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    Post  rudeboyben84 Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:18 pm

    Lads any of you know when its being shown? I take it that its going to be Bravo still or will ESPN pick it up? Sorry if this has been asked and answered elsewere..

    Its on 16th September in the US (Right after Fight night 19) But I take it we will have to wait a few days after the americans see it.

    Ive a real bad feeling that there is going to be a slower pace to this show, In the past TUF's they have just started throwing fighers in against each other on the 1st show and there was a good amount of fights. Does anyone thing the 1st show will be there backgrounds, them moving into the house, interviews etc.. Ive a bad feeling there will be less fights that the last few shows.

    Heres the cast and a short description from Cage Potato..

    Zak Jensen – standout wrestler at Augsburg College
    Marcus Jones – former 1st round NFL draft pick who had a six-year career with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Scott Junk – Division II All-American football player at Southwest Oklahoma State and fought in UFC 76.
    James McSweeney – former international kickboxing and Muay Thai champion
    John Madsen – defeated Brock Lesnar in a high school wrestling match
    Matt Mitrione - played for New York Giants and Minnesota Vikings
    Roy Nelson – former IFL Heavyweight Champion
    Demico Rogers – high school football and wrestling star
    Brendan Schaub – played for Buffalo Bills and Arena Football’s Utah Blaze
    Darrill Schoonover – decorated Army veteran
    Wes Shivers – former member of the Tennessee Titans and Atlanta Falcons
    Wes Sims - fought two heated battles with former UFC champ Frank Mir at UFC 43 and UFC 46
    Kimbo Slice – former EliteXC heavyweight contender and YouTube sensation
    Abe Wagner – played linebacker at Michigan Tech and has a degree in mechanical engineering
    Mike Wessel – UFC veteran and former strength and conditioning coach at University of Arkansas
    Justin Wren – All-American high school wrestler
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    Post  Ginginho Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:56 am

    Can I ask a favour from my fellow Armbarrers??

    Could someone post a quick round up of each episode as it happens - I can't be arsed watching it over the 'net and Sky (be thankful Sky didn't get rights in the UK!!!) in NZ will not show it, no matter how much I hassle them.

    Sky NZ, which I believe is an offshoot of the UK company, is absolute shit when it comes to MMA. The last TUF series we got was 4 or 5 (Serra and Lutter(??) won) and they used the Silva vs Leites fight to promote UFC100 for fucks sake!!! Not to mention PPV (NZ$25 or about GBP10 and not even in HD) for UFC events, no coverage of UFN's at all and no mention of anything else. ESPN, which is shown through Sky, show some Strikeforce but that is so behind that last week I watched the build up to the Shamrock vs Cung Le fight!!

    You don't know how lucky you are!! Sad

    Thanks in advance
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:09 pm

    Didnt realise you were living in NZ mate! Yes Ill keep you posted on the results and what happened in each fight... Id bet that there wont be any fights in the 1st episode though
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:12 pm

    you'll like this if you havent seen it;

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    Post  rudeboyben84 Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:40 pm

    Yeah I saw that, Good Video! I was really looking forward to Evans vs Rampage, Rumour has it that It might still go ahead! Were probabally looking Feburary before it goes ahead though... Some monsters taking part in TUF, I didnt like how they introduced Kimbo last.. He isnt any different than the other fighers! I think its a bit disrespectfull to guys like Nelson who have been top 10 in the world at one point!!

    Im really looking forward to the show though, I just hope that the NFL guys and bigger fighers dont become wrestlers and lay and pray their way to victory over smaller guys.

    Ive a bad feeling that they wont make the guys fight as often because there are some big names in there, I know there is a lot of Buzz around this season but Considering there will be less fights and I tend to just fast forward to the fights I dont know if I will enjoy this season as much. That clip suggests that they wont fight in the 1st episode anyway.
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    Post  Moose Stuff For Money... Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:04 pm

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    Post  rudeboyben84 Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:14 pm

    Good news its on the 19th!
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    Post  wilksdaman Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:27 pm

    I guess Five USA isnt available on freeview then....bugger.

