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Punches from the mount are aiming downwards and therefore have gravity on their side, surely they're more powerful?

Nah you get alot more power standing, you put your whole body into a punch, turn into it etc (not much of an expert on this tho...!). From the mount it's just an arm punch basically.

but his chin is nothing more than decent.

I think that's very unfair. I agree that Hendo has the better chin but Nog still has a good chin. Even against Randy, when he was past his prime and had taken insane amounts of shots his chin looked great. Now I know Randy isn't the biggest puncher, but he still packs a decent punch, he battered Liddell with those punches back when he had a decent chin, battered Gonzaga and dropped Sylvia to his ass, who at that point had never been KOed. Nog just shrugged those punches off.

The Fedor fight also shows he has a good chin, Fedor has the best GnP in the sport and has powerful hands and maybe it should have been stopped but Nog still wasn't out at any point. Shows a good chin.

Even against Mir when he lost, he was dropped several times and yes it was a clear stoppage but he wasn't out. He got straight back up and he had a stalph infection as well.

As for Lesnar, he definitley has a good chin. Carwin's punch didn't land clean but Carwin has the heaviest hands in the HW division. By far. Remember the shot he KOed Gonzaga with? About 3 inches away from Gonzaga's face but he still KOed him clean. Im not saying Lesnar has one of the best chin but it's definitley a good chin.

The_Axe_Emperor wrote:Punches from the mount are aiming downwards and therefore have gravity on their side, surely they're more powerful?

Power in strikes comes from your hips. Your feet need to be planted to generate power through the hips. Punch from the mount will never be anymore than 70% as powerful as standing punch.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

but his chin is nothing more than decent.

I think that's very unfair. I agree that Hendo has the better chin but Nog still has a good chin. Even against Randy, when he was past his prime and had taken insane amounts of shots his chin looked great. Now I know Randy isn't the biggest puncher, but he still packs a decent punch, he battered Liddell with those punches back when he had a decent chin, battered Gonzaga and dropped Sylvia to his ass, who at that point had never been KOed. Nog just shrugged those punches off.

The Fedor fight also shows he has a good chin, Fedor has the best GnP in the sport and has powerful hands and maybe it should have been stopped but Nog still wasn't out at any point. Shows a good chin.

Even against Mir when he lost, he was dropped several times and yes it was a clear stoppage but he wasn't out. He got straight back up and he had a stalph infection as well.

As for Lesnar, he definitley has a good chin. Carwin's punch didn't land clean but Carwin has the heaviest hands in the HW division. By far. Remember the shot he KOed Gonzaga with? About 3 inches away from Gonzaga's face but he still KOed him clean. Im not saying Lesnar has one of the best chin but it's definitley a good chin.

If Carwin had hit Lesnar flush with a right hand, then you could talk about Lesnar's chin. He hit him with a lunging left uppercut than didn't land properly. Nothing to base claims of a good chin on.

Getting knocked down so many times shows his chin is gone, recovering and getting back up are powers of recovery, not a good chin.

No it doesn't. Looping punches without a set base don't carry nearly as much as punches from a set standing position.

Randy beat Gonzaga with wall and stall and dirty boxing. He did not "batter him". And Sylvia had been down before and has never been noted for having a strong chin. And it was footwork and head movement that gave Couture the first fight against Chuck. He did not "batter" him either.

Thought this might help in your discusion.

from about 6 mins onwards,they show the differance between standing punches and punches thrown from the mount position.

Though watching Bas crushing a test dummy with some nasty kicks beforehand, is always worth a watch anyway.

payneNglory1 wrote:Thought this might help in your discusion.

from about 6 mins onwards,they show the differance between standing punches and punches thrown from the mount position.

Though watching Bas crushing a test dummy with some nasty kicks beforehand, is always worth a watch anyway.

This video contains content from National Geographic, which has been blocked in your country on grounds of copyright???

If Carwin had hit Lesnar flush with a right hand, then you could talk about Lesnar's chin. He hit him with a lunging left uppercut than didn't land properly. Nothing to base claims of a good chin on.

Getting knocked down so many times shows his chin is gone, recovering and getting back up are powers of recovery, not a good chin.

No it doesn't. Looping punches without a set base don't carry nearly as much as punches from a set standing position.

Randy beat Gonzaga with wall and stall and dirty boxing. He did not "batter him". And Sylvia had been down before and has never been noted for having a strong chin. And it was footwork and head movement that gave Couture the first fight against Chuck. He did not "batter" him either.

No it didn't land properly but with Carwin it doesn't need to. Even a shot that has 70% force behind would drop most, if not all HWs and KO some.

