AA and Timmeh both pick up wins, time to go back to the UFC?

Well what do you all think? Both Picked up wins at the weekend and more supprisingly Sylvia made 265lbs!!

Both were seriously dull fights, at least untill AA ended his with a headkick.

For me Tim is far more likely to come back to the UFC, I think he was released by them and not on bad terms, he has since gone 6-3 and is probabally one of the most successfull Hw champs ever having 5 wins in Hw title fights. Put him in with the lower level guys like Struve, Hunt or Barry and he would get the job done and I even think he would have a good chance against the likes of Meathead, Schaub or Nelson.

AA is 4-4 since leaving the UFC but has had much tougher opponents. His chin will never get better but I reckon as with Sylvia he could hang with the lower level guys. A fight with Schaub would really interest me

both for me got to beat broughton de fries,

good names

Probably not both fights were horrible to watch (barring the KO, The Arlovski Fulton fight was dreadful) Timmeh needs to hang 'em up IMO I can not see anyone booking after that stinker name or not no Promoter will touch him for the cash he will demand.

I thought this was interesting Its from fightmatrix, They have an all time rankings thing using computerised stats, Tim Sylvia is 6th. He is only 35 and has won 6 of his last 7. I dont like watching him but I dont think its time to retire.

If you think that all the fighters above him bar Couture made their name in Pride theres a case he is the 2nd best Hw UFC has ever seen!

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3 Josh Barnett
4 Randy Couture
5 Mirko Filipovic
6 Tim Sylvia
7 Bas Rutten
8 Frank Mir
9 Mark Coleman
10 Brock Lesnar
11 Andrei Arlovski
12 Fabricio Werdum
13 Cain Velasquez
14 Junior dos Santos
15 Masakatsu Funaki
16 Semmy Schilt
17 Royce Gracie
18 Ken Shamrock
19 Pedro Rizzo
20 Igor Vovchanchyn
21 Alistair Overeem
22 Shane Carwin
23 Ricco Rodriguez
24 Sergei Kharitonov
25 Kevin Randleman

If it was up to me neither would fight in the UFC again. Both would lose to anyone even close to fringe contender.

p4pnumber_1 wrote:If it was up to me neither would fight in the UFC again. Both would lose to anyone even close to fringe contender.

Fringe contenders,

Struve, Meathead, Schaub, Nelson, Russow, Browne, Kongo?

I dont think its a stretch they might beat a couple off that list of the guys who are a couple of fights from getting to the top.

AA has good TDD, If his opponent hasnt heavy hands he is safe! Some Big hitters put him to sleep, it wasnt a million years ago he beat Nelson and Werdum.

Maby he has deteriated, maby Sylvia was just around in a bad era but they are both Ex-champs who have strung togeather a few wins, even if they arent title contenders they are the perfect guys to use as top level gatekeepers.

I think they are both better off staying outside the UFC and using their name power to attract and build interest in some of these smaller Orgs.

id like to see them in the ufc again, do you think AA could cut down in weight to poss LHW?

Tim Sylvia

"I want to get up there. I want to get on the big stage again and prove myself. It's not about winning titles. I've won five of them in the UFC, I've won other ones in other organizations; I don't care about fighting for the UFC title again if it never happens. But I do want to get back in the UFC and I do want to fight all the fights that I think the fans want to see (and) the fights that I want. I want to fight (Antonio Rodrigo) Nogueira again. I want to fight Frank Mir again. I'd like to fight Brock Lesnar, you know, Alistair Overeem... I want to fight all those guys. I just think it would be great for the fans. Just keep me around and let me have those great fights. I'm going to put on a show no matter what. I'm going to fight. I'm going to show up and I'm going to fight. .... Dana White, I don't know if (you're watching) but give me a shout."

I would prefer not to see either in the UFC, but, that's just cos I don't like Timmeh, and AA @ HW is just going to be cannon fodder.

I agree that Timmeh still has some winnable fights in him, but you just know that he'll have a couple of mediocre wins and then start screaming about wanting 'my title back' and I'm not certain I can handle that.

