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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:23 pm

    long read:


    Strikeforce and M-1 say Fedor negotiations ongoing; Jan. 29 fight "not set"
    by Steven Marrocco on Dec 17, 2010 at 3:15 pm ET

    A deal to bring Fedor Emelianenko back to the Strikeforce cage has not been finalized, according to representatives from the California-based promotion and M-1 Global.

    And while a matchup between Emelianenko and Strikeforce heavyweight Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva is possible, a Strikeforce official today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) a date is not set.

    "It all depends where these negotiations take us," Strikeforce spokesperson Mike Afromowitz said.

    A report today on MMAWeekly.com stated Emelianenko (31-2 MMA, 1-1 SF) is in discussions to meet Silva (14-2 MMA, 1-1 SF) at a Strikeforce event slated for Jan. 29 at the HP Pavilion in San Jose.

    But both Strikeforce and M-1 officials say they're still negotiating a contract that includes the services of Emelianenko as well as co-promotional agreement that could bring M-1 Global events to Strikeforce broadcast partner Showtime.

    "We are really hoping that we can finalize things as soon as possible," M-1 representative Evgeni Kogan told MMAjunkie.com. "We have been steadily working toward an agreement. And I think we are closer to it now than we have been in the past."

    Kogan added that Jan. 29 is "not on the table," though he declined to discuss further details of negotiations.

    Earlier this month, Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker echoed Kogan's comments when he said Emelianenko's return looks more certain than ever.

    "I think we're moving in the right direction," he told MMAjunkie.com following "Strikeforce: Henderson vs. Babalu II." "It sounds like it's getting very close."

    M-1 Global head Vadim Finkelstein in October told MMAjunkie.com that his company is negotiating primarily with Showtime to secure Emelianenko's return and said the heavyweight's next opponent has not been a sticking point in talks. He said talks for Emelianenko to fight Silva did not go past the preliminary stage.

    As to how long the Russian heavyweight can remain on the shelf, the executive said the fighter's current deal is "open to interpretation."

    "There's a reasonable period of time when the fight has to happen, and pretty soon now we'll know whether or not it will be a fight under the existing contract or a new contract," Finkelchtein said. "We have an agreement in place, and that agreement has one more fight on it.

    "If we have to operate under that agreement, that's perfectly fine. But if we have the opportunity to make the relationship more long term, than certainly we're open to that as well. So we feel fine about that in terms of Fedor's career because we know at some point very soon, he's going to have a fight."

    Emelianenko has not competed since he suffered a shocking submission loss to Fabricio Werdum at "Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Werdum" earlier this year. A rematch between the two appeared to be in the works before Werdum underwent surgery for a damaged elbow and was put on the bench until early next year. Emelianenko previously had flirted with the possibility of retirement, but the loss to Werdum ultimately stoked his competitive fires. In an August interview with M-1 Global's website, he hinted that a new contract with Strikeforce could last for up to four to six fights.

    Emelianenko signed a three-fight deal with Strikeforce in August 2009 after intense negotiations with both Strikeforce and the UFC. He made his promotional debut a year ago, when he stopped the previously undefeated Brett Rogers at "Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers."

    Afromowitz said it's "possible" Emelianenko could compete against Silva in a heavyweight tournament expected to begin in February, though that will be determined by the outcome of talks with M-1.



    M1 decision on whether or not to extend the contract is crucial, because of the heavyweight tournament could suffer greatly without Fedor.


    so who would you like to see in the tournament?

    here is a list of their heavyweights in a general ranking:

    Fabricio Werdum
    Fedor Emelianenko
    Alistair Overeem (champ)
    Antonio Silva
    Josh Barnett
    Sergei Kharitonov
    Shane Del Rosario
    Brett Rogers
    Andrei Arlovski
    Lavar Johnson
    Chad Griggs
    Bobby Lashley
    Daniel Cormier
    *Valentijn Overeem
    Ray Sefo
    Lolohea Mahe
    Hershall Walker
    Wes Shivers

    other fighters who could fight in it:

    Dan Henderson
    Gegard Mousasi
    King Mo
    Rafael Feijao
    Roger Gracie
    *Ovince St Prieux
    *Melvin Manhoef


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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:46 pm

    I really hope this goes ahead with Fedor. It would be a massive tournament, biggest one in a while.

