rudeboyben84 wrote: p4pnumber_1 wrote: Cowboys From Hell wrote:I think God has done Wand a huge favor with Vitor being injured, Belcher is the obvious candidate but to be honest I think like Vitor he will smash Wand.
As much as it pains me to say, I dont think there's many top 10/15 mw's that Wandi would beat these days
..but Vitor was a lot more likely to end Wandi's career via vicious knockout than Bisping is in my opinion.
At the risk of argueing with you and looking stupid... again.
He cant beat top 10/15 Mw's? He beat Bisping, what has changed so much since then? Bisping isnt likely to KO him is he?
His fight with Franklin was razor thin and he was just adjusting to cutting weight. He beat Cung Le who a lot though would beat Belfort...
Being a close fight for Bisping/Franklin and people dont rate him? Surely if he can hang with these guys he still is top 10/15 good?
What about all the wrestlers? Is it a given Weidman or Munoz would outwrestle him for 15mins? In Pride he hung with Arona on the ground and were yet to see a wrestler controll him in the UFC, I think most just accept they would without putting too much thought into his grappling abilities.
Lets not forget Munoz has got his ass handed to him and KO'd by lesser men than Wand. Look how he struggled with Maia's standup... you think Wand wouldnt just walk through Maia, or Munoz for that matter.... because he would.
Boetsch would get beat down. Okami could see a repeat of the Franklin fight...
Wands chin isnt what it use to be (it was never really his strong point) but he has beat top 10/15 guys recently and nothing has changed to suggest he cant do it again. Sure Stann, Lombard and Belfort might not be good matches for him but why all of a sudden can he not hang with the others despite being better than Bisping?
I think if Wand wins his next one you have to put him on the Underrated list!
Now now mate, no hard feelings lad
Before I say anything else, let me make it clear, Im a big Wandi fan, assuming as are you, and theres nothing i'd love more to be able to say with confidence that he would bust his way through most top 10/15 UFC fighters on a way to a title shot
...but I just cant see it anymore mate.
What has happened since he's beat Bisping? Well first of all Bisping has significantly improved without a doubt, and Wandi has hardly got better since then, especially considering he was brutally knocked out by Leben. Bisping would beat Wandi if they fought now, I think 99% of people would agree on this, even Bisping haters and Wandi fans can surely agree on this?
As for Franklin and Cung Le... First of all is Franklin even top 10/15 anymore in the MW division?...he hasnt fought as a middleweight in the UFC since his title fight vs Silva at UFC 77 like 5 years ago..Hes a good fighter, but I dont think he's top 10 material at all anymore to be honest. As for Cung Le, well hes not even close, never was to be fair, and he still came close to knocking Wandi out!
Unfortunately, I think anyone with a bit of power would finish Wandi, and lets face it his chin isnt gonna get better. Plus his style hardly protects his chin does it. Can you say with confidence that theres any top 15s he would beat?
Munoz and Weidman would both beat him. He hung with Arona on the ground? What 7 years ago? Wandi isnt even close to the fighter now as he was then. You mentioned Maia, who I actually think he would be able to stand with as Maias stand up is pretty atrocious..but unfortunately for Wand hes now a welterweight. Munoz would have far too much power for Wandi to handle.
Boetsch and Okami would get beat down? These are lower tier in terms of top echelon fighters, but I still think they would be too powerful for him. These guys are better fighters than Chris Leben remember.
Okay Ben mate..If Wandi wins his next fight (pending of course that it is a top 10/15 match up) then I will publicly apologize on here