Does GSP have to fight Nick Diaz for the sake of his legacy?

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

I reckon Diaz bests GSP because,

1. He is more likely to KO him
2. He is more likely tu sub him
3. GSP's game is to win a 25 min decision over a fighter with endless stamina who may win rounds on standup.

Remember Shields was able to land on him on the feet and bust him up, Shields isnt even a passible striking sparing partner for Diaz. I actually see him KO'ing him not subbing him. GSP's legkicks will leave him open and those superman jabs when punching up against an upright figher wont be half as effective.

GSP kept the fight standing against Shields though. He took him down twice very easily and could have taken him down more if he wanted, but the easiest way for GSP to win that fight, was to stand with him. Against Diaz, he would fight like he fought against Alves except he would probably stand up more often. GSP would have no problems taking Diaz down.

Diaz is quite poor when it comes to defensive striking. He leaves his chin open and has been dropped several times in his career. Noons had an absolute field day in the first fight and even in the second fight he landed some huge shots. Noons won the 2nd round more convincingly than Diaz won any round. Not saying GSP would outstrike Diaz, but he does leave himself open to a big high kick or a superman punch.

No way GSP is a threat to Diaz standing. Its easy to point out when fighters looked bad but as a general guide to how good they are standing on form Diaz KO Daley GSP Jabbed the face of KOS, Daley is such a banger KOS didnt risk a second on the feet with him.

You look back to the 1st GSP vs BJ fight and you see what a good boxer can do to him.

My point is you cant see GSP being the more likely guy to win via KO or Sub can you?

Points is nearly a cert againt Diaz in anyones case let alone GSP. Once the fight hits the mat Diaz is really active people are quick to forget, look at his fights with Karo, Sherk etc back in the day, he is always threatening.

25 Mins with a fighter that always threatens on the Ground with Subs and Always pushes forward looking for the KO, breaking punch stat records.

Alves hasnt got offensive BJJ off his back, he didnt offer the same threat. He is a 155er the build of a bodybuilder

•The most interesting piece of data from the main event? Jake Shields landed more strikes in the fight (96-92) than Georges St. Pierre. St. Pierre, however, held the advantage in Significant Strikes (85-78), head strikes (54-40), and power strikes (30-.

I understand that GSP had one eye but he is not an illusive figther and Diaz KO's people.

rudeboyben84 wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

I reckon Diaz bests GSP because,

1. He is more likely to KO him
2. He is more likely tu sub him
3. GSP's game is to win a 25 min decision over a fighter with endless stamina who may win rounds on standup.

Remember Shields was able to land on him on the feet and bust him up, Shields isnt even a passible striking sparing partner for Diaz. I actually see him KO'ing him not subbing him. GSP's legkicks will leave him open and those superman jabs when punching up against an upright figher wont be half as effective.

GSP kept the fight standing against Shields though. He took him down twice very easily and could have taken him down more if he wanted, but the easiest way for GSP to win that fight, was to stand with him. Against Diaz, he would fight like he fought against Alves except he would probably stand up more often. GSP would have no problems taking Diaz down.

Diaz is quite poor when it comes to defensive striking. He leaves his chin open and has been dropped several times in his career. Noons had an absolute field day in the first fight and even in the second fight he landed some huge shots. Noons won the 2nd round more convincingly than Diaz won any round. Not saying GSP would outstrike Diaz, but he does leave himself open to a big high kick or a superman punch.

No way GSP is a threat to Diaz standing. Its easy to point out when fighters looked bad but as a general guide to how good they are standing on form Diaz KO Daley GSP Jabbed the face of KOS, Daley is such a banger KOS didnt risk a second on the feet with him.

You look back to the 1st GSP vs BJ fight and you see what a good boxer can do to him.

My point is you cant see GSP being the more likely guy to win via KO or Sub can you?

Points is nearly a cert againt Diaz in anyones case let alone GSP. Once the fight hits the mat Diaz is really active people are quick to forget, look at his fights with Karo, Sherk etc back in the day, he is always threatening.

25 Mins with a fighter that always threatens on the Ground with Subs and Always pushes forward looking for the KO, breaking punch stat records.

Alves hasnt got offensive BJJ off his back, he didnt offer the same threat. He is a 155er the build of a bodybuilder

Kos didn't stand with Daley because that was Daley's only chance of him losing. Kos would have been a moron to stand with Daley. BJ is a much better boxer than Diaz though and he was facing a young GSP.

But ye there's no doubt Diaz has the advantage standing and is more likely to finish the fight. However GSP could cause problems standing, even a way past his best Sakurai gave Diaz problems standing.

The fight against Sherk especially shows that Diaz can be controlled. Sherk is a top wrestler but he is much smaller than Diaz and than GSP. If Sherk can control Diaz the way he did, so can GSP. Diaz has a poor record against wrestler, Riggs who is an average wrestler took him down and controlled him easily. So did Sanchez. Neither are anywhere near as good as GSP. Diaz is active, but he can be controlled.

THe fight I'd like to see is Diaz vs either Kos or Fitch. See how he does against a good wrestler because he still hasn't proven he can beat them. Shields had to earn an opportunity and he was a lot more successful than Diaz going into the UFC. I think both would beat him, Fitch is a nightmare matchup for Diaz. He would take him down, neutralise his grappling and hump him for 15 mins.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

rudeboyben84 wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

I reckon Diaz bests GSP because,

1. He is more likely to KO him
2. He is more likely tu sub him
3. GSP's game is to win a 25 min decision over a fighter with endless stamina who may win rounds on standup.

Remember Shields was able to land on him on the feet and bust him up, Shields isnt even a passible striking sparing partner for Diaz. I actually see him KO'ing him not subbing him. GSP's legkicks will leave him open and those superman jabs when punching up against an upright figher wont be half as effective.

GSP kept the fight standing against Shields though. He took him down twice very easily and could have taken him down more if he wanted, but the easiest way for GSP to win that fight, was to stand with him. Against Diaz, he would fight like he fought against Alves except he would probably stand up more often. GSP would have no problems taking Diaz down.

Diaz is quite poor when it comes to defensive striking. He leaves his chin open and has been dropped several times in his career. Noons had an absolute field day in the first fight and even in the second fight he landed some huge shots. Noons won the 2nd round more convincingly than Diaz won any round. Not saying GSP would outstrike Diaz, but he does leave himself open to a big high kick or a superman punch.

No way GSP is a threat to Diaz standing. Its easy to point out when fighters looked bad but as a general guide to how good they are standing on form Diaz KO Daley GSP Jabbed the face of KOS, Daley is such a banger KOS didnt risk a second on the feet with him.

You look back to the 1st GSP vs BJ fight and you see what a good boxer can do to him.

My point is you cant see GSP being the more likely guy to win via KO or Sub can you?

Points is nearly a cert againt Diaz in anyones case let alone GSP. Once the fight hits the mat Diaz is really active people are quick to forget, look at his fights with Karo, Sherk etc back in the day, he is always threatening.