    OSP can compete in that and possibly Manhoef. I hope they can also get a hold on the likes of Ishii and Minowa, the modern day Sakuraba. Minowa vs the Reem would be ridiculous, but I reckon he would take it.

    Best to leave Walker out of it I think, I don't think he would agree to it anyway personally. He's there to test himself against bums or journeymen, and that's perfectly acceptable. Having him fight Fedor or Werdum would just be a joke.

    I wonder how many fighters this tournament will have, because the likes of Lashley and Griggs are really just there to make up the numbers.
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    Post  Toquinho Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:40 pm

    if you could get a field of 16, and they have a roster capable of using 16 good heavies, that would be a fantastic tournament. It might be a jump up in competition for fighters like Shane Del Rosario and Daniel Cormier. But i think they could be competitive with anyone, and it would be great recognition for anyone in the tournament, much like fighters who competed in the Pride tournies
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    Post  redmeanie77 Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:53 pm

    Dont get your hopes up lads, these guys are struggling to put together 1 big fight at HW, lets alone organise 15 fights for a 16 man tournament.


    Remember the MW tourney they wanted to do?
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    Post  Toquinho Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:06 pm

    Brown Pride wrote:Dont get your hopes up lads, these guys are struggling to put together 1 big fight at HW, lets alone organise 15 fights for a 16 man tournament.


    Remember the MW tourney they wanted to do?

    thats true. I remember there was a list of fighters that were potentially going take part, it was hugely exciting, but then they just decided to make Jacare vs Tim Kennedy for the title. With Fedor being needed in the tournament, its unlikely it will happen due to the problems negotiating with m1
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:48 pm

    yeah i posted all the fighters, pretty much, but 16 man tourney in strikeforce is crazy talk.

    its more likely to be an 8 man tournament.
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    Post  Toquinho Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:53 pm

    what can i say, the k1 tournaments have caused my expectations to be way too high Smile
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:03 am

    TOTAL ELIMINATION Cool:
    Fedor/Silva
    Overeem/Arlovski
    Werdum/Kharitonov
    Barnett/Rogers


    more on SF plans for 2011:



    Brazilian magazine TATAME is reporting that Strikeforce has plans to host an 8-man Heavyweight GP in 2011.

    The report states that Fedor Emelianenko will face Antonio Silva in a yet-to-be-announced Strikeforce February event as part of the semi-quarters, along with Fabricio Werdum, coming off his historic victory over Fedor, versus Sergei Kharitonov in a March event. The other two possible fights for the tournament could involve current Strikeforce HW Champion Alistair Overeem against former UFC champion Andrei Arlovski, and recent Strikeforce acquisition Josh Barnett could face Strikeforce HW prospect Brett Rogers to round out the tournament.

    The tournament could be broken into three events, where the semis and/or finals are potential candidates to spearhead the first Strikeforce pay-per-view event since signing a deal with Showtime/CBS after purchasing the Pro Elite assets back in 2009. MMAPayout has also learned although all the details are not confirmed as of this time, it is Strikeforce’s intent to run the HW GP and have contacted several HW’s in their roster to prepare in case injuries or other rumored participants cannot compete.


    Payout Perspective:

    Though there are quite a few that have scoffed at the idea of Strikeforce hosting a HW GP next year, quickly pointing out how the planned Middleweight GP never materialized, it is important to note that there were many reasons that the MW GP did not occur, most importantly was the idea of making it a one-night event, which the commissions would not allow.

