Can UFC do a 1 night tournament?

I'd argue that if any of them deserved it more than those who actually received the shots, it's extremely marginal.

I disagree with Rampage deserving a shot over Rashad, Rampage was only one fight removed from his loss against Forrest, he had a win over Wanderlei but Wand was 1-4 over the past two years of his career including the loss to Rampage.

Rampage's shot vs Shoguns - wins over Jardine and Wanderlei vs wins over Coleman and Chuck, yeah, Rampage probably deserved it a little more but it's not that horrible an injustice. Had he not gone off to do A-team he might have got it.

Okami didn't have a huge claim to a title shot. I agree he should have got one, but his past two fights prior to that were Dean Lister and Evan Tanner. Okami would have got a shot on the back of beating Lister - was that a title eliminator?

Koscheck had wins over Trigg and Johnson - I don't really see that as overwhelmingly more impressive than Hardy's wins. I'd have rather Fitch got another shot than either of them personally, but again, the difference between Hardy and Koscheck is pretty marginal imo.

Edgar had wins over Griffin, Miller, Bocek and Fisher, and only one loss to Maynard, who is now a deserved challenger himself. Sanchez had Stephenson and a split over Guida. again, it's marginal.

The UFC isn't boxing and you're never going to see fighters just built up with perfect records to fight for the title, it just isn't going to happen. You generally get fighters getting title shots off atleast 2-3 quality wins, which with the varied nature of MMA, is about as good as you can expect right now, and that's realistically what tournaments would result in anyway. If anyone really really obviously deserves a shot, they get it.

There's a difference, Rampage VS Griffin was a controversial decision and many people thought Rampage won the fight and should have gotten an immediate rematch. Shogun got his ass handed to him and then got tapped out. Rampage was far more deserving than Shogun. And because of the amount of people who felt Rampage beat Griffin, Rampage should have gotten an immediate re-match and was more deserving than Rashad who only got his shot because Dana was stupid, thought Liddell would beat Evans and was going to give Liddell and undeserved title shot.

The A-Team had nothing to do with title shots. Okami was getting his shot based on holding a win over Silva. Did Leites or Cote have wins over him? Tanner was a former champ as well, how many former champs did Leites or Cote beat?

HUGE gap between Kos and Hardy. Kos has wins over top 5 opponents such as Sanchez to fall back on.

Sanchez was a top ranked WW, wins over Diaz, Riggs, Karo, Florian, and then 4 great performances off the back of being beaten by Kos and dryhumped by Fitch. Sanchez was more deserving than Edgar.


Tournaments are separate to titles anyway, not sure why you want to connect them.

So, because some people thought Rampage beat Griffin, Rampage deserved an immediate rematch. Earlier you said Shogun didn't deserve a re-match against Machida inspite of the majority of people feeling Shogun won their first fight. Rampage was going to get first shot against Rashad, then he got injured, then he did the A-team. He wouldn't have been ready in time for the time Machida defended against Shogun.

Okami getting a shot off his "win" against Silva is extremely questionable. Okami doesn't even consider that a win.

Shouldn't things like getting KO'd by Paulo Thiago a year prior to when you propose he receive his shot knock Koscheck down the ladder a bit?

Anfields5thKing wrote:The last 4 people to challenge for the each UFC title, not counting interim belts.

HW title
Shane Carwin
Frank Mir
Brock Lesnar - undeserved
Randy Couture - undeserved

LHW Title:
Shogun - Undeserved rematch. He lost the first fight and should have been made earn a second shot. Didn't really deserve the first fight either. Struggled against Coleman and knocked out Chuck the chin who gets KO'd by everyone these days.
Machida
Evans - undeserved. Given a shot because Liddell was being promised an undeserved shot in he beat Evans but Chuck the chin was shown up.
Griffin - undeserved, beat the worst Shogun ever and was only Hector Ramirez removed from being destroyed by Jardine

MW Title:

Sonnen
Maia - undeserved but got the fight due to injury in fairness.
Leites - undeserved, feeding Anderson an easy fight to attempt to draw for a highlight KO.
Cote - undeserved, feeding Anderson an easy fight to attempt to draw for a highlight KO.

and Belfort was also handed an undeserved title shot

WW Title

Hardy - Undeserved, more poor attempts at drawing the European market
Alves
Penn - Undeserved at WW but understandable
Fitch

LW Title

Penn
Edgar - Undeserved, but Maynard did turn the shot down in fairness.
Sanchez
Florian


The UFC needs to implement a PROPER ranking system, not random fights to decide number 1 contenders. JDS vs Nelson for number 1 contender?? Please!