25 Mins with a fighter that always threatens on the Ground with Subs and Always pushes forward looking for the KO, breaking punch stat records.

Alves hasnt got offensive BJJ off his back, he didnt offer the same threat. He is a 155er the build of a bodybuilder

Kos didn't stand with Daley because that was Daley's only chance of him losing. Kos would have been a moron to stand with Daley. BJ is a much better boxer than Diaz though and he was facing a young GSP.

But ye there's no doubt Diaz has the advantage standing and is more likely to finish the fight. However GSP could cause problems standing, even a way past his best Sakurai gave Diaz problems standing.

The fight against Sherk especially shows that Diaz can be controlled. Sherk is a top wrestler but he is much smaller than Diaz and than GSP. If Sherk can control Diaz the way he did, so can GSP. Diaz has a poor record against wrestler, Riggs who is an average wrestler took him down and controlled him easily. So did Sanchez. Neither are anywhere near as good as GSP. Diaz is active, but he can be controlled.

THe fight I'd like to see is Diaz vs either Kos or Fitch. See how he does against a good wrestler because he still hasn't proven he can beat them. Shields had to earn an opportunity and he was a lot more successful than Diaz going into the UFC. I think both would beat him, Fitch is a nightmare matchup for Diaz. He would take him down, neutralise his grappling and hump him for 15 mins.

Half of those lads didnt really controll him, he won some of those fights you mentioned, judges decision aside

I agree Fitch is a big threat to Diaz especially in 25 mins fights, Diaz is tough to stop and his stamina makes him a better fighter over 25mins. Fitch controlling him for 15mins isnt impossible, GSP doing it over nearly twice isnt either but with 5X5 rounds if you cant stop him your in danger because he can finish fights so well.

Diaz fights from bell to bell trying to finish without loosing heart, not maby opponents of GSP can say that. Before people talked about Diaz' boxing it was his BJJ especially off his back, it seems GSP's game would be to keep him in a position he is really dangerous in for 25 mins.

I hope we see it. I wouldnt bet my house on Diaz beating GSP but after seeing those overhands in my head he is a 60/40 favorite. I hope it happens because after seeing Sheilds fail to push the fight I know Nick will at least do that.

First off the Nick Diaz that got dryhumped by Sean Sherk is not the Nick Diaz that fights today. He has MUCH better striker now and MUCH better BJJ. If they fought today it wouldn't last a round. Same goes for Riggs and Sanchez.

If GSP fights the way he did against Alves he will get destroyed! Alves has no reach and isn't active off his back. Diaz has long arms, long legs and an active guard. GSP took Shields down twice. Once with not enough time left in the round for Shields to do anything, and the second time he practically ran away from him when Shields invited him to the mat. Diaz is better than Shields on the ground, especially off his back.

GSP has major problems with Shields's reach, Diaz is just as long. Look at GSP's face after the fight. Imagine if someone who knew how to throw punches had landed all those shots. BJ beat the shit out of him in the first round of their first fight. Diaz is a better boxer than BJ and has a longer reach. I don't accept the bad eye as an excuse, when he first went back to his corner and complained about his eye Jackson asked him "can you see me?" GSP said yes and Jackson said "well then you can see punches coming". Unless his eye had swelled shut he could still see, even if it was blurry he could still see.

I don't think Fitch would be problematic for Diaz at this point. Fitch needs to get close to work his takedowns, Diaz would pick him apart standing. Koscheck might cause him some problems but he's a far better wrestler than GSP with much better control so I'm not sure that's relevant.

Noons is a top class boxer and he got outboxed by Diaz. Yes he won a round but he was comprehensively beaten on his feet by Diaz. GSP isn't even in the debate in terms of boxing, or power. Diaz can afford to hang his chin against GSP, GSP isn't knocking him out. Diaz fights like that for a reason. There's a video of him sparring with Andre Ward somewhere and he's actually an excellent defensive boxer. GSP on the other hand is poor defensively on his feet.

It's all well and good saying that GSP isn't finishing these fighters, but none of these fighters that GSP has faced have really been stopped before themselves since being at the level they're at now.

Jake Shields - 5 careers losses, 4 by decision, his knockout loss came in his third professional fight.

Josh Koscheck - 5 career losses, 3 by decision, was subbed in his fifth professional fight by submission specialist Drew Fickett and was knocked out by an out of nowhere flash KO by Paulo Thiago.

Dan Hardy - 9 career losses, subbed 3 times in first 8 fights, since then has only been beat by decision other than the flash knockout from Condit and a DQ loss.

Thiago Alves - 7 career losses, few submission losses in early part of his career, was knocked out by a Jon Fitch up kick while pressing for the finish, other 3 losses have come by decision.

These guys that he's facing aren't showing any signs of how they could possibly be stopped at this point in their career, other than perhaps flash knockouts, and that isn't where GSP's strengths lie. GSP is the sort of guy that he sticks to what he is good at, and that is applying a game plan that highlights his opponents main weaknesses, if he needs to take them down, he can take them down, if he needs to stand with them, he can stand with them, and then if the finish comes, it comes. GSP is just simply facing guys that are hard to stop, nobody else is out there stopping all these fighters, and in 10 years time I don't think people will look back and say GSP was a boring fighter, and if they do that is completely ignoring the performances he was putting on prior to the Matt Serra loss. GSP felt what it was like to loss that belt, he doesn't want to feel like that again, so he fights the way he fights, he's the one at the top, so it's obviously working, you think guys who go out there swinging their fists looking for knockouts wouldn't rather be in GSP's positioning of being able to basically do nothing and not be tested in a fight, because that's whats happening. Nobody is making GSP do anything drastic to try and win the fights, he puts on lackluster performances, and still comes out on top because he is that good.

As Anfield mentioned earlier, the only guy who appears to be out there right about now who could push GSP to once again fight how he use to fight is Nick Diaz, because Diaz won't sit back and let GSP control the action, he'll be straight out the blocks at him from the opening bell and will continue that on for 25 minutes if it needs to be done, and if it turns out that GSP just won another decision by jabbing and running, well that means Diaz wasn't good enough to test GSP, not that GSP was scared of Diaz. If somebody makes GSP fight, he'll fight, but nobody is doing that at the moment.

It's not just about finishing though, it's about at least trying to finish. If he had performed against Kos, Hardy, Shields and Alves the way he did against Fitch when he gave him an epic asskicking it would be one thing. If he was pushing guys to the point where they were struggling to stay in the fight that would be fine. But none of them have come close to being finished, save for Hardy and that was through submission chances that Hardy presented on a plate. I spoke with Alves a couple of weeks after the fight and he said he never felt in any danger. He had no fear of being stopped, it was all a feeling of frustration.

If Diaz doesn't get the next shot then the only other person would be Condit, but he needs at least 2 more wins IMO. I expect him to beat the StunGun but he won't be overly impressive doing it because it's hard to be impressive against the StunGun. After that I think he gets Nate/Rumble winner and the winner of that gets a shot. But that'll prob be early next year before that comes about. Unless GSP is going to sit out til next year then then he'll have to fight Diaz or Fitch again. Condit is another that I think would make him fight.