    Strikeforce appears to have moved on from that notion, and in fact has matched-up their MW division this past few months based on what they were originally planning for the MW GP. Current Strikeforce MW Champion “Jacare” Souza defeated Tim Kennedy, who quickly dispatched MMA veteran Trevor Prangly in the Los Angeles event, to become the MW Champion back in August. Previous to the Kennedy title bout, Jacare impressively defeated MMA veteran Joey Villasenor earlier in the year, after submitting Matt Lindland the previous year. Robbie Lawler, who is coming off of impressive victories against Melvin Manhoef and Matt Lindland, is now scheduled to face Jacare for the Strikeforce MW title in the upcoming January 29, 2011 event, set to take place in San Jose.

    It is also expected that the budding company has plans to air a 30 minute weekly syndicate Strikeforce show sometime next year, which would provide much needed brand and fighter exposure outside of the Showtime network. The show would be utilized to promote upcoming fights and also show fights from recent shows. Although a reality TV show was mentioned by Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker earlier this year, MMAPayout has learned that talks are still in the early stages between the parties involved, and it is not yet known when a potential deal could materialize.

    Other big rumors involve Strikeforce taking their promotion outside of the USA for the first time as an MMA promotion. Scott Coker expressed his intent, in a recent interview on “The MMA Show!”, to bring Strikeforce into Canada next year. There are also rumors of Strikeforce possibly holding an event in the United Kingdom, which would be centered around a possible Paul Daley Welterweight title fight late next year.



    extra info:
    Voronov: What i can say finally Fedor will be fight and its happened very soon.He is in a great shape and ready to fight.Next week we will find out Fedor's Schedule for Strikeforce.Will see what happened,at this moment we have Negotiation with Strikeforce.I hope we signed new contract withe Strikeforce grand prix.8 heavy weights fighters included Fedor will be fighting for Strikeforce heavy weight Belt.


    Golden Glory have confirmed that if there is a HW tournament Sergei and Alistair would participate.


    by the way if you are about to say "they said the same thing about the MW tournament and it never happened"...

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    Post  rudeboyben84 Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:13 pm

    Haha that was a stretch to call that the Mw tournament, Kevin Casey.....

    This is the way Im hearing there looking to match the fighters up.

    Silva/Fedor
    Barnett/Rogers
    Overeem/Arlovski
    Sergei/Werdum

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    Post  poz Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:07 pm

    rudeboyben84 wrote:Haha that was a stretch to call that the Mw tournament, Kevin Casey.....

    This is the way Im hearing there looking to match the fighters up.

    Silva/Fedor
    Barnett/Rogers
    Overeem/Arlovski
    Sergei/Werdum


    That looks a tasty line up!
    Would Overeem's belt be up for grabs, or do they keep that sort of thing seperate?
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    Post  redmeanie77 Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:31 pm

    That lineup wont happen, Barnett still doesnt have a license, Overeem has ruled himself out of fighting in SF until May, and you know he is going to focus on K-1 in latter part of next year to defend his GP win. Werdum is travelling across the world giving BJJ classes and wants a tune up fight in Japan and Abudhabi next year. Fedor and M-1 will want to renogotiate for months after each fight. And Sergei will focus on K-1 next year.


    SF should aim a little lower and try to put on single big fights. Like focus on putting on Fedor-Overeem in May.
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    Post  poz Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:36 pm

    Brown Pride wrote:That lineup wont happen, Barnett still doesnt have a license, Overeem has ruled himself out of fighting in SF until May, and you know he is going to focus on K-1 in latter part of next year to defend his GP win. Werdum is travelling across the world giving BJJ classes and wants a tune up fight in Japan and Abudhabi next year. Fedor and M-1 will want to renogotiate for months after each fight. And Sergei will focus on K-1 next year.


    SF should aim a little lower and try to put on single big fights. Like focus on putting on Fedor-Overeem in May.

