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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat May 01, 2010 12:54 pm

    not just records only...

    Fighters can be added based on the following things,

    .Titles (Major Title are considered would be UFC, Strikeforce, Pride, Shoto, Pancrase)

    .Undefeated Streaks

    .Wins over top class fighters

    .P4p - Going up and down weight classes is a bonus if your a smaller man who has beat guys in weight classes above him thats a plus point.

    .Contribution to MMA - Older fighers may not have the same "names" on their record but if they revolutionarised a style or helped MMA become the sport it is today they should be given credit.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Sat May 01, 2010 1:05 pm

    Cool, so Chestie what you reckon about my suggestions?
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sat May 01, 2010 1:22 pm

    Funaki is already in mate, He was in good and early and has the record to back it up.
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    Lil' Evil and Pat Miletech just didnt make the grade they were two names battet about, he left them Don Frye and Tito all out, they seemed to be 4 of the most popular guys to not be in the HOF. I was half tempeted to put Pat and Jens in for sure, I think they are poth poineers of the sport but both of their careers never reached the level of other HOF fighers... I dont know maby we should slightly lower the bar and allow them in... after all Ken Shamrock is in and his career hardly ended on a good note? If they go in it does open the floodgates to lesser fighers though.
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    Shogun is too young, his career is still going but Ive no doubt after he whoops Machida again and gets a few defences under his belt he will be in the HOF. cheers
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    Ricco Rodriguez is a bit of a strange suggestion I have to say... his record really doesnt stack up, I think he has lost more often than not when fighting against other top heavys

    Wins: Arlovski, Buentello, Monson, Broughton, Couture
    Losses: Sylvia, Monson, Nog, Rizzo, Rothwell, Bigfoot

    And he has a few terrible losses like to Mario Rinaldi, Travis Wiuff, Robert Beraun, Ron Waterman, Bobby Hoffman.... I just dont think Ricco makes the grade.
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    Antonio Inoki is more Pro Wrestling HOF
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    Rickson Gracie is a good shout, I suggested him but he doesnt really have much of a record, he didnt really fight enough and his record of 1000 fights undefeated or whatever seems like bullshit...

    Rorion Gracie, maby BJJ HOF, couldnt really put him in with other MMA fighers
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    Post  redmeanie77 Sat May 01, 2010 2:04 pm

    Ricco Rodriguez is a bit of a strange suggestion I have to say... his record really doesnt stack up, I think he has lost more often than not when fighting against other top heavys

    Wins: Arlovski, Buentello, Monson, Broughton, Couture
    Losses: Sylvia, Monson, Nog* , Rizzo, Rothwell, Bigfoot

    And he has a few terrible losses like to Mario Rinaldi, Travis Wiuff, Robert Beraun, Ron Waterman, Bobby Hoffman.... I just dont think Ricco makes the grade.


    Fixed it for you Ben king
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat May 01, 2010 3:15 pm

    Pat, Jens, Tito are borderline...i wouldn't put tito in because all he ever had was his streak of 5 title defences, and they were all against poor fighters. He never clearly beat a top guy in their prime. e.g. bonafide HOFers chuck, frank and randy beat him clearly.
    his best wins were when he scraped past wand, forrest and vitor.

    the others could make an argument, e.g. who was a well rounded fighter before Pat? that plus a long title reign, plus the first "super camp".

    Jens was the first LW star...


    but i would not be bothered either way, ill leave it up to you guys.

    Ricco? i dont think so. He can go in the same category as Timmeh ad Andrei for me. Good champs...not HOF material.




    anyway i changed the pictures not tp have the records in it:

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    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hofhughes
    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 HofWand
    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hoffrankshamrockversion2

    wand isnt great, best one is royce i think


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    Post  Albion_Oakley Sat May 01, 2010 4:44 pm

    redmeanie77 wrote:
    Ricco Rodriguez is a bit of a strange suggestion I have to say... his record really doesnt stack up, I think he has lost more often than not when fighting against other top heavys

    Wins: Arlovski, Buentello, Monson, Broughton, Couture
    Losses: Sylvia, Monson, Nog* , Rizzo, Rothwell, Bigfoot

    And he has a few terrible losses like to Mario Rinaldi, Travis Wiuff, Robert Beraun, Ron Waterman, Bobby Hoffman.... I just dont think Ricco makes the grade.