Anfields5thKing wrote:First off the Nick Diaz that got dryhumped by Sean Sherk is not the Nick Diaz that fights today. He has MUCH better striker now and MUCH better BJJ. If they fought today it wouldn't last a round. Same goes for Riggs and Sanchez.

If GSP fights the way he did against Alves he will get destroyed! Alves has no reach and isn't active off his back. Diaz has long arms, long legs and an active guard. GSP took Shields down twice. Once with not enough time left in the round for Shields to do anything, and the second time he practically ran away from him when Shields invited him to the mat. Diaz is better than Shields on the ground, especially off his back.

GSP has major problems with Shields's reach, Diaz is just as long. Look at GSP's face after the fight. Imagine if someone who knew how to throw punches had landed all those shots. BJ beat the shit out of him in the first round of their first fight. Diaz is a better boxer than BJ and has a longer reach. I don't accept the bad eye as an excuse, when he first went back to his corner and complained about his eye Jackson asked him "can you see me?" GSP said yes and Jackson said "well then you can see punches coming". Unless his eye had swelled shut he could still see, even if it was blurry he could still see.

I don't think Fitch would be problematic for Diaz at this point. Fitch needs to get close to work his takedowns, Diaz would pick him apart standing. Koscheck might cause him some problems but he's a far better wrestler than GSP with much better control so I'm not sure that's relevant.

Noons is a top class boxer and he got outboxed by Diaz. Yes he won a round but he was comprehensively beaten on his feet by Diaz. GSP isn't even in the debate in terms of boxing, or power. Diaz can afford to hang his chin against GSP, GSP isn't knocking him out. Diaz fights like that for a reason. There's a video of him sparring with Andre Ward somewhere and he's actually an excellent defensive boxer. GSP on the other hand is poor defensively on his feet.

Ofc he's much better than he was back then, but just compare what baby GSP did to Sherk and what Sherk did to baby Diaz. Riggs is average, any top15 WW should be able to beat him. I think Sanchez could give Diaz a hell of a fight again. He has the ability to take down Diaz and neutralize his BJJ game. Sanchez has very good BJJ himself. Only thing I'd worry about is Diaz and his reach, he could catch Sanchez with a big shot. But if Sanchez grabbed Diaz, he would take him down and beat him like he did last time.

If he fights the way he fought in the 2nd round against Alves, he would cause Diaz a lot of problems. Take him down and attack with some proper GnP offence. Alves had a couple of bruises on his face after that round and it's very hard to defend when someone's throwing punches at you at a furious pace. One of GSP's strongest aspects is that he makes fighters forget there game plan.

My point was that GSP took him down very easily and he would have no problems taking Diaz down if he wanted. There was no reason for GSP to go to the ground as it was the only way Shields would win at the point.

Yes but one would assume that GSP's game plan against Diaz would be not to stand and trade. He would be looking for the take downs. Ofc the eye was an issue, it was after the 3rd round when Shields begain to land strikes. Seeing out of a blurry eye is not easy, I can't imagine what it's like when your fighting someone. Jackson also told GSP to hit Alves with his groin after he tore it. BJ in the first fight also almost poked GSP's eye out and he couldn't see from it. BJ is a better boxer than Diaz anyway.

Fitch would lure Diaz in, Diaz would chase Fitch and then get taken down and sat on his ass. Only needs to happen a couple of times in the fight and then it's done. Fitch is a complete nightmare for Diaz. GSP has better takedowns than Kos one, and I don't think his control is that much worse than Kos. Kos clearly has the better control but GSP's control is quite good in its self. He can normally keep a man down the entire round after a take down.

Noons won 2 rounds in the second fight and if he wasn't too busy playing with his hair, he might have won more. He dismantled him in the first fight. Diaz is far bigger than Noons and the reach was huge, but Noons caused more of the damage. A swift kick to the chin could drop him though. The thing about Diaz is he gets too excitable and gets caught a lot. He was dropped and in serious trouble against Daley, Zaromskis (who's LW and shit) and both Sakurai and Noons dropped him. Sakurai doesn't have better stand up than GSP. I'm pretty sure he has been dropped a couple more times in his career.

Anfields5thKing wrote:It's not just about finishing though, it's about at least trying to finish. If he had performed against Kos, Hardy, Shields and Alves the way he did against Fitch when he gave him an epic asskicking it would be one thing. If he was pushing guys to the point where they were struggling to stay in the fight that would be fine. But none of them have come close to being finished, save for Hardy and that was through submission chances that Hardy presented on a plate. I spoke with Alves a couple of weeks after the fight and he said he never felt in any danger. He had no fear of being stopped, it was all a feeling of frustration.

If Diaz doesn't get the next shot then the only other person would be Condit, but he needs at least 2 more wins IMO. I expect him to beat the StunGun but he won't be overly impressive doing it because it's hard to be impressive against the StunGun. After that I think he gets Nate/Rumble winner and the winner of that gets a shot. But that'll prob be early next year before that comes about. Unless GSP is going to sit out til next year then then he'll have to fight Diaz or Fitch again. Condit is another that I think would make him fight.

Condit? I don't think so, Condit's biggest weakness is takedown defence, GSPs biggest strength. It would be a repeat of the Alves fight basically. Condit is a very exciting fighter, but he's not up for it, not yet and probably never. Stungun could possibly beat him, Stun gun is incredibly boring but he's a good fighter.

Is Diaz not under a SF contract or what? I'm really intrested to see what happens now, GSP might move up to MW and fight someone like Maia as he waits for Silva. He might jump straight up and fight Silva as well. Or have a rematch with Fitch if nothing else appears.

Condit's got great hands and he works well off his back. His TDD defense has improved massively over the years and while I agree it's still his weakest point, he's good off his back and has subbed a lot of people from his back.

GSP-Anderson is not going to be a fight if it happens, it's going to be a beating. GSP has no chance against Anderson Silva. GSP jabbing and running against Maia is not something anyone wants to see.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:First off the Nick Diaz that got dryhumped by Sean Sherk is not the Nick Diaz that fights today. He has MUCH better striker now and MUCH better BJJ. If they fought today it wouldn't last a round. Same goes for Riggs and Sanchez.

If GSP fights the way he did against Alves he will get destroyed! Alves has no reach and isn't active off his back. Diaz has long arms, long legs and an active guard. GSP took Shields down twice. Once with not enough time left in the round for Shields to do anything, and the second time he practically ran away from him when Shields invited him to the mat. Diaz is better than Shields on the ground, especially off his back.

GSP has major problems with Shields's reach, Diaz is just as long. Look at GSP's face after the fight. Imagine if someone who knew how to throw punches had landed all those shots. BJ beat the shit out of him in the first round of their first fight. Diaz is a better boxer than BJ and has a longer reach. I don't accept the bad eye as an excuse, when he first went back to his corner and complained about his eye Jackson asked him "can you see me?" GSP said yes and Jackson said "well then you can see punches coming". Unless his eye had swelled shut he could still see, even if it was blurry he could still see.

