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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:25 pm

    A Pretty decent night of fights, with Creduer-Quarry stealing the show. Below are the full results

    Preliminary card
    Middleweight bout: Ryan Jensen vs. Steve Steinbeiss
    Jensen defeated Steinbeiss via technical submission (guillotine choke) at 3:56 of round 1.

    Welterweight bout: Brock Larson vs. Mike Pierce
    Pierce defeated Larson via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27).

    Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs. Justin Buchholz
    Stephens defeated Buchholz via TKO (cut) at 3:23 of round 1.

    Middleweight bout: C.B. Dollaway vs. Jay Silva
    Dolloway defeated Silva via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28).

    Welterweight bout: Chris Wilson vs. Mike Pyle
    Pyle defeated Wilson via submission (guillotine choke) at 2:15 of round 3.

    Light Heavyweight bout: Steve Cantwell vs. Brian Stann
    Stann defeated Cantwell via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28).

    Not much to say here, Dollaway back on track with a hard fought win. Im suprised Cantwell and especially Larson were beaten so comprehensivley. There was a lot of hype surronding Larson and he was easily beaten here.

    Main card

    Middleweight bout: Nate Quarry vs. Tim Credeur
    Quarry defeated Credeur via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-27, 29-28).

    Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Jake Ellenberger
    Condit defeated Ellenberger via split decision (29-28, 28-29, 29-28).

    Lightweight bout: Gray Maynard vs. Roger Huerta
    Maynard defeated Huerta via split decision (28-29, 30-27, 30-27).

    Lightweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Melvin Guillard
    Diaz defeated Guillard via submission (guillotine choke) at 2:30 of round 2.

    Quarry vs Creduer was excellent, good win for Quarry as well. Condit just edged a very close fight, he really needs to improve if he ever wants to become a big star, I was pretty dissapointed in his performance. Maynard got the win he needed, and did so well. Some of the judging is awful though, there is no way Huerta won that fight. IMO it should have been 29-28 Maynard. Also I was suprised Huerta didn''t tap in that fight, he does have some guts.

    The Main event was quite fun as well, Diaz gets back on track. Guillard was doing well but his poor sub defence costs him once again. He had Diaz rocked but couldn't finish, it was an ok performance from Guillard but he really needs a cooler head. Good BJJ from Diaz once again and for the time being he stays legit.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:23 pm

    i started a thread about this but ill delete that and copy and post what i wrote there, here.

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    Main event

    Nate Diaz submitts Melvin Guillard with a guillotine choke in round 2.

    Entertaining fight, Guillard looked good in the stand up, but it was a stupid decision to take Diaz down when he did. Very good choke from Nate.

    Gray Maynard defeats Roger Huerta with a split decision.

    I was impressed with both fighters in this fight, Maynard for the way his striking has improved, and he isnt so one dimensional as in his other fights. Huerta for his willpower. It was his last UFC fight but he gave it 100% and held on when he had a sickening Kimura put on him, seriously if you haven't seen it, watch it! it was the most rotation on a shoulderlock i have ever seen without the guy tapping (or with the guy tapping even) possibly even more than this;
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    (hes pushing his hand toward his head here btw)

    Roger did well avoiding the td at first but the bully was relentless.

    Carlos Condit split decision victory over Jake Ellenberger

    Ellenberger has huge power. He hurt Condit badly on multiple occasions in the first round, Condit dominated in the third, the second round was close but i had Condit winning it as did 2 of the judges.


    Nate Quarry decision over Tim Creudeau

    Fight of the night, an absolute brawl both men nearly knocked out, twice Tim was wailing on Nate and Nate comes out with a huge shot that puts him down. One of my favourite fihts of this year, easily top 5.

    great night of fights even though there was only 1 finish, fights that go the distance are often the best fights, or fights that finish very late, but they are rare. Smile
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:54 pm

    Oh sorry bout that mate, thanks for the response. Ye that Kimura was sick, can't beleive he didn't tap. A kimura isn't always the most skillful move but its very effective and the Bully could have brocken his arm, he got lucky there. Remember Cantwell-Al Ruzak at FN for the troops?

