UFC 140 - JONES VS MACHIDA !!!

Yeah I think machida beats hendo as well.

Of coarse Hendo is a threat for anyone when you pack a punch like his and can take a shot to dish one of them out,I just don't think he'll get past shogun,machida nor rampage for that matter,so I don't see him ever getting the chance to fight Bones.

If somehow it did happen,I think against Bones,like your self he would get tossed around and i also think with the reach disadvantage,just like against anderson,he wouldn't be able to close the distance to get that big shot off,he'd get picked apart and slowly broke down.

I'm also not buying that babalu is a good win for any top ranked fighter anymore,the guys done at a high level in MMA.
I rate Feijao but who has he beat that proves he's top 10?

he beat palhares in Palhare's 2nd UFC fight,so he wasn't a ranked fighter at the time,good win non the less,he sparked bisping,who most on here not long ago where naming 15-20 MW's that they thought could beat him and he got dominated,after he couldn't finish sheilds in the first,but anyway these are all MW's,not guys that i think would be challenging for the LHW belt.

At LHW since losing to Rampage,he won a close fight against franklin,who's hardly set the LHW division on fire,so I'm not sure how Rich gets a top 10 LHW ranking,he then beat,IMO an unranked babalu,followed by a good win against the unproven Feijao.

Then his personal crowning achievement,he beat Fedor,it's a great name for anyone to have on their records,but with fedor being on the end of his worst period in his fighting history,questions surround fedor,if he still is the fighter he once was.

look you should all know by now I'm a fan of hendo's,but this he's in the form of his life at 41 and the fact that his current resurgence has happened while fighting outside the UFC,where he'd of been fighting the likes of Shogun,machida,bones,Rampage,even Silva instead,well you'll have to forgive me,If I'm not 100% buying into it.

redmeanie77 wrote:

Anfields5thKing wrote:

redmeanie77 wrote:



Cant see how Macheata wins this fight. Infact this is going to be quite a dull fight with Jones pressing Machida up against cage working strikes and elbows from clinch and getting takedowns. Bones UD or late stoppage as someone mentioned.


Nice to see Hashad's plan backfire on his face. Calling Bones out for UFC 140 and then pulling out.


After this fight all that will be left is Evans, who will undoubtedley wait again until he gets a title shot. Then we can start to see some new guys getting shots at top. Davis, Gustaffson hopefully.

Bones would have to catch Machida before he can use his wall and stall tactics.

Nice to see you revising history. Well done.

Gustaffson?? Let's see him beating ANYBODY before calling for title shots.

The same Machida who got controlled against the cage by Rampage and Shogun?? The same Machida who ate a punch or a quick elbow after every release from clintch against cage at UFC 104?? Just wait till UFC 140 spining elbows all night. The same Machida who got taken down against cage by Rampage of all people?? How does one get taken down by Rampage these days??


Yes Gustaffson would give Jones interesting dilemma with his reach, also hits very hard. Davis is ofcourse best wrestler in the UFC division, i would like to see both guy face Bones after the same recycled top 5 fighter there get dominated.

No no, that's the same Machida who left Rampage punching thin air and counter punched the shit out of him before getting screwed out of a decision, and counter punched the shit out of Shogun on route to victory. Then he was easily dealing with Shogun before getting caught with a fluke punch to the temple in the rematch. Since Bones doesn't have any power, he doesn't need to worry about Jones KOing him. Shogun only had success with wall and stall AFTER he had kicked Machida's legs a bunch of times and slowed him down. Bones's leg kicks don't do any damage so Machida won't be slowing down.

Both Shogun and Rampage hit A LOT harder than pillowfists Bones. Has he ever knocked anyone out, oh yes he has actually. Parker Porter and Carlos Eduardo. Who the fuck are Parker Porter and Carlos Eduardo??

Davis is a great wrestler, and will get a title shot. Gustaffson is pretty average and doesn't look to have anything close to top 5 abiliy. So unless everyone else retires, no title shot for him.

Sheldan wrote:

pinsman wrote:Mate Dan Henderson just beat the man that every man and his dog bums on this forum including me! He is in the form of his life! He'd smash through Rampage now, he fought rampage at a time when jackson was on fire coming off a knock out win against Liddel WHO had dominated the LHW division for fecking years! Jackson of 5 or 6 years ago would have been twice the fighter that fought Bones the other week!

Dan Henderson is still the agressive little bastard that he was years ago and will take a fight to anyone! I see him breaking bones' jaw!

I certainly don't bum Fedor, and I think Henderson's win over him is making some assume Hendo is the second coming all of a sudden. Remember this is the same Fedor that was pushed all the way by the mighty Brett Rogers, and was just destroyed by the same Big Foot Silva that just got dominated by Daniel Cormier. I'd back Jones with all my money against Henderson, I see it going the same way as the Rampage fight, Jones keeping the distance, using his leg kicks, wearing down Henderson (which won't take very long as he is 41) and then getting the stoppage.

Pushed by Rogers?? Rogers landed a jab which caused blood and that was about the height of it. Fedor won that fight easy. People got all excited because an existing cut reopened and Rogers have about 3 seconds of GnP after Fedor made a mistake.