I don't think Fitch would be problematic for Diaz at this point. Fitch needs to get close to work his takedowns, Diaz would pick him apart standing. Koscheck might cause him some problems but he's a far better wrestler than GSP with much better control so I'm not sure that's relevant.

Noons is a top class boxer and he got outboxed by Diaz. Yes he won a round but he was comprehensively beaten on his feet by Diaz. GSP isn't even in the debate in terms of boxing, or power. Diaz can afford to hang his chin against GSP, GSP isn't knocking him out. Diaz fights like that for a reason. There's a video of him sparring with Andre Ward somewhere and he's actually an excellent defensive boxer. GSP on the other hand is poor defensively on his feet.

Ofc he's much better than he was back then, but just compare what baby GSP did to Sherk and what Sherk did to baby Diaz. Riggs is average, any top15 WW should be able to beat him. I think Sanchez could give Diaz a hell of a fight again. He has the ability to take down Diaz and neutralize his BJJ game. Sanchez has very good BJJ himself. Only thing I'd worry about is Diaz and his reach, he could catch Sanchez with a big shot. But if Sanchez grabbed Diaz, he would take him down and beat him like he did last time.

If he fights the way he fought in the 2nd round against Alves, he would cause Diaz a lot of problems. Take him down and attack with some proper GnP offence. Alves had a couple of bruises on his face after that round and it's very hard to defend when someone's throwing punches at you at a furious pace. One of GSP's strongest aspects is that he makes fighters forget there game plan.

My point was that GSP took him down very easily and he would have no problems taking Diaz down if he wanted. There was no reason for GSP to go to the ground as it was the only way Shields would win at the point.

Yes but one would assume that GSP's game plan against Diaz would be not to stand and trade. He would be looking for the take downs. Ofc the eye was an issue, it was after the 3rd round when Shields begain to land strikes. Seeing out of a blurry eye is not easy, I can't imagine what it's like when your fighting someone. Jackson also told GSP to hit Alves with his groin after he tore it. BJ in the first fight also almost poked GSP's eye out and he couldn't see from it. BJ is a better boxer than Diaz anyway.

Fitch would lure Diaz in, Diaz would chase Fitch and then get taken down and sat on his ass. Only needs to happen a couple of times in the fight and then it's done. Fitch is a complete nightmare for Diaz. GSP has better takedowns than Kos one, and I don't think his control is that much worse than Kos. Kos clearly has the better control but GSP's control is quite good in its self. He can normally keep a man down the entire round after a take down.

Noons won 2 rounds in the second fight and if he wasn't too busy playing with his hair, he might have won more. He dismantled him in the first fight. Diaz is far bigger than Noons and the reach was huge, but Noons caused more of the damage. A swift kick to the chin could drop him though. The thing about Diaz is he gets too excitable and gets caught a lot. He was dropped and in serious trouble against Daley, Zaromskis (who's LW and shit) and both Sakurai and Noons dropped him. Sakurai doesn't have better stand up than GSP. I'm pretty sure he has been dropped a couple more times in his career.

Noons won 1 round, the second and got beaten up for the rest of the fight. Noons is a professional boxer, and he got outstruck. And no, he didn't "dismantle" him in the first fight at all. Complete garbage. That was a completely even fight where Diaz got stopped because he cuts easily. GSP is not kicking anyone in the chin. His kicks are telegraphed and badly executed. Daley is the hardest hitter in MMA under 185, if he landed one punch on GSP the fight would be over, Zaromskis has great stand-up and is not shit at all. Diaz destroyed him. He got dropped, was never in serious trouble. Mach hits MUCH harder than GSP and his striking is as good as GSP's. Mach has excellent kickboxing.

Kos has MUCH better takedowns than GSP and is simply a much better wrestler with much better control. Josh Koscheck - all time great wrestler. GSP - Not so much. Fitch would lure Diaz in. What is he? A paedo grooming a child? Diaz trains with Shields every day. Shields is a better version of Fitch. Fitch is not a nightmare for Diaz at all. GSP can keep smaller men with inactive guards down. He's shown he's scared to try and control people with good bottom games.

No, BJ is not a better boxer than Diaz, Diaz has the best boxing in all of MMA with the possible exception of Little Nog and that's only a possibility. You can see a fist coming towards you if you get blurry vision. There was no retina damage at all which shows that GSP was most likely crying over very little as he was against Alves when he claimed he tore his groin, which he didn't(MRI showed it was a pulled muscle, not a tear).

There was no reason for GSP to follow him to the ground??? What are you talking about?? How about finishing the fucking fight?? He took him down, jumped up and ran away. When he knocked him down he chickened out of going to the ground as well! You think he's going to spend 5 rounds taking Diaz down and then getting up and running away???

If GSP fights Diaz the way he fought Alves he will cause him no problems and Diaz will tap him within a round. His GnP is some of the worst around. Ground and tickle cause nobody any problem. Alves had barely a mark on him after the fight. GSP sat in his guard and threw some pillow fisted punches at him. Alves didn't have the length in his limbs to work anything. Diaz does. GSP sits in Diaz's guard, he gets tapped. Simple as.

Diaz would beat Diego Sanchez with ease these days. He's ten times the fighter he was when they first fought and Sanchez has gone backwards in his wrestling. His BJJ has improved but Diaz has improved his a lot more. Sanchez would try and stand with him, and get beaten up. Then try taking him down and either fail or get subbed.

Sean Sherk fights aren't comparable. Sherk fought GSP on short notice. GSP beat him with his speed. Sherk was in top shape against Diaz and used his shortness to his advantage to duck under Diaz's punches and shoot really low and take Diaz down. Unless GSP is going to shrink 5 inches that's not something he can take advantage of.

Diaz is ten times the fighter he was back then. GSP has evolved but he hasn't improved other than in his wrestling. He's become a boring safe fighter who takes no risks and doesn't fight to finish. His greatest strength is avoid conflict.

One other thing, I believe GSP was trying to get the fight stopped against Shields when he started crying about his eye. He knew he was ahead on points and IMO he wanted out of there.

GSP - Fantastic Athlete and as he constantly reminds everyone a "martial artist".

Nick Diaz - Fighter, pure and simple.

That's the difference.

Anfields5thKing wrote:Condit's got great hands and he works well off his back. His TDD defense has improved massively over the years and while I agree it's still his weakest point, he's good off his back and has subbed a lot of people from his back.

GSP-Anderson is not going to be a fight if it happens, it's going to be a beating. GSP has no chance against Anderson Silva. GSP jabbing and running against Maia is not something anyone wants to see.

He won't have enough TDD to stop GSP taking him down. I think Condit is quite far from a title shot. It's not too long ago he was given a gift against Ellenberger and struggled immensely against a 20 year old. Condit is a fighter, but he doesn't have enough to make GSP fight.

