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    UFC 154 results

    Post  payneNglory1 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:54 pm


    Champ Georges St-Pierre def. interim champ Carlos Condit via unanimous decision (49-46, 50-45, 50-45) - welterweight title unification
    Johny Hendricks def. Martin Kampmann via knockout (punch) - Round 1, 0:46
    Francis Carmont def. Tom Lawlor via split decision (29-28, 28-29, 29-28)
    Rafael dos Anjos def. Mark Bocek via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
    Pablo Garza def. Mark Hominick via unanimous decision (29-27, 30-26, 29-28)
    Patrick Cote def. Alessio Sakara via disqualification (illegal strikes) - Round 1, 1:26
    Cyrille Diabate def. Chad Griggs via submission (rear-naked choke) - Round 1, 2:24
    John Makdessi def. Sam Stout via unanimous decision (30-27, 29-28, 30-27)
    Antonio Carvalho def. Rodrigo Damm via split decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28)
    Matt Riddle def. John Maguire via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28)
    Ivan Menjivar def. Azamat Gashimov via submission (armbar) - Round 1, 2:44
    Darren Elkins def. Steven Siler via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)

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    Re: UFC 154 results

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:09 pm

    GSP is a legend, number 2 P4p guy in my eyes. People bitch about him not finishing Conidt! Guy won 4/5 rounds, But Carlos is HARD to KO and he wasnt going to Sub him. He was very honest about his inability to finish people and I think he came across so well saying he wasnt blessed with the KO power of Rampage or athleticness of Jones but he works with what he has got.

    I would still resepect the man for taking a fight with Hendricks over Anderson. He shouldnt have to go against anyone outisde his weight class when Hendricks sparker Fitch and Kampmann. Also with a win Diaz should fight him watching that I feel Diaz is still the biggest threat to him as he only stands or fights off his back, Other top 170lbs fightres are Wrestlers.

    Anderson would KO George. Has to be said, I wouldnt rule out a finish by Sub either. GSP is a cracking fighter but too much was made by Goldie about him looking Big, he isnt a freak of the devision size wise and would be undersized against most 185ers I feel.

    Hendricks needs that title shot, There isnt a more clear cut #1 contender in any other devision IMO.

    Glad the Snake one, and by a Sub too. I know he is old but he could give a lot of 205ers problems with his standup if he wasnt in panic mode about figths hitting the ground.

    Cote got Rabbit punched to death! Im not normally one who cries blue murder at punches to the back of the head, these things happen when the guy your hitting turns away or is moving full stop, but that was a few too maby. Dont think Sakara ment it or was being dirty but the ref needs to be on that a couple of punches before that finish came... Cote's only time getting fucked up like... UFC giving him a rematch I think. Look forward to that.

    Lot of decisions in the UFC these days Crying or Very sad

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    Re: UFC 154 results

    Post  manschesthair_utd on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:25 pm

    great performance by GSP after such a long lay-off, I have really admired the guy ever since the Serra rematch, one of my favourite fighters.
    I think his acheivments in the welterweight division are as good if not better than Anderson's in the middleweight division.
    he has beaten some amazing fighters:
    Condit
    Shields
    Koscheck
    Alves
    Penn twice
    Fitch
    Hughes twice
    and many more

    I would give him a chance against Anderson, but i think he doesnt have enough to avoid getting caught with a strike by Anderson over 5 rounds (because he isnt finishing him).

    Oh, and its a slightly annoying to hear him say he "works with what he's got" and wasnt gifted with the athleticism of Jones when he really is one of the most athletic guys in MMA...i'd settle for being gifted the athleticism of GSP Laughing
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:43 am

    GSP was dominant, never came close to finishing Carlos but he was never likely to.

    Comical that two judges scored all 5 rounds to GSP. Condit clearly won one of them. Would have been interesting had that head kick landed clean on the jaw rather than the way it did. GSP wasn't as badly hurt as Goldberg and Rogan made out, it just took his balance away but he still had his full senses.