Destroyed by Silva?? He got taken down and sat on. He's always had bad skin and swelled easily. The eye injury stopped the fight, an eye injury which is pretty easy to cause to someone prone to cutting and swelling.

Hendo's cardio at 205 is excellent. Don't get confused between his issues at 185 and now.

payneNglory1 wrote:I have a feeling that we will be seeing Rashad fight Davis for his next fight

Rashad wins that with better striking, far more power and his speed. Needs to drill takedown defence until that fight happens because he's far better than Davis everywhere else.

superman_punch wrote:Anfield who do you like more Jones or Edgar? Do you give any of them any credit? And yes I have heard of thiago silva and rashad and I saw what machida did to them. I appreciate his skill and rank him top 3/4 in UFC. but I also saw him fluke his way past Shogun and then get hammered in the rematch that he didn't deserve. If that guy shows up against Jones it's goodnight.

Beat Shogun in the first fight fair and square, was winning the second fight pretty comfortably until that fluke right hand caught him off balance.

Jones has no power. He's not knocking Machida out standing.

Oh, and I like Edgar more. He's not a complete prick. Nor does he duck fights. He doesn't deserve his belt, he's lost 2 out 3 fights for a title he should never have challenged for to begin with, but he's not a coward. He fights men much bigger than him and fights whoever he's told, rather than fighting below his natural weightclass and ducking people and then talking shit about them.

pinsman wrote:CLEARED OUT THE DIVISION... (sorry im late)!!!!!!!]

all im saying is DAN FUCKING HENDERSON!

Indeed. Hendo has beaten the great fighters at their best. Also one of the smartest fighters in MMA. He just needs to catch Jones ONCE and it's over.

payneNglory1 wrote:Is that the same Dan Henderson who at LHW lost to Rampage and squeaked a split decision against Franklin?

Two strikeforce wins against a poor Babalu and Feijao,don't IMO reinstate him as a Title contender in the UFC.

I love Dan,but I'm not getting carried away with his recent results,I can't see him getting past shogun to be honest and I really don't think he will be having any say in the UFC LHW title picture.

If the same Shogun that Bones fought turns up that fight lasts 15 seconds and Hendo is walking away with his hands in the air while Shogun has a nap.

rudeboyben84 wrote:

payneNglory1 wrote:Is that the same Dan Henderson who at LHW lost to Rampage and squeaked a split decision against Franklin?

Two strikeforce wins against a poor Babalu and Feijao,don't IMO reinstate him as a Title contender in the UFC.

I love Dan,but I'm not getting carried away with his recent results,I can't see him getting past shogun to be honest and I really don't think he will be having any say in the UFC LHW title picture.

Yeah lost to Rampage when he was top Lhw in the world? Ramapge was still fighting like Rampage then because he wasnt training by jogging about liverpool in trackies, he could actually wrestle and was comple top dog and Hendo did ok, won a round or 2 and lasted the distance.

I dont expect Hendo is the man to beat Jones, Wrestling wise he will get tossed about because of the Size difference but to not see Hendo as a threat is madness. Babalu went 6-1 and coming off a win over Lawler... top 15ish

So Hendo has gone 6-1 in his last 7

Beat
Top 10 Hw - That was Fedor!
Top 10 Lhw
Top 15 Lhw
Top 15 Mw
Top 10 Lhw
Top 15 Mw

Any UFC Fighter that made a run like that would be talked about as a threat to Jones, especially one who showed such KO power and Chin. The least you would think is that he has a good chance to see what Jones chin is like because against Hendos front footed looping hayemakers most people drop.

I think he may not be the man to beat him, right now you cant put anyone as a favorite against him but champs are tested by putting fighers who will offer something different against him and I dont think he has faced a Dan Henderson yet.

Out of interest I know you think Shogun will beat Hendo but do you think Machida would?

The wrestling thing depends on Hendo's condition. Unless he's gassed Hendo can keep his pace against Jones. Jones's wrestling is ridiculously over-rated. He's efficient with takedowns because of his long limbs. Not because he's a great wrestler. He needs to clinch to get people down, and he's never faced anyone with Hendo's level of Greco. Or Hendo's level of anything to be honest.

I think Machida beats Hendo with his speeds and striking from angles, by decision. I don't think Shogun beats Hendo.

rudeboyben84 wrote:

pinsman wrote:Mate Dan Henderson just beat the man that every man and his dog bums on this forum including me! He is in the form of his life! He'd smash through Rampage now, he fought rampage at a time when jackson was on fire coming off a knock out win against Liddel WHO had dominated the LHW division for fecking years! Jackson of 5 or 6 years ago would have been twice the fighter that fought Bones the other week!

Dan Henderson is still the agressive little bastard that he was years ago and will take a fight to anyone! I see him breaking bones' jaw!

Haha great minds and all mate!

Hendo is the guy id most like to see beat him now. You backing him to beat Shogun.

Hendo and Overeem and Diaz are all going for number 1 contenders fights, I really hope they become the champs in their respective devisions would make me a happy man.

Don't forget Gilbert looks like he's coming over soon as well.