GSP has a very good chance of beating Silva, especially with Silva's age, injuries and poor take down defense. Nearly everyone who has had good wrestling and wanted to take Silva down, have taken Silva down. Sonnen did with embarrassing ease as did Hendo. One didn't know how to defend against simple submissions and the other has awful cardio. GSP can do both these things better. GSP could be the man to beat Silva, if he does, he will go down as the greatest of all time.

Chael Sonnen is the only wrestler to have consistantly taken down Anderson and the only man who's come close to beaten him. Sonnen is a much better wrestler, and a better boxer, than GSP. And he had to eat some big shots that IMO GSP would have crumbled from. GSP has no chance against Anderson. That fight ends early. As soon as Anderson touches GSP's chin.

Hendo is also a much better wrestler than GSP.

Condit doesn't need to stop the takedown, he needs to control the takedown. He needs to focus on where he lands and what position he's in against GSP on the ground. Something he's very good at. Ellenberger's not got GSP's power in his takedowns, but he's a better wrestler. And he's much more powerful. Condit was so wary of that big right that he left himself open to takedowns a couple of times. Not a worry against Georges St.Powderpuff. He fucked up his cut against MacDonald and still showed enough to beat him.

Condit, for me, has more than enough to push GSP. Again, Shields pushed him standing. Condit has much better stand-up and he's active on the ground. I think GSP beats him but Condit would give him a good fight and has KO power. He also knows GSP very very well from Jackson's.

Anfields5thKing wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:First off the Nick Diaz that got dryhumped by Sean Sherk is not the Nick Diaz that fights today. He has MUCH better striker now and MUCH better BJJ. If they fought today it wouldn't last a round. Same goes for Riggs and Sanchez.

If GSP fights the way he did against Alves he will get destroyed! Alves has no reach and isn't active off his back. Diaz has long arms, long legs and an active guard. GSP took Shields down twice. Once with not enough time left in the round for Shields to do anything, and the second time he practically ran away from him when Shields invited him to the mat. Diaz is better than Shields on the ground, especially off his back.

GSP has major problems with Shields's reach, Diaz is just as long. Look at GSP's face after the fight. Imagine if someone who knew how to throw punches had landed all those shots. BJ beat the shit out of him in the first round of their first fight. Diaz is a better boxer than BJ and has a longer reach. I don't accept the bad eye as an excuse, when he first went back to his corner and complained about his eye Jackson asked him "can you see me?" GSP said yes and Jackson said "well then you can see punches coming". Unless his eye had swelled shut he could still see, even if it was blurry he could still see.

I don't think Fitch would be problematic for Diaz at this point. Fitch needs to get close to work his takedowns, Diaz would pick him apart standing. Koscheck might cause him some problems but he's a far better wrestler than GSP with much better control so I'm not sure that's relevant.

Noons is a top class boxer and he got outboxed by Diaz. Yes he won a round but he was comprehensively beaten on his feet by Diaz. GSP isn't even in the debate in terms of boxing, or power. Diaz can afford to hang his chin against GSP, GSP isn't knocking him out. Diaz fights like that for a reason. There's a video of him sparring with Andre Ward somewhere and he's actually an excellent defensive boxer. GSP on the other hand is poor defensively on his feet.

Ofc he's much better than he was back then, but just compare what baby GSP did to Sherk and what Sherk did to baby Diaz. Riggs is average, any top15 WW should be able to beat him. I think Sanchez could give Diaz a hell of a fight again. He has the ability to take down Diaz and neutralize his BJJ game. Sanchez has very good BJJ himself. Only thing I'd worry about is Diaz and his reach, he could catch Sanchez with a big shot. But if Sanchez grabbed Diaz, he would take him down and beat him like he did last time.

If he fights the way he fought in the 2nd round against Alves, he would cause Diaz a lot of problems. Take him down and attack with some proper GnP offence. Alves had a couple of bruises on his face after that round and it's very hard to defend when someone's throwing punches at you at a furious pace. One of GSP's strongest aspects is that he makes fighters forget there game plan.

My point was that GSP took him down very easily and he would have no problems taking Diaz down if he wanted. There was no reason for GSP to go to the ground as it was the only way Shields would win at the point.

Yes but one would assume that GSP's game plan against Diaz would be not to stand and trade. He would be looking for the take downs. Ofc the eye was an issue, it was after the 3rd round when Shields begain to land strikes. Seeing out of a blurry eye is not easy, I can't imagine what it's like when your fighting someone. Jackson also told GSP to hit Alves with his groin after he tore it. BJ in the first fight also almost poked GSP's eye out and he couldn't see from it. BJ is a better boxer than Diaz anyway.

Fitch would lure Diaz in, Diaz would chase Fitch and then get taken down and sat on his ass. Only needs to happen a couple of times in the fight and then it's done. Fitch is a complete nightmare for Diaz. GSP has better takedowns than Kos one, and I don't think his control is that much worse than Kos. Kos clearly has the better control but GSP's control is quite good in its self. He can normally keep a man down the entire round after a take down.

Noons won 2 rounds in the second fight and if he wasn't too busy playing with his hair, he might have won more. He dismantled him in the first fight. Diaz is far bigger than Noons and the reach was huge, but Noons caused more of the damage. A swift kick to the chin could drop him though. The thing about Diaz is he gets too excitable and gets caught a lot. He was dropped and in serious trouble against Daley, Zaromskis (who's LW and shit) and both Sakurai and Noons dropped him. Sakurai doesn't have better stand up than GSP. I'm pretty sure he has been dropped a couple more times in his career.

Noons won 1 round, the second and got beaten up for the rest of the fight. Noons is a professional boxer, and he got outstruck. And no, he didn't "dismantle" him in the first fight at all. Complete garbage. That was a completely even fight where Diaz got stopped because he cuts easily. GSP is not kicking anyone in the chin. His kicks are telegraphed and badly executed. Daley is the hardest hitter in MMA under 185, if he landed one punch on GSP the fight would be over, Zaromskis has great stand-up and is not shit at all. Diaz destroyed him. He got dropped, was never in serious trouble. Mach hits MUCH harder than GSP and his striking is as good as GSP's. Mach has excellent kickboxing.

Kos has MUCH better takedowns than GSP and is simply a much better wrestler with much better control. Josh Koscheck - all time great wrestler. GSP - Not so much. Fitch would lure Diaz in. What is he? A paedo grooming a child? Diaz trains with Shields every day. Shields is a better version of Fitch. Fitch is not a nightmare for Diaz at all. GSP can keep smaller men with inactive guards down. He's shown he's scared to try and control people with good bottom games.

No, BJ is not a better boxer than Diaz, Diaz has the best boxing in all of MMA with the possible exception of Little Nog and that's only a possibility. You can see a fist coming towards you if you get blurry vision. There was no retina damage at all which shows that GSP was most likely crying over very little as he was against Alves when he claimed he tore his groin, which he didn't(MRI showed it was a pulled muscle, not a tear).

