Happy Brocktober to all Armbar members!

erm red...

i didn't say he didn't.


anyways IIRC it was the same sort of thing where he couldnt hold him down for more than a second...and he was hurt when the takedown happened...and its not like Kongo has bad takedowns...if you saw his last fight.

erm Chesty

Im pretty sure Cheick fucking Kongo took down Cain.


Actually he fucking slammed him!! Start of the 3rd round!

erm Red...

Kongo has a background in greco roman and he is a big strong bloke. He picked him up and dropped him, no shame in that. Its always been Kongo's takedown DEFENSE that has been the problem, his take downs are decent.

If you want to put it like that, you could say Kongo took Herring down every time he tried and Lesnar missed a takedown against Herring.



I can't remember who first posted this video but its quite well done. Forget the Fedor stuff, it shows Lesnar's overated take down ability and shows him taking some big shots from Randy. If Cain hits him with those shots he will feel it.

redmeanie77 wrote:Payne, Cain beat Cole in Konrad's sophomore year, Konrad had since beaten Cain in his senior year where Cain finished 4th in that tourney.

oh Ok,as I said I'm no expert,I was just saying what I had read elsewhere.

Shouldn't take what others write as gospil,should do my own research

erm....

Ive always thought that its Kongo's grapling that its biggest weakness, not his actual wrestling. Anyway you cant really compare Kongo's greco roman to Randy anyway....


Both Cain and Brock have strong takedowns, both will be weary of each others wrestling, and both do not want to get taken down, paticularly Cain.


So in the build up to this fight, i dont think anyone can say that one cant take the other down, or one can take the other down at will....


Yeah Chesty and Chelsea, but Buentello and Herring arent exactly on Brock's level of td defense.

Good Cain highlight video

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/7/16/cain-velasquez-highlight-1884820

Actually ive just rewatched Kongo-Cain and Brock-Randy in the last hour or so. And i think Brock gameplan will be to use the cage to control Cain and work for the takedown.

Brock was able to control the great Randy against the cage at times during the fight, as he did Carwin in the last minute of 1st round, and Kongo was able to hold Cain against the cage a good few (but short) times in their match and even worked a takedown.


I think that will be his strategy that Poulsen was talking about in the vid i posted. Get ready for Mir-Crocop 2


Both guys could cancel each other out in the 1st few rounds, but seeing as this is a 5 round fight, someone is getting knocked out or submitted early, or someone is going to gas and fall apart late in the fight.

Safe to say the Brocktober is going to be a hit, look at how many comment already this thread has picked up in less than 24 hrs.

I don't think his grappling is all that bad (I mean its not good either), he has only been subbed once and that's after he was rocked senseless.

But on the other hand I can think of 3 separate times when his take down defense has bit him in the ass.

Marrero, Herring and Velasquez. Only the last one is really forgivable.


I wasn't comparing Kongo's greco-roman to Randy but Kongo is much bigger and stronger than Randy so its not a surprise he did that to Cain.

True but Herring did block Lesnar's take down

surely brock is a lot stronger than cain due to size and if he has a braincell in that massive 33lb head he will just hold onto cain for 5 rounds.

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

manschesthair_utd wrote:erm guys....


i'm pretty sure Randy did take Brock down, even though it was for like 2 seconds he was on his bum..he still got him down.

Really? I don't remember that.


Just watched it again, and Couture got taken down and mounted, then squirmed out, got Brocks legs and dragged him down, Brock was on the bottom for literally les than a second

So you claim not to remember it and then confirm that Randy got a takedown?

payneNglory1 wrote:I'm no expert either but I do know that Lesner and conrad were better wrestlers than Cain and had far more success.
I think Brock is in the national wrestling hall of fame.

Cain did beat Conrad once but Cain is two years older and it happened in Conrads freshman year.


yeah he is in the hall of fame

http://www.wrestlinghalloffame.org/wrestlers.php?wrestler=2477

so is cole

http://www.wrestlinghalloffame.org/wrestlers.php?wrestler=11832

NCAA Champions are automatically entered into the Hall of Fame.

Anfields5thKing wrote:

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:

manschesthair_utd wrote:erm guys....


i'm pretty sure Randy did take Brock down, even though it was for like 2 seconds he was on his bum..he still got him down.

Really? I don't remember that.


Just watched it again, and Couture got taken down and mounted, then squirmed out, got Brocks legs and dragged him down, Brock was on the bottom for literally les than a second

So you claim not to remember it and then confirm that Randy got a takedown?

Err, no, i didn't remember, then took the time out to watch it again, and saw that Brcok was on his ass for less than a second........... Fantastic "takedown".

Was a great takedown. the fact that he didn't have full control doesn't take away from the takedown.

the more i see build up and talk of this fight the more i look forword to it.

Brock clearly has a selective memory, refers to himself as the Toughest SOB and the Meanest SOB. Does he forget he turned and ran away from Carwin and then threw himself on the ground and stopped fighting??

Digging the facial hair

Anfields5thKing wrote:Brock clearly has a selective memory, refers to himself as the Toughest SOB and the Meanest SOB. Does he forget he turned and ran away from Carwin and then threw himself on the ground and stopped fighting??

Maybe he did it on purpose to show the world he could take a beating, get back up then nigh on put shane Carwin to sleep?

Spike are going all out to make sure this is a great and happy Brocktober.

(SPIKE TV BROCKTOBER Schedule)

UFC PRIMETIME: LESNAR VS. VELASQUEZ
Premiere Episode #1 - Wednesday, October 6 at 11:00pm
Premiere Episode #2 - Wednesday, October 13 at 11:00pm
Premiere Episode #3 – Wednesday, October 20 at 9:30pm

UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin (re-air)
Wednesday, October 20 (7:00pm-9:30pm)

UFC UNLEASHED
Lesnar vs. Herring – Wednesday, October 6 (7:00-8:00pm) and Saturday, October 23 (6:00pm-7:00pm)
Lesnar vs. Couture – Wednesday, October 6 (8:00-9:00pm) and Saturday, October 23 (7:00-8:00pm)
Lesnar vs. Mir 2 – Wednesday, October 6 (9:00-10:00pm) and Saturday, October 23 (8:00-9:00pm)
Lesnar vs. Mir 1 - Saturday, October 23 (3:00-4:00pm)

UFC 121 COUNTDOWN
Monday, October 18 at 11:30pm
Wednesday, October 20 at 1:30am
Thursday, October 21 at 12:30am
Saturday, October 23 at 1:00pm

UFC All Access: Brock Lesnar (re-air)
Thursday, October 7 at 1:00am
Saturday, October 9 at 2:00pm

Christ that's a lot of Brock!

If i was one of the UFC's top fighters I would be extremely pissed off at how much exposure Lesnar is getting, he's just been handed everything on a plate.

with a record of only 5-1 and a short time in mma he is getting a free pass to over exposier.

Can you really blame them (UFC)? It makes clear sense business sense to hype your most popular fighter.