I always wanted to see CroCop vs AA, and I would have loved to see AA at LHW a few years back,I just cannot see him dropping down at this stage in his career.

What is it with you and wanting bums back in the UFC Ben!?! First Babalu and now these two! Let me know when either of them beat anybody who is ranked top 50.

Sheldan wrote:What is it with you and wanting bums back in the UFC Ben!?! First Babalu and now these two! Let me know when either of them beat anybody who is ranked top 50.

UFC Heavies lower ranked than both AA and Sylvia are...

Rothwell
Mark Hunt
Barry
Beltran
Aaron Rosa
Madsen
Philip De Fries
Broughton
Morecraft
Tuchscherer

Its pretty Harsh to call former UFC champs Bums, Id rather AA than Chris Tuchs on the roster for example.

Point is even if they arent Title challengers, Why shouldnt an Ex champ still be on the roster where as guys like Beltran who will never be at that level have a place on the UFC roster?

I'll be honest Ben I think the main problem with those 2 is the financial demands & baggage they carry, I can not see either accepting a 10k (or less) per fight contract with Zuffa can not see It, But I do agree I'd rather see Arlovski in the UFC ahead some fighters Philip De Fries is a name that springs to mind.

rudeboyben84 wrote:

Sheldan wrote:What is it with you and wanting bums back in the UFC Ben!?! First Babalu and now these two! Let me know when either of them beat anybody who is ranked top 50.

UFC Heavies lower ranked than both AA and Sylvia are...

Rothwell
Mark Hunt
Barry
Beltran
Aaron Rosa
Madsen
Philip De Fries
Broughton
Morecraft
Tuchscherer

Its pretty Harsh to call former UFC champs Bums, Id rather AA than Chris Tuchs on the roster for example.

Point is even if they arent Title challengers, Why shouldnt an Ex champ still be on the roster where as guys like Beltran who will never be at that level have a place on the UFC roster?

I find I usually agree with most things you post on here Ben, but on this one I have to disagree with you bud. Tuchscherer and Madsen have been cut. Rosa is back to LHW where he usually fights. Broughton will probably be away soon aswell. I honestly would back Barry, Beltran and Hunt against AA and Sylvia. It's not that long ago that Sylvia was KO'ed by...wait for it.... Abe Wagner?!

I think if they went back to the UFC they would be bottom of the barrel, maybe ahead of a couple of guys, like Rothwell and Morecraft ( who I both think will be away soon)

p4pnumber_1 wrote:

rudeboyben84 wrote:

Sheldan wrote:What is it with you and wanting bums back in the UFC Ben!?! First Babalu and now these two! Let me know when either of them beat anybody who is ranked top 50.

UFC Heavies lower ranked than both AA and Sylvia are...

Rothwell
Mark Hunt
Barry
Beltran
Aaron Rosa
Madsen
Philip De Fries
Broughton
Morecraft
Tuchscherer

Its pretty Harsh to call former UFC champs Bums, Id rather AA than Chris Tuchs on the roster for example.

Point is even if they arent Title challengers, Why shouldnt an Ex champ still be on the roster where as guys like Beltran who will never be at that level have a place on the UFC roster?

I find I usually agree with most things you post on here Ben, but on this one I have to disagree with you bud. Tuchscherer and Madsen have been cut. Rosa is back to LHW where he usually fights. Broughton will probably be away soon aswell. I honestly would back Barry, Beltran and Hunt against AA and Sylvia. It's not that long ago that Sylvia was KO'ed by...wait for it.... Abe Wagner?!

