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    Who's to blame for Fedor's downfall? Certainly not M-1 Global

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    Who's to blame for Fedor's downfall? Certainly not M-1 Global Empty Who's to blame for Fedor's downfall? Certainly not M-1 Global

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:23 pm

    Fedor Emelianenko's dramatic defeat against Antonio Silva last weekend at the IZOD Center in New Jersey sparked a very heated, and I must admit quite one-sided, debate in Mixed Martial Arts community. Who's to blame for Fedor Emelianenko's two consecutive defeats? It looks like everyone has an automatic answer to this question - Fedor's management, M-1 Global.

    People seem to forget that except of being Fedor's management, M-1 Global is a fighting promotion which organizes events all around the world. And just like any promotion, they have to protect their interests, and to defend their main asset, which in this case is "The Last Emperor" Fedor Emelianenko. I won't get any further into discussing how and why Fedor is so important, because in my opinion, it's pretty self explanatory.

    Instead, I'll give a link to this marvelous article at FightOpinion.com, where f4wonline.com's Dave Meltzer quoted from his radio show, saying a very interesting opinion about Strikeforce realizing they are at war with the UFC:

    "It just amazed me when, you know, again, it’s HDNet covering it as a sport and, you know, Greg Jackson’s there and they interview Greg Jackson and ask him about, you know, how Rashad Evans is doing and how Jonny Jones is doing and, you know, its your competitor and your competitor who’s running in a month, you know, in the same market basically and it was just weird to see. I mean I understand that they’re saying ‘well, we’re just covering it like it’s a sport,’ but you know UFC wouldn’t do that, you know, and… you know they have to realize that they are in a war and the guy who’s on top in the war absolutely knows he’s in a war and behaves like he’s in a war, and you know as their television goes if they’re going to say, ‘well, we’re not in a war,’ they’re probably going to lose a war when you pretend you’re not in it and the other guy who’s more powerful than you knows he’s in it and is pounding on you, so… It’ll take, you know, I don’t know, it was just really, really interesting to see that they… they have the mentality that they’re not in a war.”

    I don't necessary agree with Strikeforce not allowing questions about the UFC, because for a fact, Dana White constantly talks about host of various subjects in his post-event interviews. But I'll surely agree, just like probably a majority of people, that Strikeforce and the UFC are in state of fierce competition against each other. It' a tough business. And in this case, M-1 Global are just trying to win the battle.

    Blaming M-1 for Fedor's lackluster performances makes no sense at all. Just like bringing up the "psychic" comments made by Fedor's coaches. Yes, you can question M-1's negotiation tactics, but this has nothing to do with Fedor's performance inside the cage.

    It looks like everyone forgets about a professional (or technical) aspect of Mixed Martial Arts. What we need to do, is to ask a very specific questions. Such as, what kind of real conclusions Fedor made from defeat against Fabricio Werdum? Why he didn't train with sparring partners as big, and maybe as good as Antonio Silva (Yes, Shane Carwin)? How good is his nutrition with the amount of fasting he does? How motivated he is at the age of 34, after such an illustrious MMA career? I'm pretty confident that by asking some of those, we'll be in our way to find the answer.

    There's no doubt about Fedor having to review his current methods. Training camp with the overweight Kiril Sidelnikov and 220-pound M-1 Eastern Europe Heavyweight Champ Maxim Grishin couldn't prepare Fedor for the elite BJJ skills of Fabricio Werdum, and not for the crushing power of 290-pound Antonio Silva.

    Randy Couture for example, turned his MMA career into science. Unlike Fedor, "The Natural" adjusted his training and lifestyle as a professional fighter to his advanced age. And when you have a laboratory with fighters such as Martin Kampmann, Vitor Belfort, Gray Maynard and Forrest Griffin, believe me; you'll stay at the top for a very long time.

    If Fedor fails to reignite himself and fight his way back to the top, it will be nothing but a logical, or natural if you want, end to his career. His coaches, Vadim Finkelstein, M-1 Global or mysterious witchdoctors will have nothing to do with it. Nobody in the history of combat sports was able to end his career at the top. Fighters will continue to fight as long as they are winning. In the long run, everyone loses, and everyone retires. If not this year, maybe next year, if not next year, maybe in five years, but eventually Fedor will become a part of this simple fact of life.