    Will have to resort to watching it online somehow I guess.

    Bringing in Kimbo last was a bit tacky, and like you said, Ben, pretty disrespectful for the other guys, especially those who have established themselves already in the MMA world.
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    Post  GWillz Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:26 pm

    Quality vid, really excited for this season.

    I agree that bringing Kimbo in was direspectful to the rest. Especially when Rampage tells him he don't have to train as he will pick him anyway. What is that all about!!! Will make every want to gun for him now tho!
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:58 pm

    I know there are fighers with better records than Roy Nelson but im just using him as an exaple...

    13-4-0 is a better record than 3-1-0

    If You multiply Kimbos by 4 it would be 12-4-0 so even percentage wise Nelson's is better. Than you look at the Fact Nelson was the last IFL champ, A title he defended twice against the likes of Brad Imes. His record should really read 13-3-1 anyway because Monson should not have picked up a win that night...

    Anyway look at Kimbo being KO'd by a Lhw with a Jab in a bit of a suspect fight... Nelson was doing alright against Arlovski as well before the Ref got bored and stood the figth up when Nelson was in a better position again a suspect fight but against Nelson...

    Anyway Darrill Schoonover is 10-0-0 and has finished all 10 of those 4 subs and 5 KO's! Yet he isnt more of a big deal!! Brendan Schaub is 4-0 he hasnt been in with the same "tallen" as Kimbo but has finished all 4 in an average time of about 1minute...

    There are others with better records or similar records that Kimbo but I am just pissed off at his treatment, Seth Petruzelli KO'd him with a Jab in 14seconds!! James "Glass Jaw" Thompson could well have stopped him if there was a different ref!! And he finished him but Cutting his ear!!

    Also not to forget Kimbo lost in a streetfight to Sean Gannon 1-1 in MMA!! Seriously what are Kimbos Big wins? Tank Abbott who was 1-7 in his last 8 fights and Middle aged and out of shape and Bo Cantrell who was pushing 40 and coming off 4 back to back losses before the Kimbo fight he was 10-10 in MMA loosing to every recognisable figher he fought!!

    It actually makes me pretty mad to think UFC would give him that intro Mad

    My view on Kimbo is that he has done Fuck all to diserve all the treatment that he is getting. I think it is just because he is a bad ass black guy people think is "Gangsta" and that buggs me, UFC is a bit WWE I think, It rewards people for being big characters and thats bollox, If its a sport you should be judged on your performance in the sport end of story... not how cool you are or what your image is like or who fucking cool your beard and tattoos are!! I think if Kimbo looked like Tamdan McCrory and had the same record UFC would laugh in his face.... so what is UFC a sport or entertainment?

    Its always bugged me about the UFC, I think its all a big rebelious teenager. The Screaming Metal song UFC use as theme... the bloodsplats on the Logo... Fighters encouraged to have fake Rivalries (almost Pro-Wrestling at times) I dont know if anyone knows what I mean by calling it a bit "X-treme" with an X... But id really like a slightly more grown up layout to it... Its something I really appreciate about Boxing, the whole thing is just a bit more classy and grown up. I know UFC want to appeal to a target market, the type of people who listen to Korn and Limp Bizkit (If they are still cool!) and thing Jackass is still funny... But why do they need a target market for a sport? Boxing doesnt need that... its a sport, It doesnt need a 18-31 target market, I used to watch Boxing with 3 generations of my family so I dont see why MMA cant be the same. I really like them to drop all this Bad Ass image and focus on making it more of a Legit sport, it would make it more widly excepted and do its image the world of good...

    Bit of a Rant there but the Entertainment side and Cheesyness of it all is begining to bug me a but, a 4-1 guy who wasnt even that good at Bare Knuckle Boxing getting that kind of attention just wound me up.
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    Post  Paddyjock Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:24 pm

    Ben - I agree with everything you have just said about Kimbo but I can see why the UFC are building him up on TUF 10.