    Condit won but he didn't look too impresive, jake has a good record but loses to most decent fighters. He was beaten by Rick Story who was beaten by Hathaway. If Condit is a top 10 WW then he needs to win these kind of fights 30-27 or finish them. His takedown defence still leaves a lot to be desired, which is a suprise for me considering he trains at Arizona combat sports. With guys like Bader, Varner, Dollaway, Forbes, haris and Riggs. He really should have better wrestling training with all those guys, he needs to start taking tips from guys like Bader about how to stop takedowns.

    Guillard has talent but has a very poor fighting brain. I have no idea why he went for a takedown there, his strength is his boxing. He has excellent standup and awful BJJ so you don't need Greg Jackson to tell you that you keep the fight standing up. Congrats to Diaz for taking the oppurtunity well.
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    Post  Paolo_73 Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:28 pm

    As you know I'm a Heurta fan and I was sorry to see him lose, but I totally agree that there's no way he won the decision, I don't know what Chris Lee had been smoking with Diaz backstage but he was way off...
    When he didn't tap from the kimura it just proved that even though he is turning his back on the sport, nobody can accuse him of not being a fighter through and through.....

    As for Guillard - when will this guy just go and retrain as a boxer, instead of trying to be a banger in this sport in a weight class full of ground specialists. It seems like every single one of his losses has been via choke?
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    Post  sunthunder Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:43 pm

    On the whole, it was a good event.

    Honestly though, I think Quarry vs Credeur is getting talked up a bit too much. That fight was sloppy as hell and a decent part of the second and third rounds was essentially gassed windmilling. It was exciting, but it's the kind of fight that I think makes some people in the boxing community look down on MMA for.

    I thought Ellenberger was unlucky. I had that fight scored 28-28 on the basis that the first round was 10-8 for Ellenberger, with rounds two and three 10-9 for Condit. I wish judges would be more prepared to score draws in MMA.

    I liked Maynard vs Huerta. I think it illustrates again what a good standard has been set by lightweight wrestlers in MMA. I think guys like Maynard, Edgar, Sherk, Griffin, Huerta, Guida, Melendez, Thompson, Kawajiri, Hirota and Alvarez could all beat eachother on any given day.

    It's so frustrating that Guillard doesn't know how to box. With his raw power and sheer speed, he should be a way more devastating fighter than he is. Once Diaz got his timing down, Melvins' predictable, wild haymakers just enabled Diaz to clinch and get takedowns. His head movement was great, but that's more due to him just being inherently faster than Diaz, who is hardly a speedy lightweight in the first place. Guillard needs to learn to control distance, move in and out better and throw technically better, more compact punches.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:12 pm

    Thing is Griffin-Bonner was a slugfest as well. It wasn't an excellent technichal showing but it was fun to watch, a lot of good shots in there.

    I could see a draw in the Ellberger-Condit fight but he was domnant enough for a 10-8 round because Condit got some offence in. for a 10-8 you have to either blitz your opinion completely like Sanchez did to Guida or not let them get any offene like Jon Madeson did on TUF. Jake did get some real good shots in he, doe have some power but Condit has a very good chin.

    As for Guillard, his problem isn't boxing or its not his biggest problem anyway. He needs to go learn some BJJ, he should go train with the Nogeria brothers or the Gracies or something, its quite embarassing how bad he is. His boxing could do some with refining but he has a lot of power behind those punches. He just needs a cooler head and better BJJ defence if he wants to get serious about this sport. With something like over 50 fights now is the time.
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    Post  Paddyjock Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:34 pm

    Just watched the 1st 2 fights and if the "poor card" of UFC 105 has fights like that then it will be money well spent. Those 4 guys are not big names but man they were 2 great fights for the spectator. Maybe not for the purist but if I get fights like that at UFC 105 no one will be able to tell me it was a poor show!!
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    Post  Moose Stuff For Money... Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:19 pm

    Just watched the main card last night on ESPN. I was trying to avoid the results but my brother phoned me about half an hour before the show started to talk about the Maynard v Huerta fight Evil or Very Mad. Nonetheless, as tends to be the case with Fight Night cards, I enjoyed all four fights.

