aaron Lennon is a far better player and has more experience at the top level having actually played in the Champions league where he performed well. Can play left or right and he would have swapped wings during the game like he does with Bale for Spurs. Joe Cole had a fairly good season with Lille. Even taking a gamble on someone like Scott Sinclair or Nathan Dyer who both have better stats than Downing would have been better. The amount of English wingers who have had better stats than Downing is quite ridiculous. Should never have been in the squad.
The curse of the left wing has haunted England for many a year. Some truly awful players have played on that left wing for England.
Jones has played a lot more than Kelly though despite playing for a better team and being younger. Mistakes and poor performances at his age are a given. Kelly's positioning thus far has looked very impressive and he has the making of a very good defender but Jones is a more complete player and has played at a higher level. Jones does need to work on his defensive frailties and crossing (if he continues to play RB) if his to continue to progress.
I agree, only decent English manager out there right now is Padrew and that's after one season where he had some great help from his scouting team. We need to just admit English managers are shit and there's nothing wrong with having a foreign manager. Would love for Mourihnio to take it but he's not a fan of international football and would probably prefer managing Portugal.
Terry was solid, not his best ever performance but hardly woeful. I don't like him either but he certainly wasn't woeful. Milner is known for his hard work, one of his redeeming qualities. Johnson was just shite.
England were quite poor though and were outplayed. A lack of world-class players is going to hurt this team. There are 2 or 3 world class players in the side and only Ashley Cole can claim to be the best in the world at his position.
Joe Hart can probably make an argument for being top 3 or 4 in his position but other than him, and Cole obviously, no1 in this England team is particularly great. Gerrard was as good as anyone but injuries have destroyed his groin and taken away a lot of his explosiveness. Him and Cole are going to retire as two of the best England players to never win a major tournament.
The players coming through are a bit special though.
Hart's going to be there for a long time unless Butland replaces him, either way GK is set for the next 10 years minimum with great keepers.
Walker will probably be England's RB in a year or two if he keeps developing.
Kelly and Jones will be central assuming Ferguson doesn't ruin Jones and continue to push back his development.
Robinson is going to be a fantastic left back, he's easily the best youngster we have, including Sterling.
In midfield there's Wilshere, McEachran, Rodwell, Barkley, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, that Morrison kid if he can sort his life out, Nick Powell and a couple of others.
Plus some talented wingers like Albrighton, Sterling and Redmond from Brum. There's others too.
and upfront there's Sturridge, Wickham, Delfouneso and others.
England would be better off appointing a young manager, someone like Rodgers for example, and allowing him to built a team towards the next Euros with no focus on the next world cup. Dump everyone over the age of 27 from the squad, and start over. Someone like Karl Robinson of MK Dons would have been a good choice. I know he's ridiculously young and inexperienced but he'd have a long term vision, he's progressive and inventive and he could relate to young players. What on earth are Hodgson and Oxlade Chamberlain going to talk about??
Mourinho wanted the England job when Capello got it, doubt he'd have much interest now. Another year or two at Madrid, win that third CL he's been after and then to City he shall go to cement his legacy as the best ever with a few league titles and a few CLs.
Kelly has played at every level Jones has played at and always performed. Jones playing more makes his mistakes worse, those should be eradicated. United are going to ruin him by making him a fullback or fucking about with him in midfield because Fergie hasn't realized Rio is finished.
Downing's not crap. Rubbish to suggest he is. He had a grab season statistically but he's a good player who actually created a shit load of chances last season that Andy Carroll managed to waste. Never worth 20mil obviously, 12mil is more his value, but Downing is, and has been, one of the best wingers around for a number of years. He's the best left footed english left winger by a distance, that's not saying much but it's a fact. And he generally does perform well for England. Himself and Cole have a good understanding too which helps.
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