    What you have to remember (as posters frequently point out to Newbies) that the UFC is not a sport but a promotion. The UFC is out to make money first and foremost. Thats it - bottom line is the bottom line. Kimbo Slice no matter what is record is more recognisable than any other fighter on TUF and dare I say it than most UFC fighters to the man on the street. If you walked around Belfast with a picture of Machida, Lesnar, GSP, BJ Penn and Kimbo I guarantee more people would recognise Kimbo than the others.

    Personally I think Kimbo is at a massive disadvantage not just because I think he's not that good but because he'll be a target for every other fighter. It will be interesting to see if he integrates into the house and forms friendships with the other fighters.

    I'm excited to watch this season of TUF - normally its just a bit of mild MMA/reality entertainment but I genuinely think we might see some explosive action in this series and I like the fact there is only 1 weight class again.

    No matter what anyone says Kimbo is a star - not an MMA star but he is someone that will make people tune into TUF. I'm afraid it's just all part and parcel of MMA becoming more mainstream.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:37 pm

    Everyone I mention Kimbo to doesnt know him! I think in the states maby Kimbo might be more recognisable but to have seen him in Belfast you would need to have seen him youtube video and remembered it or been a hardcore MMA fan and went on MMAlinker or the likes to watch his fights because they werent televised... Lesnar would be far more recognisable seeing as he has been over here with WWE... I think in the states also Lesnar is more recognisable than Kimbo but point taken he is more of a "Celeb" than someone like BJ penn or the likes!

    I guess your right that UFC is a promotion and is more about making money but If they really wanted to make money surely making UFC acceptable to everyone would make it more money. I dont know what the numbers are like for UFC vs Boxing but in reality Boxers are making 10's of millions for a fight MMA fighers are making a few less 0's on their paychecks... Boxing is a family sport, Dads Bring their sons, Husbands Bring their wives, Its something all the family can get into... MMA isnt currently, In Japan it kind of is looked at differently and I think UFC needs to be less cage rage and more boxing. My Girlfriend finds UFC horrifying but things Boxing isnt so bad and I think half of that is the whole Image with UFC... Maby its just my taste and Im being a bit fussy but I think bill UFC events as a big more classy, Michael for Bruce Buffer, No Metal music unless fighers use it for an intro... No Skulls and Blood and Spikes everywere... that just makes it an 18-31 sport... the target audience of Pro Wrestling.

    I dont know why Kimbo set me off on this rant. I like the guys and like his fighting style but want to see him get beat down because of the treatment he has got off the back of his image.
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    Post  Paddyjock Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:39 pm

    Calm down dear - its only a commercial!!

    lol!
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:17 am

    Haha yeah I took that advertisment very badly... Kimbo to win lol!

    Whos your call to win the show? I think its really up in the Air Just because of the Size of some of these NFL guys and Huge fighters, Some of the 6 foot 260lbs guys at the front almost looked small...

    Id like to see Simms vs Kimbo or McSweeney vs Kimbo..

    But Still Michale Buffer Over Bruce Buffer and id be happy... I know im in a minority but he is starting to melt my head!
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:12 pm

    Don't read to much into it, I really don't care much about Kimbo. Thing is, I don't think he is worth a shit so I really don't get why that guy was like Kimbo is like a sheep between a pack of wolves. He is no different to anyone. He is a fighter but not a MMA one IMO. I think Darrill Schoonover will win this, he is like 23 and looks a massive prospect. I don't care much for Nelson TBH, I don't think his physique is right for the sport as an image or to be successful. Compare his body to Lesner. Fine, not everyone can be like Lesner but most of the other top HWs have a good healty body. Marcus Jones, a fomer NFL player looks like a beast, lets hope he is better than Sapp. American football players have a decent base going into MMA, they are strong, athletic, some are quick and shoud be able to take guys down an throw punches.