It doesn't show his chin is gone because all of the guys who have dropped him have huge power. The fact that he was able to recover so quickly shows a good chin.

No they don't, I agree but that GnP would have KOed more than half the Hw division. Just because they don't carry as much power as standing punches, doesn't mean they aren't powerful.

Did you see Gonzaga's face? Bloodied, broken and battered. Sylvia had previously been knocked down by Arvloski, really no shame there. He did use to have a strong chin.

Liddell got beaten up pretty bad, and it was footwork, movement AND punches that finished Liddell.

Randy has pretty good power and Nog walked through them.

And Payne the vid didn't work because of some copyright bullshit.

sorry about that

It's Randy doing tests on a crash test dummy

It starts of saying can a fighter really deliver as much force,sitting down as standing up.

During standard testing,Randy's stand up blow,measured 227 kilo's of force.

then in Randy's favourite position , on the mat,using the exact same dummy they used in the last test,they measure the force of his ground and pound attack.

he goes all out at the dummy from full mount for a minute and each punch measures 910 kilo's of force,they say thats nearly double the amount of a top HW boxers best punch and 4 times the force of Randy's standing shot.

The reasons,gravity and recoil,plus the technique allows Randy to add his full body weight to each blow,add that to the position of his opponent,whos body has alot less space to recoil to soften the blow.

but they do finish by saying that most times fighters don't useually get the KO's from this position,because fighters natural instinct are to turtle up,when in this position,so alot of these shots get deflected and don't actually land on the vunerable spots of the head,but when they do it's usually a guareenteed KO.

So to put it simply,a flush shot to the head from mount is 4 x more powerful than a flush standing shot.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

If Carwin had hit Lesnar flush with a right hand, then you could talk about Lesnar's chin. He hit him with a lunging left uppercut than didn't land properly. Nothing to base claims of a good chin on.

Getting knocked down so many times shows his chin is gone, recovering and getting back up are powers of recovery, not a good chin.

No it doesn't. Looping punches without a set base don't carry nearly as much as punches from a set standing position.

Randy beat Gonzaga with wall and stall and dirty boxing. He did not "batter him". And Sylvia had been down before and has never been noted for having a strong chin. And it was footwork and head movement that gave Couture the first fight against Chuck. He did not "batter" him either.

No it didn't land properly but with Carwin it doesn't need to. Even a shot that has 70% force behind would drop most, if not all HWs and KO some.

It doesn't show his chin is gone because all of the guys who have dropped him have huge power. The fact that he was able to recover so quickly shows a good chin.

No they don't, I agree but that GnP would have KOed more than half the Hw division. Just because they don't carry as much power as standing punches, doesn't mean they aren't powerful.

Did you see Gonzaga's face? Bloodied, broken and battered. Sylvia had previously been knocked down by Arvloski, really no shame there. He did use to have a strong chin.

Liddell got beaten up pretty bad, and it was footwork, movement AND punches that finished Liddell.

Randy has pretty good power and Nog walked through them.

And Payne the vid didn't work because of some copyright bullshit.

Randy has average power and Nog was shaken a couple of times.

It was footwork and movement, and then takedowns. Nothing to do with power punches.

Gonzaga's face was fucked from a takedown when Randy broke his nose with his forehead. Nothing to do with punches. Sylvia had been down other times. GnP very rarely KOs anyone.

70%? It was his weak hand, over-extended AND it didn't land flush. Most LHW's would have taken that shot.

He wasn't shaken at all, he just walked it off and Randy has pretty decent power.

Ye that set the platform. He actually finished with his punches and the power he had behind them.

True, I forgot about that, it was because of the takedown. I know Arvloski dropped Sylvia, who else has?

That shot would have killed most LHWs. Doesn't matter if it's over extended when you have heavy hands like Carwin.

ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:He wasn't shaken at all, he just walked it off and Randy has pretty decent power.

Ye that set the platform. He actually finished with his punches and the power he had behind them.

True, I forgot about that, it was because of the takedown. I know Arvloski dropped Sylvia, who else has?

That shot would have killed most LHWs. Doesn't matter if it's over extended when you have heavy hands like Carwin.

Wrong, Nog was shaken twice in that fight. Quite clearly.

Wrong again, it set up takedowns, one of which led to the end of the fight with some GnP.

Of course it does, don't be ridiculous. Have you ever been in a fight???

why argue about lesnar in MY OPINION having a good chin.

as the article says IN YOUR OPIONION so you dont have grounds to argue just pass judgment.

Lesnar's never proven himself to have a chin worth talking about and he ran away from Carwin and avoided taking a big shot on the chin by flopping to the ground.


Even IF he does have a good chin, he's a coward when it comes to getting hit.