    Damn you Meanie and your infallible logic!!! Laughing
    It would have been good though....
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    Post  payneNglory1 Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:06 pm













    I'm very doubtful they could pull this off,but it would be fantastic if they did,maybe they would be better of just getting there shit together,and just got their top HW's to fight each other in headline fights and let the lower ranked guys,that they have more control over do the tournament thing on the main cards,it would cost them a fraction of the price and I believe it would be alot easier to set up,plus if a guy had to drop out through injury or whatever,they would have alot easier time finding a replacement,compared to,if it's the big boys and one of them dropped out,they can't be replaced and the tournament loses it's value and the tournament can go tits up quickly,like the super 6 in boxing.That went abit tits up even though they had the luxery of replacing fighters with other good fighters,Strikeforce won't because all there best guys would already be in it.

    An eight man tourney with guys like this would still be good and help them bring some much needed attention to some of there up and coming HW's,you could probably even add Rogers or Arlovski aswell,to add abit more star power to the line up.

    Shane Del Rosario
    Lavar Johnson
    Chad Griggs
    Bobby Lashley
    Daniel Cormier
    Valentijn Overeem
    Lolohea Mahe
    Wes Shivers

    That's a stronger line up than Bellator had for there HW tourney and things seemed to work out just fine for them.
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    Post  the_king Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:41 pm

    ill believe SF talk when they actually announce it and start putting posters up iv kind of give up any Hw action from them.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:42 pm

    rudeboyben84 wrote:Haha that was a stretch to call that the Mw tournament, Kevin Casey.....



    Casey is one of the top 8 MWs signed to SF to be fair. They lack debt at MW.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:46 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    rudeboyben84 wrote:Haha that was a stretch to call that the Mw tournament, Kevin Casey.....



    Casey is one of the top 8 MWs signed to SF to be fair. They lack debt at MW.


    I'm not surprised with the wages they pay to Hendo, amongst others.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:50 pm

    The_Axe_Emperor wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    rudeboyben84 wrote:Haha that was a stretch to call that the Mw tournament, Kevin Casey.....



    Casey is one of the top 8 MWs signed to SF to be fair. They lack debt at MW.


    I'm not surprised with the wages they pay to Hendo, amongst others.

    if your gonna nitpick, surely you would be surprised if they had no debt at MW...given the wages they pay to Hendo, amongst others Basketball
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:53 pm

    Shit Mad
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:55 pm

    Haha! Delighted for ya cunty! haha! Very Happy
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    Post  payneNglory1 Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:08 pm















    Fedor Emelianenko will return to the Strikeforce cage on Feb. 12, as he takes on Antonio Silva in a heavyweight main event from the Izod Center in East Rutherford, N.J.

    Sources close to the negotiations informed Sherdog.com Sunday evening of the event’s date and location.

    A match between former UFC heavyweight champions Andrei Arlovski and Josh Barnett is also said to be in the works for the February date. It remains to be seen how the New Jersey Athletic Control Board handles the licensing situation Barnett -- who allegedly tested positive for a performance enhancing substance prior to a scheduled bout with Emelianenko in the summer of 2009 -- is dealing with in California. His hearing before the California commission was pushed back at their Dec. 2 meeting.

    As speculated, Strikeforce will indeed hold an eight-man heavyweight tournament in 2011, and Emelianenko-Silva and Arlovski-Barnett are set to serve as quarterfinal bouts. Though the remaining combatants could not be confirmed, a third quarterfinal matchup between Fabricio Werdum and Brett Rogers is expected to take place in Columbus, Ohio, on a planned March 5 event.

    A fourth and final tournament bout is also set to take place on the March card. Semi-final and final bouts would then be held later in the year at to-be-announced events.

    The promotion will also hold two alternate bouts in case injury sidelines competitors in the main draw. Potential contestants could include “Challengers” series standouts Lavar Johnson, Daniel Cormier and Shane del Rosario.

    Regarded by many as the greatest heavyweight in the history of the sport, Emelianenko was shocked by Werdum, a heavy underdog, in June, losing for the first time in a decade. Though the sambo specialist floored the Brazilian early in the first period, his follow-up was a bit too aggressive. As Emelianenko attempted to finish the fight with his trademark ground-and-pound, the savvy jiu-jitsu black belt avoided the blows and caught the Russian in a textbook triangle choke. Emelianenko holds notable victories over Mirko Filopovic, Arlovski and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (twice).

