Happy Brocktober to all Armbar members!

is he a popular fighter though he gets alot of boos when he fights.

Popular probably wasn't the best word to use. I meant "well-known".

I'm not sure he's more well known than Liddell or Couture.

What he has is the pro-wrestling fanbase. that's the only reason the UFC signed him and pushed him as hard and fast as they did.

It's a slap in the face to much better fighters though.

Here's hoping Cain performs at his best, if he does we'll have a new UFC HW champion.

He might only be 5-1,not have the most rounded game in the sport,but he is by a long way the biggest draw in the sport.

This is why he was given an undeserved title shot,might not of been fair from a sporting stand point,but from a buisness one,it was an obvious match up.
I give him credit now though,he might not of been a deserving challenger in the first place,but for me,after beating,Mir,Herring,Randy and Carwin back to back(the carwin one,after being out for a year with a career threatening illness),he's deserving now,to be called a legit champ.

The thing with Brock is,he had more fans that followed him than any MMA fighter had,even before he started his MMA career,so obviously everyone wanted to board the Brock money train from the start,over the years,he's proven to be a great investment,and to try and get the most out of your investment,you need to get him as much exposure as possible,plus the fact he had more chance than any other fighter,to attract more people to the sport,because of his fame that he already carried.

He has been managed fantasticly,most guys that would have done what he has,would of disapeared into obscurity,I mean from being a amatuer wrestling star,then the biggest WWE star,and then giving it all up to try his hand at football and not actually making it,that should of been career suicide,but instead of disapearing or returning to wrestling,he trys his hand at MMA and not only does OK,but wins the belt and according to nearly every MMA site out there,is now ranked as the best HW in the world.

I don't care if you like him or not,that is a fucking impressive life story and it's no wonder he has the following he does,love him or hate him,he is by a distance the biggest draw in MMA,everyone seems to tune into his fights,infact i'd bet that if he turned up to play in a Live Tennis match,more people would tune in to watch this,than what strikeforce have got on a few of their live events.

id pay to see him play tennis lol.i agree with what payne said doing what he has previous to beating mir and randy two former champs is the real dogs bollocks.

payneNglory1 wrote:,then the biggest WWE star,

Not even close

not the biggest star ever but the WWE were building him to be their main guy at one stage

Always played second fiddle to Angle.

And in terms of draw he was never a huge draw. The Rock, Austin, Goldberg, Hogan, Triple H and Jericho were all much bigger draws.

clean wins over taker, rock and hogan though off the top of my head. pretty big deal

Clean wins mean little since the late 90's. Once Vince Russo took over as head of creative at WWE clean wins stopped meaning anything. Lesnar came in at a time when the WWE was a mess. The Rock was part-time and Austin was constantly injured. They flung the belt at everyone in the hope it would stick on someone.

And his "wins" came at a time when Paul Heyman was creative director of Smackdown. Heyman was Lesnar's mentor. He was never given the lead spot on Raw. If he's been such a big deal they wouldn't have allowed him to walk away. They'd have offered him a top tier contract. They'd have given him Goldberg's contract as it was Goldberg they tried to imitate with Lesnar.

Taker was a bigger draw as well, forgot about him completely.

in wwe lesnar was a massive heel and thats regarded better than tha faces. he was a 3 time champion, 2002 king of the ring winner and won the 2003 royal rumble. taker said in an interview after thier 2004 hell in a cell match that lesnar had the potential to be the best in the business.

the_king wrote:in wwe lesnar was a massive heel and thats regarded better than tha faces. he was a 3 time champion, 2002 king of the ring winner and won the 2003 royal rumble. taker said in an interview after thier 2004 hell in a cell match that lesnar had the potential to be the best in the business.

What are you talking about? Lesnar was never a "massive heel". Lesnar was a heel, but never was he a "massive heel". Heels generate heat, Lesnar never had close to top level heat the way JBL and Angle did around Lesnar's time in WWE, or Jericho and Edge did afterwards. Nor was he close to Triple H, Taker, Shawn Michaels, Rock and Austin when they had heel runs. Heyman generated far more heat than Lesnar.

Being a heel is not regarded as "better" than being a face. It's much harder to be a face. As a heel you can pretty much do and say whatever you want.

Lesnar's accomplishments aren't all that impressive other than being the youngest person they ever put the belt on. He was NEVER one of the top stars on Raw. And Raw is where they have their marquee names.

Oh, Lesnar and Taker didn't have a Hell in a Cell match in 2004. And i'd be amazed if Taker said anything of the sort.

oh yes they did,

i cannot find the taker interview but he basically said that he was his favourite work as he could put him over as a face and also brought another level of intensity to the ring.

How about this for "heat" ?

the_king wrote:i cannot find the taker interview but he basically said that he was his favourite work as he could put him over as a face and also brought another level of intensity to the ring.

you won't be able to find it.

And I never said they didn't have a hell in a cell match. I said they didn't have 1 in 2004 as you claimed.

redmeanie77 wrote:How about this for "heat" ?

That's the type of shit i'm talking about though. Can imagine them putting the Undertaker, Edge, Austin or any of the top shelf guys in such a ridiculous situation??

it was 2002 no 2004 my apologies anfield got my dates muddled. changing the subject from brock in wwe did he ever play a match for the vikings??

As if clean wins over taker and hogan mean nothing lol

who has actually beaten hogan clean? warrior and lesnar are the only 2 I can think of!

Albion_Oakley wrote:As if clean wins over taker and hogan mean nothing lol

who has actually beaten hogan clean? warrior and lesnar are the only 2 I can think of!

And Rock, Austin, Sting, Hart, Big Show in WCW. And a dozen others as well.

the_king wrote:it was 2002 no 2004 my apologies anfield got my dates muddled. changing the subject from brock in wwe did he ever play a match for the vikings??

He survived until final cuts so i'm assuming he played a couple of pre-season games.

Anfields5thKing wrote:

Albion_Oakley wrote:As if clean wins over taker and hogan mean nothing lol

who has actually beaten hogan clean? warrior and lesnar are the only 2 I can think of!

And Rock, Austin, Sting, Hart, Big Show in WCW. And a dozen others as well.

Rock, at summerslam yeah good shout
dont remember hogan vs austin or hart vs austin or show vs austin?

stings win was hardly clean, wasnt that the one with the bret hrat related screwjob finish?

Sting beat him more than once. The Starrcade one was a clean submission.

Taker beat him clean for the belt in Hogan's first run back in WWE after WCW as well.

Hogan lost clean to a lot of guys over the years. He held a lot of guys down but he did lose clean on a number of occasions.

fair 'nuff!