    All in all a fairly typical GSP performance, seemed a half step slower but that'll be the 18 month lay-off.

    There's only two fights left at 170 for GSP, Hendricks and Diaz.

    Hendricks is the interesting one because he's got great wrestling and that left hand is just ridiculous. I think the comparisons with Liddell are pretty accurate, although he doesn't have Chucks kicking ability.

    Diaz is much better than Condit on the ground and Condit could have snatched a couple of subs when GSP left openings but he seemed more concerned with throwing elbows from the bottom. But Diaz needs two wins to get back to a title shot IMO.

    Anderson should be fighting Weidman next. It's typical of the UFC though that number 1 contenders get shafted. Other than Weidman there's nobody left at 185.

    I'd like to see Anderson-GSP, although it's pretty obvious that it'll end with GSP unconscious and Anderson sitting on top of the cage, but I think it's only right that they both have one more fight in their division, GSP against Hendricks and Anderson against Weidman, before they fight.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:03 pm

    Take it Marquardt wont fight GSP? He is probabally top 5 at Ww now, I wonder if he will go back to 185 after stripping down to 170 im sure he would need to build himself back up.

    I think Diaz might end up fight Marquardt, would make sence to me for a number 1 contenders fight while Hendricks gets his title shot.

    Anderson has 2 fights left on his UFC contract, I reckon he is hoping GSP is one and a final defence of his belt.
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    Post  Mryzyz on Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:56 pm

    Has GSP said anything about wanting to fight Silva?

    We know Anderson wants it, we know the UFC wants it, but there's three parties involved and I haven't read or heard anywhere of GSP expressing a desire to take that fight.

    There is still hope for this 'superfight' not happening and us getting two legitimate title fights instead.

    WW is the best division now I reckon. I'd rather it's champ was available to fight contenders as often as possible.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:44 pm

    GSP needes to fight asap, Hendricks is good to go, lets have them fight at UFC 157 With Hendo and Machida number 1 contenders fight on the card itd be great.

    If Anderson wants this fight as much as I think he does he better forget the Idea of taking most of 2013 off because GSP wont wait with the devision the way it is.

    I remember GSP saying he wanted to get bigger if he was to fight Anderson when people talked about him going to 185? I wonder if he would leave the devision if he bulked up half way for a catch weight? Leave Nate to see if he can get the 170lbs belt?
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:36 am

    How would Nate the Grease be considered top 5 at WW after 1 fight? Shouldn't even be considered top 10.

    GSP, Hendricks, Condit, Diaz, Kampmann is the top 5 and there are a bunch of others who belong above Nate.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:59 am

    Yeah actually id have him 6th, Ellenberger beat Shields who was Number 2 at Ww and Mw for ages.

    1. GSP
    2. Hendricks
    3 Condit
    4. Daiz
    5.Ellenberger
    6. Marquardt
    7. Maia
    8. Kos
    9. Askren
    10. Fitch

    Dont think id have Penn as top 15, he hasnt won since Hughes. Id like to see him and Marquardt fight next, Penn would light him up on the feet and is better than Nate grappling, suppose if he looses to Macdonald he might retire or move back to 155, but the winner of that would be great.

    If not Ellenberger if he hasnt fought by the time Nate moves over and is the only real step ip.

    What for Diaz? A Condit rematch makes sence, he felt he was robbed, he should want to prove himself in a rematch insted of looking elsewhere. Hendricks will probabally wait on his shot at GSP

    Hendricks vs GSP
    Diaz vs Condit
    Marquardt vs Penn/Macdonald winner
    Fitch vs Maia - already happening
    Kos vs Ellenberger - was supposed to happen, like to see it.

    Ww is the strongest its ever been I reckon Shields made a smart move going to 185, seems like a lot less competition.

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    Post  GSPfan11 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:22 pm

    rudeboyben84 wrote:Yeah actually id have him 6th, Ellenberger beat Shields who was Number 2 at Ww and Mw for ages.

