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    Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:27 pm

    After seeing Bob Sapp fight in fixed fight after fixed fight recently it got me thinking about Fixes back in Pride,

    Im sure a lot of the long term fans of MMA are aware that there is a lot of talk about some Pride fights being fixed.

    I was wondering if anyone knows what fights were rumored to be fixed?

    I know Coleman said his fight with Nobuhiko Takada was a fix. Off the top of my head its the only one I know that is generally accepted as a legit fix.

    I think I remember Rampage saying he was told he would get paid more to loose to Saku or something like that but I dont think the fight ended up being a fix, I think it was just he would get paid more if he lost! Laughing

    Goodridge hinted at his fight with Ogawa was a fix too, I saw that in a recent interview but I dont know if there is any truth in it.

    Anyone know if there were other fights said to be fixed in Pride?



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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  uly on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:29 am

    I think Goodridge said he was offered money to throw the Ogawa fight but refused, and then lost anyway


    anyway I found this


    Oleg Taktarov vs. Anthony Macias (UFC VI) - According to Macias, Buddy Albin the local site promoter and manager of both fighters threatened that Macias' career would be over unless he took a dive against Oleg. Oleg was unware of this. Macias went on to win titles in several Albin-promoted events. Buddy Albin was a total sleeze bag BTW.

    Dan Severn vs. Mitsuhiro Matsunaga (U-Japan) - Severn denies that his fight against pro wrestler Matsunaga was worked, but watching the fight itself leaves little doubt and the general consensus is that this was a worked fight.

    Kimo vs Kazushi Sakuraba (S-Cup) - This was billed as a legit NHB fight on a Shootboxing card, but it turns out it was not legit (another NHB fight on the card, M. Illioukhin vs Mestre Hulk was legit). The fight looks very real and Kimo lands a number of really solid shots and headbutts. There are several versions of what took place in this fight, but perhaps the closest thing to the truth is the version that has Sakuraba carrying Kimo for most of the fight before finally taking a dive without Kimo's knowledge. That would explain Kimo throwing real shots and Sak playing defense the whole time and also the fact that Kimo vehemently (and convincingly) insists it was legit, yet Sakuraba has said on several occasions that his first shoot MMA fight was the Conan Silviera fight, not the Kimo fight.

    Murakami Kazunari vs. John Dixon (Pride 1) - It was well-known in the fight community even before the first Pride took place that the Kazunari-Dixon and Kitao-Jones fights would be works. Pride's initial intent was to showcase different types of fights in addition to NHB - full contact karate, kickboxing and also shoot-style works like RINGS and PWFG. Later Pride would be more secretive about its worked fights.

    Koji Kitao vs Nathan Jones (Pride 1) - See above.

    Nobuhiko Takada vs. Kyle Sturgeon (Pride 3) - All of Takadas "wins" were blatant works. This is pretty much common knowledge.

    Nobuhiko Takada vs. Mark Coleman (Pride 5) - See above.

    Nobuhiko Takada vs. Alexander Otsuka (Pride 7) - See above.


    Fights that are suspected of being works but there is no consensus agreement:

    Don Frye vs. Mark Hall 3 (Ultimate Ultimate 2) - Several months after the fact Hall claimed that in the locker room before the match Frye had offered him $50,000 to take a dive so he would be fresh when he fought Tank in the finals (Frye had had a grueling match with Goodridge in the opening round and was exhausted). Hall came out with his accusations because, he said, Frye never paid him. Frye vehemently denied it and said Hall was a disturbed individual. Hall was blacklisted by the fight community and never fought again. The jury is still out on this one.

    Naoya Ogawa vs. Gary Goodridge (Pride 6) - Anytime a pro wrestler (other than Sak) gets a win in Pride people will claim it was a work. Gary denies this was a work but many people suspect it was. Hard to tell for sure.

    Naoya Ogawa vs. Masaaki Sataki (Pride 11) - See above.

    Vitor Belfort vs. Joe Charles (Ultimate Japan 1) - Vitor was sick and refused to fight unless he was able to pick his opponent. He chose Charles who was one of his training partners at the time. No strikes were thrown in what turned out to be a grappling match, with Vitor winning by armbar. Whether this was a worked fight or they simply had a gentleman's agreement not to strike is open to question.