    Also, while Kimbo got an introduction, its not like Dana and Evans gave him a world of respect. Thing is, he is a draw. I don't know why, people seem to like watching a street fighters or something, but he is. He might get some favourable treatment but if he looses one to many he will be gone. Dana is a smart man, he can either make or destroy Kimbo and get a lot of ratings either way. If he wins one or two, people will keep watching him. If he loses then Dana will release him and even if he goes to Strikeforce, he will be virtually worthless by then. Thing is, he was introduced because he is a celebrity, you do need to hype him up. I mean the other fighters would have been a little suprised if they jut saw Kimbo standing with them from te begining.

    Anyway, I wish Kimbo well, I think he gets some unfair critisim from the "real MMA fans" but its no really his fault EliteXC were a shit company. This guy was homeless once, whats he going to do, turn the money down? I don't think he will ever be a relevent MMA fighter and in 10 years people will forget him but hey, im interested to see how he does. This season looks incredible, can't wait for it.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:41 pm

    totally agree with you ben, the gladiator entrance on the ufc events is cringeworthy, and i dont want to be "that guy" who brings up PRIDE in a TUF conversation, but that was how the great sport of MMA should be presented even if it was a bit over the top sometimes.

    Affliction is another example, the presentation for those shows much classier than the ufc, it was similar to boxing though it shared some of the similarities with the UFC mostly because it was ran by a company who make "that kind" of t-shirt if you know what i mean.
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    Post  Additional Generic Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:12 pm

    Great video and should be an interesting series if only for Rampage and Rashad.
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    Post  George_Louis_Costanza@who Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:30 pm

    I felt sorry for Kimbo being introduced last IMO it was Dana's way of rocking the apple cart so to speak Kimbo looked embarrassed by it.....

    I'm looking forward to the season especially after all the hype and the sneak preview looks like it will be fire works as for a winner i can not look past Nelson he has a great ground game probably the best amongst the cast by some distance, decent stand up and a ton of experience
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    Post  Paddyjock Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:23 am

    One thing that you have to think is that Kimbo's physique isn't natural. He must have juiced when he was street fighting? OK he isn't now but he has had some help
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:26 pm

    check this out.

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    Post  payneNglory1 Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:19 pm

    Kimbo is never going to make a big impact on the UFC heavy scene but he has earned my respect for actually taking this option to get into the UFC.

    It would of been easy for him to tie up a well paid contract with other Orgs and who knows if he had signed up with Strikeforce with there limited heavys,his next fight could of been a big money fight with Fedor.

    Hats off to the guy,after his last embarrassing KO he has the balls to start again from the bottom rung and put himself in a position to be ridiculed or even destroyed in front of a massive audience just to earn his stripes instead of like last time when he was thrown in at the deep end with a whole promotion relying on him even though he was a complete novice when it came to MMA.

    He is not that bad a fighter,Bas Rutten obviously saw something in him,he is just very one dimensional,like a Houston Alexander.Although fighters like Houston do not appease the purists they are more than capable of putting on a good show if matched up correctly,so for me if Kimbo is matched up right,he could be in some entertaining fights a bit like how I feel about Baroni,put them in against opponents outside the top 10 and there could be fireworks but put them in against the class above and they will get easily beaten.
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    Post  Albion_Oakley Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:44 pm

    Kimbo vs butterbean please !
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:36 pm

    Here is a funny and crude Interview with Wes Sims, and damn he doesn't hold back;

    Jeffrey "The Vile One" Harris: So what is your background and what were you doing before you started doing the show?

    Wes Sims: Hey this is Wes "The Whole Show" Sims, formerly known as "The Project." Professional fighter. Fought around the world. UFC veteran. I think the only UFC veteran to be main card coming back on the TV of The Ultimate Fighter. So, I'm looking to make it very interesting this season. Before I went on the show, I was living it up in the streets of Chicago, homeless. You shocked? You surprised? You still there with me, Jeffrey?

    TVO: Were you hanging out with Mark Coleman and Phil Baroni at all?

    WS: I was before I was homeless.

    TVO: I hope now you've maybe upgraded to something better than a cardboard box.