    1. GSP
    2. Hendricks
    3 Condit
    4. Daiz
    5.Ellenberger
    6. Marquardt
    7. Maia
    8. Kos
    9. Askren
    10. Fitch

    Dont think id have Penn as top 15, he hasnt won since Hughes. Id like to see him and Marquardt fight next, Penn would light him up on the feet and is better than Nate grappling, suppose if he looses to Macdonald he might retire or move back to 155, but the winner of that would be great.

    If not Ellenberger if he hasnt fought by the time Nate moves over and is the only real step ip.

    What for Diaz? A Condit rematch makes sence, he felt he was robbed, he should want to prove himself in a rematch insted of looking elsewhere. Hendricks will probabally wait on his shot at GSP

    Hendricks vs GSP
    Diaz vs Condit
    Marquardt vs Penn/Macdonald winner
    Fitch vs Maia - already happening
    Kos vs Ellenberger - was supposed to happen, like to see it.

    Ww is the strongest its ever been I reckon Shields made a smart move going to 185, seems like a lot less competition.

    Ben thats a great top 10, makes it even more impressive when you consider Kampmann Penn Alves etc are not in there, i know he's not everyone's cup of tea but I think Fitch deserves a higher ranking than 10 tho.

    I think UFC should match Diaz with Kampnann next, its a fight he should win but will still be competetive. I cant see Kampmann ever challenging for the belt but a win over him is good for anyone's record.

    If Macdonald beats Penn I'd have liked to see him against Fitch or Kos just to see where he is in this weight class. Think GSP's decision to stick around at WW may depend on how quick Macdonald rises up the rankings.
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    Post  Mryzyz on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:26 pm

    MacDonald won't be beating Penn.

    I'm going to give ben the benefit of the doubt and assume he forgot about Kampmann, otherwise he'd be top 5, above Ellenberger certainly.

    Kampmann v Condit makes sense, considering Kampmann holds a narrow win over Carlos and they both just lost a #1 contender and a title fight respectively.

    Diaz should fight Koscheck or Ellenburger when he comes back. He hasn't fought a hard hitting wrestler at the top level yet, so it would be good to see him against a different kind of opponent.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:15 pm

    rudeboyben84 wrote:Yeah actually id have him 6th, Ellenberger beat Shields who was Number 2 at Ww and Mw for ages.

    1. GSP
    2. Hendricks
    3 Condit
    4. Daiz
    5.Ellenberger
    6. Marquardt
    7. Maia
    8. Kos
    9. Askren
    10. Fitch

    Dont think id have Penn as top 15, he hasnt won since Hughes. Id like to see him and Marquardt fight next, Penn would light him up on the feet and is better than Nate grappling, suppose if he looses to Macdonald he might retire or move back to 155, but the winner of that would be great.

    If not Ellenberger if he hasnt fought by the time Nate moves over and is the only real step ip.

    What for Diaz? A Condit rematch makes sence, he felt he was robbed, he should want to prove himself in a rematch insted of looking elsewhere. Hendricks will probabally wait on his shot at GSP

    Hendricks vs GSP
    Diaz vs Condit
    Marquardt vs Penn/Macdonald winner
    Fitch vs Maia - already happening
    Kos vs Ellenberger - was supposed to happen, like to see it.

    Ww is the strongest its ever been I reckon Shields made a smart move going to 185, seems like a lot less competition.

    Kampmann was number 4/5 in the rankings and all of a sudden he's not even top 10 after 1 loss?

    Kampmann, Kos, Fitch, Maia, MacDonald, Askren and Alves should all be above Nate the Grease. 1 win over a chap who wasn't top 10 does not get you 6th unless you're coming in from there at a different weight class IMO.
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    Re: UFC 154 results

    Post  payneNglory1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:58 pm

    The WW rankings can be argued all around with the amount of talent in it now.
    Most can beat each other on any given day,it's a crazy division.