    Mark Schultz vs. Leopoldo Montenegro (Jungle Fight 1) - Schultz claims this was work but everyone else involved denies it. There have been questions about some of Montenegro's other fights in the Inoki run promotion as well.

    Pancrase works: - The Pancrase organiztion admitted that there had been some worked fights early on, but did not say how many or which ones. Fights that most people agree were works are Shamrock-Hume, Shamrock-Suzuki 2, and Suzuki-Funaki. A number of others are suspected. Bas Rutten claims that he never participated in a work in Pancrase.


    idk about Sapp btw.. I know I wouldnt pay him to lose because he's probably going to do that on his own
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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:11 am

    Fucking hell, full and thorough reply mate! Thanks very much for passing it on. I remember reading about the Saku one now. Shame MMA is such a new sport things like that will go on an official record, great to know though...

    Ill have to go back and watch the Frye one, did Hall say he threw it? I dont remember any of Fryes old fights looking suspect and im fairly sure ive seen them all... have to go search that one out but it doesnt sound like a very Don Frye thing to do, they guy seemed to genuinley love fighting! Laughing

    MMA sounds like it has every bit a murky past as boxing does! Thanks again for that mate.
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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  Ginginho on Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:47 am

    Funny this was posted - I was just watching UFC: The Best of Pride on ESPN last night and there was a fight between Gary Goodridge and Yoshiaki Yatsu (their 2nd). In the early stages, something didn't seem right and I thought to myself "this looks fixed" - it turns out Yatsu was just absolutely shit and his corner threw in the towel as Goodridge started to smash him on the ground.
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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  Cowboys From Hell on Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:43 am

    I wouldn't be surprised I wouldn't just say Pride did maybe some early UFC fights probably were too and I'm convince a lot of the EliteXC stuff was rigged especially the Kimbo Slice & Bo Cantrell "fight" that was surely rigged I know Bo was no world beater and took the fight on short notice but gets a nice pay day with Kimbo then retires straight after sound very fishy.

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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:14 pm

    Cowboys From Hell wrote:I wouldn't be surprised I wouldn't just say Pride did maybe some early UFC fights probably were too and I'm convince a lot of the EliteXC stuff was rigged especially the Kimbo Slice & Bo Cantrell "fight" that was surely rigged I know Bo was no world beater and took the fight on short notice but gets a nice pay day with Kimbo then retires straight after sound very fishy.


    Forgot about all that Kimbo nonsence in ELiteXC, Seth was asked to stand with him and James Thompson fight had questionable refing but I dont know if there was a fix...

    Im sure KSW have their fair share of fixes too seeing as how corrupt the judging there is.
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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  manschesthair_utd on Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:58 pm

    Rampage said he was offered more money to NOT TAP, if he got caught.

    shady but not a work in any way.
    They were building him up to be a wild man and not tapping would help his image.


    Ken Shamrock has said the only fights that were legit in Pancrase were when foreigners faced against each other.
    personally i think thats bullshit he made up because he was more successful against other foreigners and lost a few times to japanese.
    the hume fight was a clear work.
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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:00 pm

    Not sure if you can consider this a fix but there were plenty of dodgy fights in Pride and in Japan as well. Rampage vs Ninja an example and to be fair I don't think Rampage had anything to do with it. The judges were paid to give him the win or they had never seen an MMA fight before.
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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  uly on Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:12 pm

    I think that was just a bad decision. There are so many really bad decisions in MMA, you cant just presume one of them is a fix otherwise you'd think Leonard Garcia is paying off judges left and right. I think the kinda favouritism that PRIDE may have shown Rampage though is sorta like a hometown bias thing rather than a straight up fix but idk

    Something like what happened when Khalidov fought Sakurai is more likely to be a fix though I think, maybe Pudz vs Thompson II as well, because theres obvious motive behind the terrible decisions
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    Re: Pride and Fixed fights

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:24 pm

    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Not sure if you can consider this a fix but there were plenty of dodgy fights in Pride and in Japan as well. Rampage vs Ninja an example and to be fair I don't think Rampage had anything to do with it. The judges were paid to give him the win or they had never seen an MMA fight before.

    There was nothing dodgy about that, it was just poor judging.

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