    Silva is fresh off a come-from-behind win over King of the Cage light heavyweight champion Mike Kyle on Dec. 4 in St. Louis. Taking the fight on just five days' notice, Kyle shocked spectators by landing a crisp right hand to the jaw of the heavily-favored Brazilian, knocking him to the mat. Though the American Kickboxing Academy product pounced with heavy punches and hammer fists, the mammoth Silva would not give up. Round two was all “Bigfoot,” as the former EliteXC champion lived up to his moniker by dropping brutish blows on Kyle's skull and forcing a referee stoppage.

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Emelianenko-Silva-HW-Tourney-Slated-for-Feb-12-29152
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    Post  Moose Stuff For Money... Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:29 pm

    Overeem v Werdum & Barnett v Rogers...

    Strikeforce today is expected to announce the quarterfinals of a planned eight-man tournament, and its remaining matchups have filled out.

    In addition to previously announced matchups of Fedor Emelianenko vs. Antonio Silva and Andrei Arlovski vs. Sergei Kharitonov, a third bracket featuring Strikeforce champ Alistair Overeem (34-11 MMA, 3-0 SF) vs. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1 MMA, 3-0 SF) is on tap, and a fourth targets Josh Barnett (26-5 MMA, 0-0 SF) vs. Brett Rogers (11-2 MMA, 2-2 SF). It is unknown whether the quarterfinal will put Overeem's belt on the line.

    The new matchups are expected to take place in March, though a date and venue have not yet been set, sources said.

    Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that the remaining matchups are "not confirmed," though he said Monday that an announcement is forthcoming on the tournament.

    The Strikeforce Heavyweight World Grand Prix is planned as a three-stage, single elimination tournament slated to begin Feb. 12 at the IZOD Center in East Rutherford, N.J. The event features the first and second bracket of the tournament with Emelianenko vs. Silva and Arlovski vs. Kharitonov.

    The tournament marks the return of Emelianenko, who sat on the shelf for the second half of 2010 as Strikeforce, Showtime and M-1 Global re-negotiated a three-fight contract he originally signed in August 2009. Meanwhile, Overeem returns to action after knocking out Todd Duffee to win the DREAM interim heavyweight title at Dynamite!! 2010.

    Barnett is expected to go before the California State Athletic Commission next month to address concerns stemming from a denial of license he received in July 2009 in the wake of a positive test for performance enhancers. He signed a new contract with Strikeforce this past March.
    http://mmajunkie.com/news/21972/strikeforce-tourney-takes-shape-with-overeem-vs-werdum-barnett-vs-rogers.mma
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    Post  Moose Stuff For Money... Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:31 pm

    I hope this goes ahead, however I've got a sneaky feeling that something is going to scupper Strikeforce's plans.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:18 pm

    what would have been better is to have some seedings.
    lets say for example Overeem, Werdum, Fedor, Barnett were the seeded fighters.

    then

    Bigfoot Silva vs Chad Griggs
    Daniel Cormier vs Timmeh
    Shane Del Rosario vs Lavar Johnson
    Sergei Kharitonov vs Guram Gugenishvili (M-1 Global)

    ..or whatever


    it gives an opportunity for the up and comers to have a shot in the tournament, and the guys who have fallen short, another shot.
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    Post  payneNglory1 Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:28 am













    Ray Sefo vs. Valentijn Overeem targeted for supporting cast of Strikeforce tourney

    well it's something,but I would of thought that Strikeforce would of used this event to promote and have two of there younger HW talents fight for the chance to be a replacement.

    but hey ho what do I know compared to the genius that is coker Rolling Eyes
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:33 am

    lol. decent alternate fight. i think it isnt a bad idea to have one full of big names, if this works, they can do another one with other guys.

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