    I'd say the only firm positions at the moment would be GSP at 1 and Hendricks at 2 and Condit at 3.
    Kos wouldn't be ahead of Fitch for me,Kos is 2-1 since losing to GSP,he won a close S/D against Pierce and lost to Hendricks,Fitch has gone 6-1-1 since he lost to GSP,He got a UD against pierce while also losing to Hendricks.

    Diaz is a top 5 WW,but I still think he needs more than wins over Daley and BJ to justify it properly.I want to see him in the title picture,because he's a joy to watch fight,but Hendricks is easily more deserving.
    I'd be happy seeing him fight Condit,Kos,Ellenberger,Fitch,Maia or Kampmann.
    Askren is a top talent no doubt,but he hasn't fought the talent most of the others have,I mean Hieron pushed him close to his first loss.
    Ellenberger just beat hieron more convincingly,and has beat Sanchez,sheilds and Pierson,while losing to Kampmann.
    Kampman beat Ellenberger but lost to Sanchez and Sheilds.
    Nate has only one win like Anfield says.I think he can crack the top 10 but he needs to beat saffiedine and get a good UFC win under his belt first.
    And Maia is only on a 2 fight streak,though again I'm sure he'll soon establish himself as a contender.

    Then you have BJ,McDonald,Siyar,Sanchez,Pierce fighting for those bottom top 10 positions.

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    Post  GSPfan11 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:23 pm

    I think Sanchez is moving back down to LW Payne.

    Ideally for me you'd have Diaz against someone like kampmann, although I can see why people would like to see him against a top wrestler. Diaz vs Alves would also be fun

    I really don't see penn beating macdonald, if he wants to continue fighting I wish he would just drop down to LW.

    Fitch vs Maia has the potential to be a terrible fight but the winner of that will probably be a win away from a shot at the belt.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:55 am

    payneNglory1 wrote:The WW rankings can be argued all around with the amount of talent in it now.
    Most can beat each other on any given day,it's a crazy division.

    I'd say the only firm positions at the moment would be GSP at 1 and Hendricks at 2 and Condit at 3.
    Kos wouldn't be ahead of Fitch for me,Kos is 2-1 since losing to GSP,he won a close S/D against Pierce and lost to Hendricks,Fitch has gone 6-1-1 since he lost to GSP,He got a UD against pierce while also losing to Hendricks.

    Diaz is a top 5 WW,but I still think he needs more than wins over Daley and BJ to justify it properly.I want to see him in the title picture,because he's a joy to watch fight,but Hendricks is easily more deserving.
    I'd be happy seeing him fight Condit,Kos,Ellenberger,Fitch,Maia or Kampmann.
    Askren is a top talent no doubt,but he hasn't fought the talent most of the others have,I mean Hieron pushed him close to his first loss.
    Ellenberger just beat hieron more convincingly,and has beat Sanchez,sheilds and Pierson,while losing to Kampmann.
    Kampman beat Ellenberger but lost to Sanchez and Sheilds.
    Nate has only one win like Anfield says.I think he can crack the top 10 but he needs to beat saffiedine and get a good UFC win under his belt first.
    And Maia is only on a 2 fight streak,though again I'm sure he'll soon establish himself as a contender.

    Then you have BJ,McDonald,Siyar,Sanchez,Pierce fighting for those bottom top 10 positions.

    Oh I was just listing them, not ranking them. Far too much thought required to rank them without looking at recent records and rankings elsewhere etc.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:23 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    rudeboyben84 wrote:Yeah actually id have him 6th, Ellenberger beat Shields who was Number 2 at Ww and Mw for ages.

    1. GSP
    2. Hendricks
    3 Condit
    4. Daiz
    5.Ellenberger
    6. Marquardt
    7. Maia
    8. Kos
    9. Askren
    10. Fitch

    Dont think id have Penn as top 15, he hasnt won since Hughes. Id like to see him and Marquardt fight next, Penn would light him up on the feet and is better than Nate grappling, suppose if he looses to Macdonald he might retire or move back to 155, but the winner of that would be great.