Agree with you both, the current Ramplod is done. Needs to change camps or quit. The Rampage that landed in the UFC from Pride was far far better.

rudeboyben84 wrote:Haha great minds and all mate!

Hendo is the guy id most like to see beat him now. You backing him to beat Shogun.

Hendo and Overeem and Diaz are all going for number 1 contenders fights, I really hope they become the champs in their respective devisions would make me a happy man.

I see Hendo beating Shogun of now, if he even makes the fight! I'm not sure with Machida he can be fucking awesome, he can be pretty boring... i've never seen him fight badly. I'd love to see him beat bones and then fight Hendo for the title, with hendo knocking him out.

I'm a massive Overeem fan so would love to see him be the first the knock out Lesnar and them beat who ever the champ is at HW.

Diaz i'm not sure about... I'm not his biggest fan, hate his attitude! But at the same time see him being the only one that can trouble GSP, so because of that would love to see him get there and kick his ass.

Machida is probably the most interesting fight for Jones but I still think he loses. If Nakamura and Sokoudjou and Rampage can take Machida down I think Jones can.

I don't think Hendo has the speed to beat Machida or Shogun. He's going to be at a serious speed disadvantage against both of them and he struggled against the speed of Cavlcante and Fedor early. Sure he recovered and Knocked them both out, but I can't see him landing on Machida. Far too elusive. If Hendo were to beat Machida, he'd have to take him down. Shoguns too quick for Hendo as well.

Machida has been taken down by a bunch of fighters and Jones takedowns have been very good up and till this point. I reckon he can take him down, I'm not sure he can dominate him when he gets him down though.

Sunthunder can u remember if BJ took him down aswell? im pretty sure he did.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:I don't think Hendo has the speed to beat Machida or Shogun. He's going to be at a serious speed disadvantage against both of them and he struggled against the speed of Cavlcante and Fedor early. Sure he recovered and Knocked them both out, but I can't see him landing on Machida. Far too elusive. If Hendo were to beat Machida, he'd have to take him down. Shoguns too quick for Hendo as well.

Machida has been taken down by a bunch of fighters and Jones takedowns have been very good up and till this point. I reckon he can take him down, I'm not sure he can dominate him when he gets him down though.

Depends on which Shogun turns up though. And Shogun's speed is in his forward movement anyway, he's always been pretty slow and moving back and out of the way.

Jones hasn't faced anyone with a decent ground game yet, so even if he gets him down, Machida's a much higher level grappler than anyone he's faced before.

Really looking forward to this fight. Machida can be frustrating to watch at times but i think thats exactly how he needs to fight against Bones stay on the outside until he's ready to engage.

Think its definitely the toughest fight of both fighters career as neither has faced anything like what they will in this fight. Jones may have a huge reach advantage but Machidas timing is normally brilliant so should be able to test Jones' chin.

I'm hoping for a Machida win but if i had to put money on it I'd say Jones.

Also as much as i like shogun i'll be hoping Hendo beats him as i'd like to see how bones copes with someone willing to walk threw his shots to land his own.

Anfields5thKing wrote:

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:I don't think Hendo has the speed to beat Machida or Shogun. He's going to be at a serious speed disadvantage against both of them and he struggled against the speed of Cavlcante and Fedor early. Sure he recovered and Knocked them both out, but I can't see him landing on Machida. Far too elusive. If Hendo were to beat Machida, he'd have to take him down. Shoguns too quick for Hendo as well.

Machida has been taken down by a bunch of fighters and Jones takedowns have been very good up and till this point. I reckon he can take him down, I'm not sure he can dominate him when he gets him down though.

Depends on which Shogun turns up though. And Shogun's speed is in his forward movement anyway, he's always been pretty slow and moving back and out of the way.

Jones hasn't faced anyone with a decent ground game yet, so even if he gets him down, Machida's a much higher level grappler than anyone he's faced before.

Ye it does depend on which Shogun turns up, but I don't buy this idea that Shogun is some sort of enigma. He just doesn't fight well after coming from injuries and long lay offs. If he comes in like he came in to either of the Machida fights he'll win quite easily IMO. Also he might not be the quickest going backwards, but he is also quite a hard fighter to hit, especially when it comes to one big shot.

Ye that's why I'm not sure whether or not Jones can dominate him if he gets him down. We haven't seen that much of Machida fighting off his back.

I wonder how pissed you'll be if Jones wins. The fighter you hate the most (aside from Bisping?) against your favorite fighter.

He has to cope with him before he can beat him and one lucky punch from Shogun aside, nobody has been able to deal with him. He beat Shogun first time around, was winning the fight second time around until that fluke punch. He beat Rampage and only in MMA can you get beaten clearly and be given a victory for plodding forward and swinging at thin air.

Jones has never faced anyone half as good as Machida, or anyone as elusive as Machida. Lyoto will cause him major problems in the stand-up. Everyone Jones has fought thus far has just stood in front of him and waited to be hit. Machida won't.

Machida's competed in a number of grappling contests against high end BJJ blackbelts and always done well.

Im rooting for machida, dont like Jones at all!