To me it matters just as much how they do during and after the title shot as well as before hand. So if they put a good account of them against the current champ then as far as i'm concerned they deserved the shot.




Carwin - Put a beatdown on Brock and came within a whisker of finishing him. Proved he deserved it.


Lesnar - Unbeaten since becoming champ, with three second round finishes in a row including two KO's and a submission. Proved he deserved it.


Mir - Deserved the shot at the time but failed to back it up with a good performance, but then again he was fighting Lesnar...


Couture - Put two beat downs on two very highly ranked younger fighters before losing to Lesnar. Proved he deserved it.




Shogun - Took Machida to the wire and hit him more times than anyone in the first match, then obliterated him in the second. Proved he deserved it.


Machida - Totally outclassed Rashad Evans before beating Shogun, then losing to him. Proved he deserved it.


Evans - Scraped past Forrest after losing the first two rounds, then got KO'd by the best Machida ever. Didn't prove he earned the initial title shot but his resume speaks for itself so i dont know how you can say he it was undeserved. Deserved.


Griffin - Put on the performance of his life as he beat Rampage in his title fight, then picked apart Evans until getting caught in the third. Proved he deserved it.




Sonnen - Beat the shit out of Anderson Silva for 24 minutes. Proved he deserved it.


Maia - Got the shot because of an injury but even then he didnt embarrass himself in the fight with Silva. Proved he was a worthy replacement. Deserved.


Leites - As you say, a good five fight win-streak but with no decent fighters amongst his wins. Toyed with in the title fight. Didn't deserve it at all.


Cote - Pretty much the same story as Leites. Pity about the injury but he was always going to lose. Didn't deserve it.




Hardy - Again, i agree with you to an extent, at the time Koscheck was probably more deserving but i think the UFC were hesitant about making a rematch and also Dana couldn't resist the opportunity to have a Brit on a seven fight win-streak in the UFC's welterweigh division. Got repeatedly taken down but did nothing to hurt him in the title fight. Didn't deserve it.


Alves - Beatdown by GSP but then again who isnt these days? Didn't prove he deserved it in the fight but beforehand he kicked enough ass to warrant a shot, by far. Deserved.


Penn - Dana clearly had dollar signs wear his pupils should be once again. Didn't deserve it.


Fitch - Deserved it but GSP wiped the floor with him.




Penn - Greatest 155lb'er ever, deserved it simply for that.


Edgar - Beat the best LW ever, convincingly, twice. Proved he deserved the shot.


Sanchez - Got chewed up and spat out by an in-form BJ Penn, however he had two good wins at LW before hand and a series of wins at WW to warrant a shot. Deserved.


Florian - Got chewed up and spat out by an in-form BJ Penn, but did have 6 good wins before the shot, so he definitely deserved it.




So in my opinion, 16 out of the 20 challengers deserved their title shot, whereas you reckoned only 9 of those shots where warranted.



(Man after all that typing 'deserved' doesnt even seem like a word now!)

sunthunder wrote:So, because some people thought Rampage beat Griffin, Rampage deserved an immediate rematch. Earlier you said Shogun didn't deserve a re-match against Machida inspite of the majority of people feeling Shogun won their first fight. Rampage was going to get first shot against Rashad, then he got injured, then he did the A-team. He wouldn't have been ready in time for the time Machida defended against Shogun.

Okami getting a shot off his "win" against Silva is extremely questionable. Okami doesn't even consider that a win.

Shouldn't things like getting KO'd by Paulo Thiago a year prior to when you propose he receive his shot knock Koscheck down the ladder a bit?

Rampage was CHAMPION. He was entitled to a rematch. Shogun was a CHALLENGER. There is no comparison at all. Rampage should have had the shot BEFORE Rashad. And you've missed something rather major on the timeline. TUF. Rampage should have been given his shot rather than being made do TUF. And while he was doing TUF, he should have been training for Machida. So as i said, the A-Team had no bearing. He didn't agree to do the A-Team until AFTER Shogun had been given the shot against Machida.

Doesn't matter what Okami considers a win. Dana waffled about Okami holding a win and the ZuffaDog retards that seem to make up 50% of the online community were all doing the same thing.

Not when Koscheck took the fight on short notice as a favour to the UFC. That he lost shouldn't have dropped him a spot.

Axe, i get your point, but proving you deserve something AFTER you've been given it does not mean you deserve it when it was given to you.