    At the end of the day, Fedor Emelianenko's legacy is undeniable. No one can erase the memories of 2004 PRIDE Heavyweight Grand Prix, or turn victories over the prime Mirko Cro Cop and Minotauro Nogueira into defeats. Fedor will remembered for a very long time as the best Heavyweight in the history of Mixed Martial Arts, and forever as one of the greatest to ever compete in this sport.


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    So who or what exactly do you blame for the downfall of the greatest MMAist of all time?
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    Post  sunthunder Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:45 pm

    I think that apart from the obvious reasons, poor strategy has been a part of Fedors losses. The way he dived into Werdums guard was a clear and obvious mistake, but even in the first round of the Silva fight I don't think he was really playing to his strengths. Standing, he was spending extended time in the pocket with Bigfoot and he was getting clobbered with counter punches because of it. Even though Fedor is a short heavyweight, he isn't an inside fighter. His strengths are his speed moving in and out of range and his counter punching. He has flurried on opponents in the past, but mostly when they're already hurt or off balance. The way he stood with Silva in the first round is the way he fought and consequently got lamped by Fujita.

    One of Fedors greatest strengths has always been misdirection, keeping his opponent off balence, fearing the over hand punch or the takedown, and he wasn't fighting like that, he was fighting like a brawler.

    Obviously, regardless of the first round, Silva got on top of him in the second and he wasn't able to escape, but his first round performance does make me wonder if he might have stagnated in both his training and his own attitude as to how he can win fights.
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    Post  Once Mohawked Pete Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:09 pm

    sunthunder wrote:I think that apart from the obvious reasons, poor strategy has been a part of Fedors losses. The way he dived into Werdums guard was a clear and obvious mistake, but even in the first round of the Silva fight I don't think he was really playing to his strengths. Standing, he was spending extended time in the pocket with Bigfoot and he was getting clobbered with counter punches because of it. Even though Fedor is a short heavyweight, he isn't an inside fighter. His strengths are his speed moving in and out of range and his counter punching. He has flurried on opponents in the past, but mostly when they're already hurt or off balance. The way he stood with Silva in the first round is the way he fought and consequently got lamped by Fujita.

    One of Fedors greatest strengths has always been misdirection, keeping his opponent off balence, fearing the over hand punch or the takedown, and he wasn't fighting like that, he was fighting like a brawler.

    Obviously, regardless of the first round, Silva got on top of him in the second and he wasn't able to escape, but his first round performance does make me wonder if he might have stagnated in both his training and his own attitude as to how he can win fights.

    You make some really good pointe there mate. If you look at some of his previous fights, against Rogers and AA in particular, he seemed to want an up-close tear up. Okay, he was always going to spark Arlovski, but did look (momentarily) in trouble against Rogers. Do you think that he can change this at this stage in his career?
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    Post  Sheldan Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:42 pm

    I think people look to blame M1 because they simply can't bring themselves to blame it on a guy like Fedor who to many is their hero. But the fact M1 was so arrogant in the negotiations between them and UFC over Fedor, I think it was probably a good thing he didn't sign with UFC. Yes it would have been great to see him pitted against the guys in the UFC, arguably the best heavyweights in the world, but if he had of signed then Fedor's downfall may have happened a lot earlier than now.
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    Post  the_king Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:48 pm

    lots of fedor threads, i wanted fedor to win just like everyone else but i honestly think he has had too many wars its caught up with him.
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    Post  Sheldan Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:50 pm

    the_king wrote:lots of fedor threads, i wanted fedor to win just like everyone else but i honestly think he has had too many wars its caught up with him.

    I know just imagine how many they'll be if/when Anderson loses!
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    Post  the_king Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:52 pm

    Sheldan wrote:
    the_king wrote:lots of fedor threads, i wanted fedor to win just like everyone else but i honestly think he has had too many wars its caught up with him.

    I know just imagine how many they'll be if/when Anderson loses!

    yeah lol, go onto any mma forum or website and its all about fedor. i just wish they were talking about him winning rather than losing.
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