    Although Quarry vs Credeur wasn't the greatest fight technically it was still very entertaining. Credeur looked like the more accurate striker but Quarry's power gave him the edge in the end.

    Condit still has a lot of work to do if he's to be considered a top welterweight. I would have been tempted to score the first round 10-8 for Ellenberger as well, resulting in a draw.

    Good to see Maynard not dry hump his way to victory. He landed some nice counter punch right hands on Huerta, although didn't look like he could follow them up, and locked in that nasty looking kimura. Kudos to Huerta for not tapping.

    Guillard has some good striking but I thought he gassed fairly quickly. He just seemed to stumble into Diaz's guillotine.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:06 pm

    What an event! Was Quarry wearing a knuckle duster in his right glove!!!?? That was a great fight, Glad to see Quarry get the win. Diaz vs Guilard was a fight that really could have gone either way, Diazs arm punches really dont look like they have much KO power behind them and Guilard looked to be on his way to a KO before he got caught! Diaz' subs are superb... I really like the Diaz brothers, I know many think they are pricks but I enjoy watching them fight.

    Maynard vs Huerta turned out to be a classic as well, A real gutsy performance from Huerta the 1st round was 50/50 but I think Maynard won the 2nd and the 3rd.. wasnt sure how anyone scored it a Huerta win.

    Great event all in all... Goes to show that the biggest names dont always make for the best fights. The 155lbs devision has 2 new contenders in Maynard and Diaz... if he can be a bit mroe focused. I think Quarry could be matched up with Wanderlei at 185lbs for a real slugfest!
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:08 pm

    Anyone else score the Condit fight a draw?

    10-8
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    is how I scored the rounds. I think a draw would have been fair but as Ive said before MMA judges dont give a draw enough and Although Condit rallied at the end of round 1 I think he got dominated so a 10-8 seemed fair...
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:28 pm

    Ye Quarry has some power in those punches, in the UFC he has only lost to Franklin and Maia. Him vs Wandy would be an awesome slugfest.

    I don't think Nate is actually a prick, he isn't too bad. Nick is for sure but Nate is just a little cocky and there is nothing wrong with that IMO. He doesn't talk that much trash and is quite humble after the fight as well, plus he doesn't screw the UFC by having weed Laughing He is passionate about fighting and already said he wants bigger fights. I think he needs to improve his striking and takedown defense if he wants to be a real contender but his subs are fantastic. Remember he beat Maynard before on TUF 5 and he is widely consiered to be next in line for a shot at the LW title.

    I actually don't think Jake won the first round 10-8. Condit did get some offence in which is key, if this was 10-8 then imagine what the match on TUF 10 would be. 10-7? A perfect example of a 10-8 round is the first round of Sanchez-Guida because he completely blasted him.

    I actually think that the second round was very close and could have gone to Ellenberger, I have to say he was quite unlucky. Condit got lucky in this fight and will have to improve if he wants to become legit in this division.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:35 pm

    Maby not a 10-8 but supprised one of the 3 judges didnt see it that way, Was a close fight and I really liked Jakes style... He really can throw bombs!

    Nate like they say is a slow started, I think he needs to get a little quicker. If that means putting on Muscle and going up a devision then so be it. Nick has so much more handspeed and if your not heavyhanded and your punches are all "armpunches" taht you dont throw your hips into you at least need to be rattling them off at a real speed to overwhelm opponents with 5-6 punch combos becase 1 Nate Diaz punch isnt going to have his opponents seeing stars!
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:03 pm

    I think the judges got it right on the Condit fight, the first round wasnt totally one sided which is what it needs to be 10-8.

    I think NONE of the judges got it right on the Maynard/Huerta fight; the scores were 30-27 Maynard twice and 29-28 Huerta, i think it should have been 29-28 Maynard or a draw.

    Chelsea please be careful when posting about the ultimate fighter before it has been on tv.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:21 pm

    Oryt sorry bout that mate.

    But I agree with the point, it wasn't a complete destruction so a 10-9 round seems fair to me.

    I had Huerta-Maynard 29-28 Maynard, he lost the first round and won the last two. Can't see how it was 30-27 because he clearly lost the first one and I really can't see how Huerta won at all.

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