    Fixed it for you Ben king

    Lol yeah that decision was an utter joke
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Sat May 01, 2010 5:41 pm

    What decision is that, then? The Ricco, Nog fight? Should Ricco have won?? Sorry, haven't seen that fight, worth watching?
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat May 01, 2010 5:53 pm

    its contraversial because Ricco controlled him for most of the fight, but Nog was the one looking for submissions the whole time.

    in highlighted the differences between Japanese and American judges.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat May 01, 2010 5:54 pm

    Trust me when I say I've tried my best to get Pulver in Laughing

    The others though, I pretty much agree with Ben's explanations.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Sat May 01, 2010 5:56 pm

    Where was it, Japan?
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat May 01, 2010 6:01 pm

    Yes it was in Pride Total elimination.

    I can't find a vid right now.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Sat May 01, 2010 6:03 pm

    Sounds like L'n'P with the odd sub attempt.. really worth watching?
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat May 01, 2010 6:26 pm

    no. Shocked

    but guys if you ever need to watch any PRIDE fight in half decent quality with english commentary:

    http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/22768
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Sat May 01, 2010 6:27 pm

    Thanks alot for that Chestie, looks like an extremely useful link! *bookmarks*
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    Post  payneNglory1 Sat May 01, 2010 9:57 pm

    Ricco vs Nog (French commentary)






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    Post  redmeanie77 Sat May 01, 2010 10:12 pm

    Better with the english commentary, where you here the pride comentators nearly die of embarassment after that decision. Smile

    Ricco was actually contracted to the UFC for this fight, so......
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    Post  payneNglory1 Sat May 01, 2010 10:14 pm

    Ricco vs Nog at the 2000 ADCC

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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sun May 02, 2010 6:19 pm

    Good post Payne ive never seen that, Ricco used to be the dogs balls, Its a bitty he wasted the later half of his career being fat! Laughing Id love to see him get back on track, He is back in shape, he would make a good opponent for Lashley in SF....

    Yeah I remember thinking he was robbed in Pride because he was a UFC guy.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sun May 02, 2010 6:26 pm

    manschesthair_utd wrote:Pat, Jens, Tito are borderline...i wouldn't put tito in because all he ever had was his streak of 5 title defences, and they were all against poor fighters. He never clearly beat a top guy in their prime. e.g. bonafide HOFers chuck, frank and randy beat him clearly.
    his best wins were when he scraped past wand, forrest and vitor.

    the others could make an argument, e.g. who was a well rounded fighter before Pat? that plus a long title reign, plus the first "super camp".

    Jens was the first LW star...


    but i would not be bothered either way, ill leave it up to you guys.

    Ricco? i dont think so. He can go in the same category as Timmeh ad Andrei for me. Good champs...not HOF material.




    anyway i changed the pictures not tp have the records in it:

    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hofsakuraba-1
    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hofroyce
    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hofrandy
    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hofhughes
    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 HofWand
    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hoffrankshamrockversion2

    wand isnt great, best one is royce i think

    Absolutly superb work mate, really impressed!! Appreciate it. The HOF will look great, the Frank Shamrock one is amazing!

    Im in 2 minds about Jens and Pat, I like both guys but If I put them in people will make me put Tito in! Laughing
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Tue May 04, 2010 11:02 pm

    Hall of Fame *Under Construction* - Page 9 Hofhendo

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    Post  rudeboyben84 Tue May 04, 2010 11:15 pm

    Quality!!...... Though Dan Severn gets 2 styles and BJ only has 1 Laughing Laughing

    Absolutly superb looking they look the ticket mate, really good job. cheers

    Thanks again for doing those. Im off 2morro. Will get the Calendar and the HOF done then. Hendos one is Great! "Hollywood" makes you think Hendo coulda got himself a better nickname!! Laughing
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Tue May 04, 2010 11:34 pm

    i just put whatever is their original style is. and i didnt know what to put for Dan so i put 2 Embarassed

    i'm debating whether or not to have Mirko Filipovic "Cro-Cop", or just Mirko Cro-cop confused
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Wed May 05, 2010 12:49 am

    Crocop in as just the nickname maby?
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Wed May 05, 2010 5:04 pm

    I updated the records of the fighters who had pictures... Interesting thing...

    Couture and BJ had 2 fights since last updated.
    Hendo, Wanderlei and Hughes had 1 fight
    Gracie and Sakuraba didnt fight....

    Severn fought 3 times!!! and won all 3!!! What a guy!!! cheers
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    Post  Albion_Oakley Wed May 05, 2010 7:59 pm

    Dan Severn is a stud, I wish he was my uncle.

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