There was no reason for GSP to follow him to the ground??? What are you talking about?? How about finishing the fucking fight?? He took him down, jumped up and ran away. When he knocked him down he chickened out of going to the ground as well! You think he's going to spend 5 rounds taking Diaz down and then getting up and running away???

If GSP fights Diaz the way he fought Alves he will cause him no problems and Diaz will tap him within a round. His GnP is some of the worst around. Ground and tickle cause nobody any problem. Alves had barely a mark on him after the fight. GSP sat in his guard and threw some pillow fisted punches at him. Alves didn't have the length in his limbs to work anything. Diaz does. GSP sits in Diaz's guard, he gets tapped. Simple as.

Diaz would beat Diego Sanchez with ease these days. He's ten times the fighter he was when they first fought and Sanchez has gone backwards in his wrestling. His BJJ has improved but Diaz has improved his a lot more. Sanchez would try and stand with him, and get beaten up. Then try taking him down and either fail or get subbed.

Sean Sherk fights aren't comparable. Sherk fought GSP on short notice. GSP beat him with his speed. Sherk was in top shape against Diaz and used his shortness to his advantage to duck under Diaz's punches and shoot really low and take Diaz down. Unless GSP is going to shrink 5 inches that's not something he can take advantage of.

Diaz is ten times the fighter he was back then. GSP has evolved but he hasn't improved other than in his wrestling. He's become a boring safe fighter who takes no risks and doesn't fight to finish. His greatest strength is avoid conflict.

Noons won two rounds the second and last I beleive, although it could have been the 4th. He won those rounds a lot more convincingly than Diaz won his. If Noons fought to his full potentiol he would have won that fight. He completely dismantled him in the first fight, just look at Diaz and his face after. Noons is a LW as well and Diaz had a big reach advantage. If they were the same size Noons would have won. Tell that to Shields and Hughes who both have been dropped by his kicks. Diaz doesn't have a great chin to just walk through those kicks. Why would GSP even stand with Daley? He could take him down at will. Zaromskis is garbage and he should be a LW. The man who's 0-2 against Che Mills. Any top 20 fighter would beat him very easily. He dropped Diaz badly and could have finished if he didn't stall. Diaz was lucky that under the unified rules as well. Mach's standup is average and he has never koed anyone but LW cans and Aoki. Look at his impressive KO list:

Luciano Azevedo: Only man ever stopped by McKee
Danzig: Worst winner of Tuf ever.
Olaf Alonso: Losing record and has been KOed 7 times.
Hidetaka Monma: Been Koed a bunch of times and is getting up there in years
Shibata: Losing record and been Koed 4 times
Aoki: A LW and has one of the worst chins in MMA today

Hardly an impressive list of KOs. GSP's standup is much better.

GSP has far better take downs, it's not even close. Compare there two fights and there fight with Alves. GSP has never fought anyone he couldn't take down. Kos has better control. Even if Kos is what you day he is, GSP out wrestled him. Fitch would be cautious in his apporach, wait for Diaz to chase him and then put Diaz on his ass. That happens 3 times and the fight is over. Very easy fight for Fitch. GSP stayed in BJ's guard didn't he? in both fights. BJ has better BJJ than Diaz. He stayed in Serra's guard as well.

You severely overate Diaz and his boxing. Since when has BJ ever been dropped and hit as much as Diaz does. BJ is a much better boxer, didn't he win some kind of title in boxing? I think Anderson Silva and Overeem are probably better boxers as well. I think both would have a lot more success in boxing than Diaz. Both have far more power and get hit a lot less. Lil Nog as well. It's a lot harder to see what's coming with blurred visions, that's why fights are stopped sometimes. The eye was a clear factor as to why his performance got worse after that. Even pulling a muscle near the groin hurts a lot. And these two incidents show GSP's somewhat lack of mental strength more than anything.

He didn't need to go the ground because he was winning the fight. He would have given SHields his only chance of winning if he went to the ground. Do you think GSP would have stopped SHields on the ground? No.

His GnP has been damaging in the past. Sherk, Hughes, BJ and Fitch have all suffered from it. It does cause damage, Serra as well is another. ALves briefly felt the force, and he had a couple of bruises after the 2nd round. If GSP fights more like he did against Serra, he'll have a very good chance of beating Diaz. He is far stronger and physically superior to Diaz and has the ability to manhandle him.

Diaz doesn't have very good take down defense. Sanchez has gone back in wrestling but he would still have enough to take Diaz down and beat him up. Sanchez is another tough match up for Diaz, Diaz still has lot to prove.

Sanchez, Fitch, Kos, Alves are all fighters that could very easily beat him. He needs to beat at least one of those before he is anywhere near GSP. Diaz's biggest win is against Daley, who was completely dominated by Kos who was dominated by GSP and is only like GSP's 5th biggest win. The difference in the level of competition faced is quite shocking.

Anfields5thKing wrote:Chael Sonnen is the only wrestler to have consistantly taken down Anderson and the only man who's come close to beaten him. Sonnen is a much better wrestler, and a better boxer, than GSP. And he had to eat some big shots that IMO GSP would have crumbled from. GSP has no chance against Anderson. That fight ends early. As soon as Anderson touches GSP's chin.

Hendo is also a much better wrestler than GSP.

Condit doesn't need to stop the takedown, he needs to control the takedown. He needs to focus on where he lands and what position he's in against GSP on the ground. Something he's very good at. Ellenberger's not got GSP's power in his takedowns, but he's a better wrestler. And he's much more powerful. Condit was so wary of that big right that he left himself open to takedowns a couple of times. Not a worry against Georges St.Powderpuff. He fucked up his cut against MacDonald and still showed enough to beat him.

Condit, for me, has more than enough to push GSP. Again, Shields pushed him standing. Condit has much better stand-up and he's active on the ground. I think GSP beats him but Condit would give him a good fight and has KO power. He also knows GSP very very well from Jackson's.

Sonnen's the only wrestler to have constantly tried to take Silva down and he did with ridiculous ease. Before he fought Okami, Sonnen was nothing special at all when it came to MMA. Babalu out wrestled him at one point. His hamds were always average, GSP's overall stand up is better. Lutter came very close to beating Silva and he's quite shit. The difference is, GSP would give Silva a chance to let him touch his chin.

Hendo doesn't have better take downs than GSP. HEndo was completely out wrestled by Shields, and is Shields had a shred of power, he would have stopped Hendo.

Condit won a an absolute gift against Ellenberger. The thing is while Condit would push GSP standing, I think GSP would just work on getting Condit down and keeping him there. Condit's a very exciting fighter, but I have my doubts he would be able to push GSP. Would he actually fight GSP?

You clearly didn't see the Babalu fight. Sonnen was beating him pretty easily until he got caught in the sub. Sonnen has dominated everyone he's ever fought, he just has one weakness. And nothing special before the Okami fight?? He destroyed Paolo Filho twice when Filho was the number 1/2 ranked MW in the world! What are you talking about?? Sonnen has very good boxing, much better than GSP. GSP has better kicks but Sonnen rarely throws kicks. GSP's aren't very good either.

