UFC 146,The Heavyweights

#RallyForMarkHunt

GSPfan11 wrote:

p4pnumber_1 wrote:Just read Cain will be out with a broken hand for at least 6 months, looks like we'll have to wait for the rematch.

Who would you have up next for JDS then mate? We gone see more online petitions started by ginginho lol

Hell yeah

Hunt will be ready just in time..... there must have been quite a movement for Hunt when Overeem was caught pissing hot, especially for Dana to mention it. I just wonder how large.....

Dana White - making the fights fans want to see since 2001

It seems Varner has a suspected broken hand aswell, Miller, Dollaway and Volkmann all have suspected broken thumbs... What the hell is going on

It turns out that while we thought Overeem could fight on the NYE card, he can only apply for a license on December 27th, so UFC aren't going to book him in a title fight in the hope he can have a lincese approved 2 days before the fight. It's not confirmed that Cain has a broken hand yet, and even if he does, November seems like a reasonable time to have their fight anyway.

Cormier makes the most sense but that won't happen. Shame because it would be a great fight.

Also can't see Velasquez beating JDS standing, no HW fighter can handle JDS standing and it's becoming a problem because he has cleaned out the division aside from Overoid who is a cheat.

Cain doesn't have to handle him standing, he just needs to get hold of him and take him down. Then it becomes interesting. Had Cain got hold of JDS the way Mir did, they fight would have gone to the ground.

Agree that no HW can handle JDS standing. I think he should switch to pro boxing. He'd make mega money over there. HW boxing is crying out for a new hero.

Problem with fighting JDS though is you can't shoot from a distance and get him down because he will stuff it. He is quick and very strong. You have to come in close and try and grab him and when you do that, you risk eating a couple of his powerful shots. That's why I think is a terrible matchup for Cain.

I think you need someone slightly more athletic. Cormier might be able to shoot from distance and get him down but I would favour JDS in a fight. Lack of options right now at HW. I want to see Jones move up to HW.

Do you think he would be a success at boxing? The HW division outside the Kiltchiko brothers is a bit of a joke and after Chisora and Haye embarrassed themselves, it has hardly painted a positive picture for the sport.

Anfields5thKing wrote:Cain doesn't have to handle him standing, he just needs to get hold of him and take him down. Then it becomes interesting. Had Cain got hold of JDS the way Mir did, they fight would have gone to the ground.

Agree that no HW can handle JDS standing. I think he should switch to pro boxing. He'd make mega money over there. HW boxing is crying out for a new hero.

really think Overeem can't handle him standing?
I know Dos Santos has the speed but i think Overeem is much more versatile and if he clinches with anyone they might as well throw the towel in.

manschesthair_utd wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:Cain doesn't have to handle him standing, he just needs to get hold of him and take him down. Then it becomes interesting. Had Cain got hold of JDS the way Mir did, they fight would have gone to the ground.

Agree that no HW can handle JDS standing. I think he should switch to pro boxing. He'd make mega money over there. HW boxing is crying out for a new hero.

really think Overeem can't handle him standing?
I know Dos Santos has the speed but i think Overeem is much more versatile and if he clinches with anyone they might as well throw the towel in.

Reem on roids maybe, but not without them. JDS boxes his ears off all night long, and if he tries to clinch with him JDS takes him to the ground where he enjoys a huge advantage.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Problem with fighting JDS though is you can't shoot from a distance and get him down because he will stuff it. He is quick and very strong. You have to come in close and try and grab him and when you do that, you risk eating a couple of his powerful shots. That's why I think is a terrible matchup for Cain.

I think you need someone slightly more athletic. Cormier might be able to shoot from distance and get him down but I would favour JDS in a fight. Lack of options right now at HW. I want to see Jones move up to HW.

Do you think he would be a success at boxing? The HW division outside the Kiltchiko brothers is a bit of a joke and after Chisora and Haye embarrassed themselves, it has hardly painted a positive picture for the sport.

Cain has good enough head movement to get inside on JDS. Their first fight isn't something I'd put too much stock in. Cain was caught cold because JDS is normally a pretty slow starter for the first minute or so. Had he known about the knee injury JDS was carrying he'd have fought differently but he was obviously concerned with his own injury.

I think Cain is just as bad a match for JDS, as JDS is for Cain. Cain's quickness, movement, head movement and ability to explode and get inside quickly could cause him problems. Like I said, Mir should have gotten the takedown. If Cain gets hold of him like that, it's going to the floor.