    WS: I've got an apartment now. The cardboard box? Uh-uh. Sleeping bag under the highway.

    TVO: That sucks man. Obviously, you're done shooting the show, and the first episode hasn't aired yet so we can't talk too much about that. But what have you been doing since you finished shooting the show?

    WS: Lots and lots of interviews . . . I really want to start working on my porn career. Yeah. Let's not elaborate that, let's not go into that. Just quote me, "I want to start working on my porn career."

    TVO: Maybe the right person will read this interview.

    WS: I just want to make sure because everybody knows I've got the largest crotch in the sport.

    TVO: Is that such a good idea if you want to pursue a career in UFC or MMA to work in porn?

    WS: Ah well, hell yeah, there's a lot of guys that do it. A lot of guys.

    TVO: Who has done porn and fought in the UFC?

    WS: Aaron Brink was a porn star. You got Dick Delaware. Kimbo Slice was a porn star before he was Kimbo Slice.

    TVO: Yeah, he was the bodyguard of the MILF . . .

    WS: Of the MILF Hunter, that's right. Frank Trigg did some gay shit.

    TVO: Isn't he married?

    WS: Whatever, I just know he did some gay pictures. 'Nuff said . . . do you want me to keep going? Give me enough time, I can think of some more.

    TVO: Even though you yourself have been in this game a long time, you are not as big of a name as Kimbo Slice, who just has a few fights to his name, and this whole season has been marketed around Kimbo Slice. And a lot more people are probably going to be watching the show because of Kimbo Slice.'

    WS: I won't argue that. You're right.

    TVO: Does that bother you at all?

    WS: I'm a show stealer. You'll have to wait and see. I don't care how they advertise it. I don't care what they do to get people to turn it on, end of the day, I want to know what people think.

    TVO: I mean, clearly you are going to be on TV every week. But the more people tuning in for Kimbo Slice means the more people that will be that will be putting their eyeballs on you.

    WS: At the 11 o'clock mark, when that episode is over, every episode people are going to be saying, "Wow. Wes Sims."

    TVO: Are you training with Team HammerHouse right now?

    WS: Team HammerHouse is all over the place. Baroni's in California. Randleman lives in Vegas, and Mark just flew out to Vegas last week to start his training camp. So I will be leaving to go to Vegas real soon right after this.

    TVO: So who are you training with right now?

    WS: Just my thing here in town, but I'm getting ready to leave and go out to Vegas.

    TVO: How did you feel about your last three fights which you won?

    WS: Just small little fights. Small shows. Just getting back in there, you know. I've got a lot more to prove in the UFC. A lot more to prove and a lot of things I want to do, and this season was awesome. Things went good there. I'm very excited to be back and I'm definitely going to throw some shit up.

    TVO: I talked to Scott Junk who said no one was putting semen in anyone's food this season. Can you confirm that?

    WS: I didn't put no semen in no one's food, and no one better have put no semen in my food. If anybody puts semen in my food, I'm pushing their shit in next time, quote me on that. I watch it, and I see somebody did something to something I ate, next time I see 'em, they're on blast. I'm pushing their shit in.

    TVO: With like a baseball bat or something?

    WS: Oh, uh-uh, uh-uh. The real thing. Yeah. I ain't going gay again, but I'll tell ya, I'm pushing their shit in.

    TVO: Brendon Schaub was on the radio talking about Kimbo Slice being a great cook. Can you vouch for that?

    WS: That man can cook a mean steak.

    TVO: Would you invest in a steakhouse owned by Kimbo Slice.

    WS: Yes, yes I would. I'm going to tell you one thing I wouldn't do.

    TVO: What?

    WS: I wouldn't give one fucking penny to Roy Nelson if it had anything to do with food because that fat fuck ate everything he got his hands on. That pig-eating mother-fucker wolfed down, I mean he uprooted a shrub out back and ate it. I ain't ever seen anything like it. I grew up on a farm, and we didn't have pigs that hungry.

    TVO: I guess he's called "Big Country" for a reason.