Lutter never came anywhere close to beating Silva AND Silva was fighting against doctors orders less than a month after surgery on BOTH knees.

GSP wouldn't let Silva hit him?? JAKE FUCKING SHIELD PUNCHED THE HEAD OF HIM! Silva would destroy him.

Hendo has NEVER been stopped and you think Jake Shields was going to do it if he had more power?? Do you just talk shit as a hobby? Hendo was outwrestled AFTER he gassed. He fucked up his cut and came in carrying a back injury. A legit injury. Not a sore eye or a slight groin pull.

Hendo is a world class wrestler, GSP is not. Hendo is a better wrestler than GSP. FACT!

Condit beat Ellenberger. Gift? Eh.....no. And yes Condit would fight anyone. He doesn't care about camps.

I honestly don't see Condit giving GSP any problems I love Condit the man is just relentless and is as tough as they come but I don't see any way how he beats GSP.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:First off the Nick Diaz that got dryhumped by Sean Sherk is not the Nick Diaz that fights today. He has MUCH better striker now and MUCH better BJJ. If they fought today it wouldn't last a round. Same goes for Riggs and Sanchez.

If GSP fights the way he did against Alves he will get destroyed! Alves has no reach and isn't active off his back. Diaz has long arms, long legs and an active guard. GSP took Shields down twice. Once with not enough time left in the round for Shields to do anything, and the second time he practically ran away from him when Shields invited him to the mat. Diaz is better than Shields on the ground, especially off his back.

GSP has major problems with Shields's reach, Diaz is just as long. Look at GSP's face after the fight. Imagine if someone who knew how to throw punches had landed all those shots. BJ beat the shit out of him in the first round of their first fight. Diaz is a better boxer than BJ and has a longer reach. I don't accept the bad eye as an excuse, when he first went back to his corner and complained about his eye Jackson asked him "can you see me?" GSP said yes and Jackson said "well then you can see punches coming". Unless his eye had swelled shut he could still see, even if it was blurry he could still see.

I don't think Fitch would be problematic for Diaz at this point. Fitch needs to get close to work his takedowns, Diaz would pick him apart standing. Koscheck might cause him some problems but he's a far better wrestler than GSP with much better control so I'm not sure that's relevant.

Noons is a top class boxer and he got outboxed by Diaz. Yes he won a round but he was comprehensively beaten on his feet by Diaz. GSP isn't even in the debate in terms of boxing, or power. Diaz can afford to hang his chin against GSP, GSP isn't knocking him out. Diaz fights like that for a reason. There's a video of him sparring with Andre Ward somewhere and he's actually an excellent defensive boxer. GSP on the other hand is poor defensively on his feet.

Ofc he's much better than he was back then, but just compare what baby GSP did to Sherk and what Sherk did to baby Diaz. Riggs is average, any top15 WW should be able to beat him. I think Sanchez could give Diaz a hell of a fight again. He has the ability to take down Diaz and neutralize his BJJ game. Sanchez has very good BJJ himself. Only thing I'd worry about is Diaz and his reach, he could catch Sanchez with a big shot. But if Sanchez grabbed Diaz, he would take him down and beat him like he did last time.

If he fights the way he fought in the 2nd round against Alves, he would cause Diaz a lot of problems. Take him down and attack with some proper GnP offence. Alves had a couple of bruises on his face after that round and it's very hard to defend when someone's throwing punches at you at a furious pace. One of GSP's strongest aspects is that he makes fighters forget there game plan.

My point was that GSP took him down very easily and he would have no problems taking Diaz down if he wanted. There was no reason for GSP to go to the ground as it was the only way Shields would win at the point.

Yes but one would assume that GSP's game plan against Diaz would be not to stand and trade. He would be looking for the take downs. Ofc the eye was an issue, it was after the 3rd round when Shields begain to land strikes. Seeing out of a blurry eye is not easy, I can't imagine what it's like when your fighting someone. Jackson also told GSP to hit Alves with his groin after he tore it. BJ in the first fight also almost poked GSP's eye out and he couldn't see from it. BJ is a better boxer than Diaz anyway.

Fitch would lure Diaz in, Diaz would chase Fitch and then get taken down and sat on his ass. Only needs to happen a couple of times in the fight and then it's done. Fitch is a complete nightmare for Diaz. GSP has better takedowns than Kos one, and I don't think his control is that much worse than Kos. Kos clearly has the better control but GSP's control is quite good in its self. He can normally keep a man down the entire round after a take down.

Noons won 2 rounds in the second fight and if he wasn't too busy playing with his hair, he might have won more. He dismantled him in the first fight. Diaz is far bigger than Noons and the reach was huge, but Noons caused more of the damage. A swift kick to the chin could drop him though. The thing about Diaz is he gets too excitable and gets caught a lot. He was dropped and in serious trouble against Daley, Zaromskis (who's LW and shit) and both Sakurai and Noons dropped him. Sakurai doesn't have better stand up than GSP. I'm pretty sure he has been dropped a couple more times in his career.

Noons won 1 round, the second and got beaten up for the rest of the fight. Noons is a professional boxer, and he got outstruck. And no, he didn't "dismantle" him in the first fight at all. Complete garbage. That was a completely even fight where Diaz got stopped because he cuts easily. GSP is not kicking anyone in the chin. His kicks are telegraphed and badly executed. Daley is the hardest hitter in MMA under 185, if he landed one punch on GSP the fight would be over, Zaromskis has great stand-up and is not shit at all. Diaz destroyed him. He got dropped, was never in serious trouble. Mach hits MUCH harder than GSP and his striking is as good as GSP's. Mach has excellent kickboxing.

Kos has MUCH better takedowns than GSP and is simply a much better wrestler with much better control. Josh Koscheck - all time great wrestler. GSP - Not so much. Fitch would lure Diaz in. What is he? A paedo grooming a child? Diaz trains with Shields every day. Shields is a better version of Fitch. Fitch is not a nightmare for Diaz at all. GSP can keep smaller men with inactive guards down. He's shown he's scared to try and control people with good bottom games.

No, BJ is not a better boxer than Diaz, Diaz has the best boxing in all of MMA with the possible exception of Little Nog and that's only a possibility. You can see a fist coming towards you if you get blurry vision. There was no retina damage at all which shows that GSP was most likely crying over very little as he was against Alves when he claimed he tore his groin, which he didn't(MRI showed it was a pulled muscle, not a tear).

There was no reason for GSP to follow him to the ground??? What are you talking about?? How about finishing the fucking fight?? He took him down, jumped up and ran away. When he knocked him down he chickened out of going to the ground as well! You think he's going to spend 5 rounds taking Diaz down and then getting up and running away???

If GSP fights Diaz the way he fought Alves he will cause him no problems and Diaz will tap him within a round. His GnP is some of the worst around. Ground and tickle cause nobody any problem. Alves had barely a mark on him after the fight. GSP sat in his guard and threw some pillow fisted punches at him. Alves didn't have the length in his limbs to work anything. Diaz does. GSP sits in Diaz's guard, he gets tapped. Simple as.