What do you think happens if he does get him down? So far JDS has shown great ability to get back to his feet although he hasn't faced a wrestler anywhere near the level of Velasquez. However I can't see Cain being able to decimate JDS with GnP like he has done to all his other opponents. Also Cain might have good head movement but I'm not sure he can keep his head away for 5 rounds without eventually getting clipped and finished.

So far JDS has shown great ability to get back to his feet although he hasn't faced a wrestler anywhere near the level of Velasquez.

He's faced someone close enough to Velasquez' level, cant quite think of who it was though...

Oh yes it was Cain himself ... lol I know what you're saying though mate, he didnt face his wrestling in that fight..but I geniunely think JDS' tdd is too good. The only way I see Cain getting JDS to the mat is via a knockdown. But I think JDS is too good standing for him also.

p4pnumber_1 wrote:

So far JDS has shown great ability to get back to his feet although he hasn't faced a wrestler anywhere near the level of Velasquez.

He's faced someone close enough to Velasquez' level, cant quite think of who it was though...

Oh yes it was Cain himself ... lol I know what you're saying though mate, he didnt face his wrestling in that fight..but I geniunely think JDS' tdd is too good. The only way I see Cain getting JDS to the mat is via a knockdown. But I think JDS is too good standing for him also.

werdum ,
higher level ground game than cain
still got fucked up in first round
cain does shite against JDS

p4pnumber_1 wrote:

So far JDS has shown great ability to get back to his feet although he hasn't faced a wrestler anywhere near the level of Velasquez.

He's faced someone close enough to Velasquez' level, cant quite think of who it was though...

Oh yes it was Cain himself ... lol I know what you're saying though mate, he didnt face his wrestling in that fight..but I geniunely think JDS' tdd is too good. The only way I see Cain getting JDS to the mat is via a knockdown. But I think JDS is too good standing for him also.

But you know what I meant and I agree with you. I think JDS is going to be at the top of the division for a while.

p4pnumber_1 wrote:but I geniunely think JDS' tdd is too good.

based on?

thebadgersbits wrote:

p4pnumber_1 wrote:

So far JDS has shown great ability to get back to his feet although he hasn't faced a wrestler anywhere near the level of Velasquez.

He's faced someone close enough to Velasquez' level, cant quite think of who it was though...

Oh yes it was Cain himself ... lol I know what you're saying though mate, he didnt face his wrestling in that fight..but I geniunely think JDS' tdd is too good. The only way I see Cain getting JDS to the mat is via a knockdown. But I think JDS is too good standing for him also.

werdum ,
higher level ground game than cain
still got fucked up in first round
cain does shite against JDS

Werdum has a higher level ground game but nowhere near the ability to get the fight to the ground which is what matters here.

Werdum just lies on his back and begs people to jump into his guard....

efils_god wrote:

thebadgersbits wrote:

p4pnumber_1 wrote:

So far JDS has shown great ability to get back to his feet although he hasn't faced a wrestler anywhere near the level of Velasquez.

He's faced someone close enough to Velasquez' level, cant quite think of who it was though...

Oh yes it was Cain himself ... lol I know what you're saying though mate, he didnt face his wrestling in that fight..but I geniunely think JDS' tdd is too good. The only way I see Cain getting JDS to the mat is via a knockdown. But I think JDS is too good standing for him also.

werdum ,
higher level ground game than cain
still got fucked up in first round
cain does shite against JDS

Werdum has a higher level ground game but nowhere near the ability to get the fight to the ground which is what matters here.

Werdum just lies on his back and begs people to jump into his guard....

true true

then goes back to the obvious standing cain gets fucked up

thebadgersbits wrote:

efils_god wrote:

thebadgersbits wrote:

p4pnumber_1 wrote:

So far JDS has shown great ability to get back to his feet although he hasn't faced a wrestler anywhere near the level of Velasquez.

He's faced someone close enough to Velasquez' level, cant quite think of who it was though...

Oh yes it was Cain himself ... lol I know what you're saying though mate, he didnt face his wrestling in that fight..but I geniunely think JDS' tdd is too good. The only way I see Cain getting JDS to the mat is via a knockdown. But I think JDS is too good standing for him also.

werdum ,
higher level ground game than cain
still got fucked up in first round
cain does shite against JDS

Werdum has a higher level ground game but nowhere near the ability to get the fight to the ground which is what matters here.

Werdum just lies on his back and begs people to jump into his guard....

true true

then goes back to the obvious standing cain gets fucked up

Of course, but he has a much better chance of getting JDS down. Standing, both Cain and Werdum are dead, but Werdum can't get JDS down, Cain probably can.