    If not Ellenberger if he hasnt fought by the time Nate moves over and is the only real step ip.

    What for Diaz? A Condit rematch makes sence, he felt he was robbed, he should want to prove himself in a rematch insted of looking elsewhere. Hendricks will probabally wait on his shot at GSP

    Hendricks vs GSP
    Diaz vs Condit
    Marquardt vs Penn/Macdonald winner
    Fitch vs Maia - already happening
    Kos vs Ellenberger - was supposed to happen, like to see it.

    Ww is the strongest its ever been I reckon Shields made a smart move going to 185, seems like a lot less competition.

    Kampmann was number 4/5 in the rankings and all of a sudden he's not even top 10 after 1 loss?

    Kampmann, Kos, Fitch, Maia, MacDonald, Askren and Alves should all be above Nate the Grease. 1 win over a chap who wasn't top 10 does not get you 6th unless you're coming in from there at a different weight class IMO.

    Completley overlooked him, id have him around Nate/Maia probabally. Shit the devision is reduculously deep at the minute. Maby drop Askren insted of Fitch,


    1. GSP
    2. Hendricks
    3 Condit
    4. Daiz
    5. Ellenberger
    6. Marquardt
    7. Kampmann
    8. Maia
    9. Kos
    10. Fitch

    Nate vs Kos would be cool to see too.

    Diego is fighing Gomi aparently back at 155.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:40 pm

    How is Nate 6th? though? based on what? one win against a pretty average fighter?
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:06 pm

    He demolished Maia and Kampmann in a combined time of under 2 mins. I think he is 6th based on that and beating Woodley makes him one of the top WW's around I reckon.

    Id have had Kampmann over him before his loss, Maby 6th is too high but Id say he should be considered around Maia and Kampamnn because of his wins over them.

    Its hard to rate him as a Ww after one fight but seeing as he has 2 dominant wins over Ww contenders I think ranking him much lower would be underrating him.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:16 am

    Those fights mean nothing to the current rankings. Poor argument. Nate the Grease isn't top 10 at WW.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:25 pm

    Well forgot the technicalities of wins in other weight classes, based on his ability where do you see him? Think Maia or Kampmann fights would go much different? I think he is at at Ellenbergers level myself.

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    Post  kavik2 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:42 pm

    I think Maia is a much better fighter now than he was in 2009 and it is hard to judge between the two when there fight lasted 20 seconds, i would have Kosheck above Nate in the ranking's also he gave hendricks a decent fight.
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    Post  Mryzyz on Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:02 pm

    For what it's worth I'd have it:

    GSP
    Hendricks
    Diaz
    Condit
    Kampmann
    Ellenburger
    Koscheck
    Maia
    Fitch

    I don't see how Kampmann could be below Ellenburger given recent results.

    I also think Koschecks recent results don't necessarily reflect his talent. If he used his wrestling more, I'd only back Diaz and GSP to beat him at WW (I thought he beat Hendricks). I'd be interested to see him fight Condit next.


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    Post  kavik2 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:51 pm

    Mryzyz wrote:For what it's worth I'd have it:

    GSP
    Hendricks
    Diaz
    Condit
    Kampmann
    Ellenburger
    Koscheck
    Maia
    Fitch

    I don't see how Kampmann could be below Ellenburger given recent results.

    I also think Koschecks recent results don't necessarily reflect his talent. If he used his wrestling more, I'd only back Diaz and GSP to beat him at WW (I thought he beat Hendricks). I'd be interested to see him fight Condit next.


    I agree with Kosheck, I dont really like him but it was a really close fight with Hendricks and he frustratingly didnt bother wrestling against GSP. I think Maia is underated he has only been KO'd once and he has gone the distance with Anderson, Weidman and Munoz could be right up there at 170 IMO.

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