Diaz would beat Diego Sanchez with ease these days. He's ten times the fighter he was when they first fought and Sanchez has gone backwards in his wrestling. His BJJ has improved but Diaz has improved his a lot more. Sanchez would try and stand with him, and get beaten up. Then try taking him down and either fail or get subbed.

Sean Sherk fights aren't comparable. Sherk fought GSP on short notice. GSP beat him with his speed. Sherk was in top shape against Diaz and used his shortness to his advantage to duck under Diaz's punches and shoot really low and take Diaz down. Unless GSP is going to shrink 5 inches that's not something he can take advantage of.

Diaz is ten times the fighter he was back then. GSP has evolved but he hasn't improved other than in his wrestling. He's become a boring safe fighter who takes no risks and doesn't fight to finish. His greatest strength is avoid conflict.

Noons won two rounds the second and last I beleive, although it could have been the 4th. He won those rounds a lot more convincingly than Diaz won his. If Noons fought to his full potentiol he would have won that fight. He completely dismantled him in the first fight, just look at Diaz and his face after. Noons is a LW as well and Diaz had a big reach advantage. If they were the same size Noons would have won. Tell that to Shields and Hughes who both have been dropped by his kicks. Diaz doesn't have a great chin to just walk through those kicks. Why would GSP even stand with Daley? He could take him down at will. Zaromskis is garbage and he should be a LW. The man who's 0-2 against Che Mills. Any top 20 fighter would beat him very easily. He dropped Diaz badly and could have finished if he didn't stall. Diaz was lucky that under the unified rules as well. Mach's standup is average and he has never koed anyone but LW cans and Aoki. Look at his impressive KO list:

Luciano Azevedo: Only man ever stopped by McKee
Danzig: Worst winner of Tuf ever.
Olaf Alonso: Losing record and has been KOed 7 times.
Hidetaka Monma: Been Koed a bunch of times and is getting up there in years
Shibata: Losing record and been Koed 4 times
Aoki: A LW and has one of the worst chins in MMA today

Hardly an impressive list of KOs. GSP's standup is much better.

GSP has far better take downs, it's not even close. Compare there two fights and there fight with Alves. GSP has never fought anyone he couldn't take down. Kos has better control. Even if Kos is what you day he is, GSP out wrestled him. Fitch would be cautious in his apporach, wait for Diaz to chase him and then put Diaz on his ass. That happens 3 times and the fight is over. Very easy fight for Fitch. GSP stayed in BJ's guard didn't he? in both fights. BJ has better BJJ than Diaz. He stayed in Serra's guard as well.

You severely overate Diaz and his boxing. Since when has BJ ever been dropped and hit as much as Diaz does. BJ is a much better boxer, didn't he win some kind of title in boxing? I think Anderson Silva and Overeem are probably better boxers as well. I think both would have a lot more success in boxing than Diaz. Both have far more power and get hit a lot less. Lil Nog as well. It's a lot harder to see what's coming with blurred visions, that's why fights are stopped sometimes. The eye was a clear factor as to why his performance got worse after that. Even pulling a muscle near the groin hurts a lot. And these two incidents show GSP's somewhat lack of mental strength more than anything.

He didn't need to go the ground because he was winning the fight. He would have given SHields his only chance of winning if he went to the ground. Do you think GSP would have stopped SHields on the ground? No.

His GnP has been damaging in the past. Sherk, Hughes, BJ and Fitch have all suffered from it. It does cause damage, Serra as well is another. ALves briefly felt the force, and he had a couple of bruises after the 2nd round. If GSP fights more like he did against Serra, he'll have a very good chance of beating Diaz. He is far stronger and physically superior to Diaz and has the ability to manhandle him.

Diaz doesn't have very good take down defense. Sanchez has gone back in wrestling but he would still have enough to take Diaz down and beat him up. Sanchez is another tough match up for Diaz, Diaz still has lot to prove.

Sanchez, Fitch, Kos, Alves are all fighters that could very easily beat him. He needs to beat at least one of those before he is anywhere near GSP. Diaz's biggest win is against Daley, who was completely dominated by Kos who was dominated by GSP and is only like GSP's 5th biggest win. The difference in the level of competition faced is quite shocking.

Wrong. Diaz won 4 rounds clearly. Diaz won the fight convincingly and dominated Noons on their feet. Yet more lies about the first fight which you clearly haven't seen. Diaz was matching Noons in that fight until it was stopped. Why do you insist on lying?? If they were the same size Noons would have won?? What?

Hughes ducked into that kick and Shields should have blocked it. GSP's kicks are poor and yes, Diaz does have the chin to walk through them, even if he gets dropped, he's got no worries about getting stopped.

Zaromskis has great striking. Hughes is 0-2 to Hallman. Is he shit too? Zaromskis is not crap and a decent sized WW. Diaz has been stopped once, when he was 19. But you have decided that Zaromskis could have finished him. COMPLETE SHITE.

Mach has good kickboxing, equal to that of GSP, and he has more power than GSP.

Koscheck has better wrestling in EVERY aspect to GSP. Koscheck is top 3 all time in MMA when it comes to wrestling(Behind Randleman and Sonnen). GSP might not crack the top 50. GSP outwrestled him when Kos had stopped training wrestling for over a year. Second time they fought, Kos proved who the better wrestler was and GSP was left jabbing and jogging.

No, BJ has never won anything in boxing. OVEREEM??? Are you fucking kidding me?? So because BJ gets hit less than Diaz(which may or may not be true but Diaz lets people hit him) he's a better boxer? Complete garbage. Only Little Nog compares to Diaz.

He didn't go to the ground because he has no heart and was scared. GSP should fuck off and compete in point scoring Karate. He doesn't want to fight.

Matt Serra = fat LW. No comparison to Diaz, GSP wouldn't be able to fight like that against Diaz. GSP did nothing to Alves except try and penetrate him. Hughes? He barely landed any GnP against him. Headkick which Hughes ducked into(would have hit him in the ribs otherwise), followed by a couple of punches when Hughes was all over the place. Fuck all GnP in the second fight. He won't fight the way he did against Fitch because he's scared to fight. Fitch also has no stand-up.

Sanchez would be a walk in the park for Diaz. He'd beat Fitch. Koscheck - best wrestler in the division, and Alves - best overall striker in the division, are the only two that would cause him problems. He'd have a harder time with them than he would with GSP IMO. Style wise, Diaz is too much for GSP.

GSP did not dominate Kos, he barely beat him the first time and the second time he got lucky with the broken bone and spent the rest of the fight running away.

Cowboy From Hell wrote:I honestly don't see Condit giving GSP any problems I love Condit the man is just relentless and is as tough as they come but I don't see any way how he beats GSP.

Don't think he'd beat him either but he'd make him fight. And if he did catch him with that right hand you never know. GlassChin St. Powderpuff has been known to fall over.