    WS: Fat Ass! We call him Fat Ass. That man has a growth over his belt line that at any point could erupt! Have you ever seen Total Recall?

    TVO: Yeah man, I love that movie.

    WS: You remember, "AHH! QUAID!" That's a man! That's a man under his shirt! There's another human being in there. Ridiculous fat. Roy, go on a diet.

    TVO: He's with a lovely lady.

    WS: Newsflash, she ain't in it for your appearance. That ridiculous haircut and that gut? Either he makes a lot of money and she takes it, or she's cheating on him. Quote me . . . I'm just telling ya, quote me, he either makes a lot of money and she takes it or she's cheating on him.

    TVO: Being alone in the house, and its uncomfortable except all the alcohol and food you want. But what do you do to keep yourself mentally in the house so you don't lose it?

    WS: I didn't. I fucking lost it many times.

    TVO: Sorry to hear that.

    WS: You'll just have to wait and see.

    TVO: Did you guys have to wank it a lot?

    WS: There was no wanking. I tell ya, there was cameras everywhere. There was just no opportunity. I wasn't doing it unless I was getting paid for it.

    TVO: So basically you guys knew if you were caught doing it, SpikeTV would be filming it?

    WS: Oh yeah. If you're gonna wank it, you better got paid for it.

    TVO: How do you handle that?

    WS: It sucks! It sucks, how could it not? Another fact, there ain't nobody I could look at in that house and wanna go yank it.

    TVO: So do you leave and go back home and find a piece of ass to unleash all that pent up torment?

    WS: Are you kidding me? I flew a chick out there and I started beating the fuck out of her immediately. I had my girl fly out and I fucked the shit out of her in the hotel. I locked us in the hotel; we didn't get out for an entire day.

    TVO: Did you paralyze her or what?

    WS: Oh my God. At first go was horrible for myself because it was just ridiculous. But after that, I about ripped her guts out. I tell ya one thing . . . if I was someone waiting to get her kidney or something, I'd be dead because her shit's all bruised up.

    TVO: So it's kind of like you were pushing in and taking things out back on the way out?

    WS: Oh the shit was fucking -- yeah, it was a mess.

    TVO: I'm sure she'll forgive you if she really cares.

    WS: It makes me sick talking about it.

    TVO: But being a veteran and going into the show, was there anything, and knowing you'd be training with Rampage or Rashad Evans, was there anything you specifically wanted to work on and improve?

    WS: Oh for sure, you wait and see, however much training they show on tape, I have no idea, but the training sessions were so intense. They were awesome. It was really a really, really good experience and I wouldn't take anything back. I mean it was great. I loved it.

    TVO: So what's the dirtiest thing you've ever seen Phil Baroni do?

    WS: Man, I just think some of those internet pictures where his pants are hiked down well below his belt line just above his incredibly small penis. And it just makes me sick. I can't imagine some of the shit he's done. I can only assume, I can only assume he's had unprotected gay sex for money. And quote me for that, please.

    TVO: What if Phil reads that?

    WS: There's nothing better than an inter-camp struggle, there's nothing better than that.

    TVO: Thoughts on the fight with Tito Ortiz fighting your trainer, Mark Coleman at UFC 106?

    WS: I will say one thing. Mark's going to beat him up worse than Jenna [Jameson] took it in Jungle of Love 8.

    TVO: Anyone you would like to thank or give a shout out to?

    WS: My buddy Mike Davis, over in Chicago. Chris Thomas. Randy Harris. My trainer, Mark Coleman. Everybody that was making the calls to me when I was out on the streets.

    tVO: thanks for your time, and good luck with your other interviews.

    WS: No problem, talk to you soon.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:52 pm

    Wes Simms is a prick, I really dont like him... Hope we see him getting KO'd! He is a Bum there is now way he diserves back in the UFC, Sylvia would KO him again
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    Post  payneNglory1 Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:51 pm

    Yep Simms is a complete twat.

    I'm looking forward to hopefully see him get sparked out.

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