I think if they went back to the UFC they would be bottom of the barrel, maybe ahead of a couple of guys, like Rothwell and Morecraft ( who I both think will be away soon)

True mate but the Hw roster is a little thin, I suppose when they bring SF Heavies over that solves the problem without getting Sylvia back

AA I think can make fun fights though, When Rogers KO'd him, The Fedor fight, The Sergei fight. OK he has taken a couple of cans to restore his confidence. His hands are great and his chin is shit, recipie for an entertaining fighter, he looked good against Sergei who is a K-1 guy, he is a good striker despite getting KO'd... A lot. Put him in with Meathead or Schaub, he may not be on their level but early in their MMA careers they would welcome the big name his ex-champ status. Also hungry up and commers would take the fight to him if he was being timid.

rudeboyben84 wrote:

Sheldan wrote:What is it with you and wanting bums back in the UFC Ben!?! First Babalu and now these two! Let me know when either of them beat anybody who is ranked top 50.

UFC Heavies lower ranked than both AA and Sylvia are...

Rothwell
Mark Hunt
Barry
Beltran
Aaron Rosa
Madsen
Philip De Fries
Broughton
Morecraft
Tuchscherer

Its pretty Harsh to call former UFC champs Bums, Id rather AA than Chris Tuchs on the roster for example.

Point is even if they arent Title challengers, Why shouldnt an Ex champ still be on the roster where as guys like Beltran who will never be at that level have a place on the UFC roster?

Ok maybe bums wasn't the right word, I should have said washed up past it fighters. Arlovski lost 4 in a row and then beat two guys who arguably aren't even top 100, and then you think he deserves to be back in the UFC after that? As for Sylvia, he's gone 6-3 since leaving the UFC, including KO losses to Abe Wagner and Ray Mercer. But let's not discredit some of those wins, I mean he has deafeated the very talented Mariusz Pudzianowski and Jason Riley, not forgetting the living legends that are Vince Lucero and Patrick Barrentine. All of those fights took place at super heavyweight mind you, so none of that really matters, as he has won once at heavyweight since leaving the UFC, in the fight against Kraniotakes on Saturday. I haven't seen the fight but from what i'm hearing, Sylvia just sat on him for three rounds. I think he should expect a call from the UFC any day now!

As for the heavyweights you quoted, like p4p said, Tuchscherer and Madsen were both released about 6 months ago, Rosa is at LHW, so that leaves about 6. Rothwell was ranked top 15-20 by most publications before his lungs exploded in the Hunt fight, Hunt is there on the basis that it was in his contract, but it just happens to be that he beat Rothwell so he's still there. Then when the others were signed by the UFC, they were deemed as prospects. De Fries is unbeaten, Beltran had KO'ed 10 of the 11 fights he had won when the UFC signed him, Browne is unbeaten, Morecraft was unbeaten, Russow had one loss to Kharitonov, the list goes on and on.

I'd probably back every current UFC heavyweight to beat either Arlovski or Sylvia, off the top of my head I can't think of a UFC fighter currently signed that I think wouldn't have a good chance of beating Arlovski or Sylvia, and that includes Broughton and Morecraft.

Agree I suppose They need a big win and a good performance to show they are worth it, KO'ing Journeymen or Wall n Stalling them probabally wont get them noticed again.

I said before you posted fair enough Sylvia is boring and hasnt been even fighting at Hw but Id like to see AA back. Maby a win over someone half decent outside the UFC, Gonzaga maby, but Id like to see him fight the likes of Meathead or Schaub, even Barry. There are fighters who I think would make for a cracking fight with him going after his chin agressivley, his striking is technically really good and he still has KO power, the guy sparked Nelson who people compare his chin to BJ's! At the least and probabally at most he is Big marketable name for up and comers who would go down with a brutal KO or win a standup fight.

I dont think he diserves a place in UFC or has earned, he hasnt righted a 4 fight loosing spree by KO'ing 2 Journeymen but Id like to see him back.

Yeah in terms of entertaining then he would put on some good fights, the fights would probably end with his spark out on the floor but it would still be a good fight. To be fair I think both Arlovski and Sylvia shouldn't have been released in the first place, Arlovski's was obviously due to contract issues, but Sylvia only lost to Nog and got released straight after.

Arlovski's legacy is fucked enough as it is. Time to retire.

Who the fuck wants to watch Tim Sylvia waddle around and refer to himself as a 5 time UFC champion. The poor sap things that title defences count as winning the belt again.