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    Biggest upsets in combat sports

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:38 pm

    Was reading an article online earlier and the chap that wrote it claimed that Bader beating Ramplod ranked among the biggest upsets, not just in MMA but in ALL of combat sports.

    Given that Ramplod is years past his best and hasn't looked impressive at all since KOing Wandi and even then, he didn't look great up until Wandi hung his chin, and Ramplod came in over weight and with an injury, I don't think it was an upset.

    For me, by far the biggest upset in combat sports history was Bob Sapp beating Ernesto Hoost in their first fight. Hoost is arguably the greatest kickboxer of all time, Sapp is an embarrassment to all of professional sports.

    Anyone got a bigger upset than that?
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    Re: Biggest upsets in combat sports

    Post  FOWLERSHIGHFIVE on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:02 pm

    What about GSP getting beaten by Matt Serra????
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    Post  Cowboys From Hell on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:08 pm

    Hoost vs Sapp is a great shout although I do think Sapp's size was a big factor in those wins. Personally I can't think of anything bigger than Buster Douglas stopping Mike Tyson that seems like the benchmark for me.


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    Post  Mryzyz on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:09 pm

    GSP v Serra would be up there.

    Rahmann KOing Lewis also springs to mind.

    But Sapp beating Hoost (twice!!??) has to take the cake. How the hell did that ever happen? Mind boggling.
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    Re: Biggest upsets in combat sports

    Post  Sheldan on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:14 pm

    For Combat Sports it surely has to be Buster Douglas beating Tyson, purely because of the odds you could have got on Douglas winning.

    As for MMA, I would probably go for GSP and Serra too. The odds at one point were -1300 for GSP and +850 for Serra, that's insane.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:49 pm

    What were the odds on Gonzaga not only beating Mirko, not only stopping him, but knocking him out with a left high kick!
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    Post  p4pnumber_1 on Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:05 pm

    Tito beating Bader
    Lauzon beating Pulver
    Werdum beating Fedor

    Are all other ones that havn't been mentioned so far, don't think they are on the same par as Serra or Douglas or Sapp though.
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    Re: Biggest upsets in combat sports

    Post  uly on Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:15 pm

    Sokoudjou/Lil Nog, and Mercer/Sylvia too. For womens MMA I think V Hajime beating Yuka Tsuji has got to be the biggest.

    For Boxing Tyson/Douglas was already mentioned. Wasnt Tyson/Douglas like 50-1? That's pretty insane. Ali was also a heavy underdog vs Foreman and Liston, and Leonard vs Hagler, but I think theyre more worthy of note for historic value rather than just upsetting the odds.

    Hunt winning the K1GP was pretty remarkable
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:29 pm

    The_Axe_Emperor wrote:What were the odds on Gonzaga not only beating Mirko, not only stopping him, but knocking him out with a left high kick!

    Dunno, but considering he knocked him out with a right high kick, you'd have lost your money.
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    Post  p4pnumber_1 on Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:34 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    The_Axe_Emperor wrote:What were the odds on Gonzaga not only beating Mirko, not only stopping him, but knocking him out with a left high kick!

    Dunno, but considering he knocked him out with a right high kick, you'd have lost your money.

    lol!
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:03 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    The_Axe_Emperor wrote:What were the odds on Gonzaga not only beating Mirko, not only stopping him, but knocking him out with a left high kick!

    Dunno, but considering he knocked him out with a right high kick, you'd have lost your money.

    Shit, so he did haha! I've always thought it was a left. My bad!

    Still high kick KO, was pretty unexpected.

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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:08 pm

    Completely unexpected. I didn't think Gonzaga would even be capable of throwing a head kick.
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    Re: Biggest upsets in combat sports

    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:54 pm

    It's between GSP vs Serra and Hoost vs Sapp. Even as a GSP fanboy I think Sapp beating Hoost is more a shock. Serra is a good fighter, Bob Sapp is arguably the biggest joke in the history of sports. To beat one of the all time greats TWICE is really just quite unbelievable, in fact I'm not certain Hoost didn't take a fall.

    Anyone seen this?

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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:02 pm

    When Serra beat GSP, GSP was still seen as a young exciting fighter. He wasn't rated close to the greats, so whilst it was a shock, don't think it was Hoost-Sapp level.

    Douglas VS Tyson obviously a huge shock, the odds on that fight were insane.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:23 pm

    p4pnumber_1 wrote:Tito beating Bader
    Lauzon beating Pulver
    Werdum beating Fedor

    Are all other ones that havn't been mentioned so far, don't think they are on the same par as Serra or Douglas or Sapp though.

    While it was a shock at the time, when you consider Pulver has gone 4-10 since that loss it's really not that much of a shock. Certainly not big enough to be rated among the biggest ever.

    Werdum beating Fedor was a huge shock though, that could be considered up there. Same with Bigfoot beating Fedor.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:28 pm

    Seth Petruzelli vs Kimbo, by far.

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    Post  kavik2 on Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:23 pm

    Not the biggest shock but one of my favourite fighters of the time

    Carl Thompson beating David Haye, not many so called experts predicted that one.

    James Braddock vs Baer?

    I have only watched the early Pride events at a later date, but how a big a shock was Sakuraba vs Royce Gracie?? or was it not that big a surprise at the time?
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    Post  uly on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:02 pm

    people keep bringing up Sapp-Hoost but you have to remember thant Sapp wasn't close to a joke in 2002. He wasn't tapping to strikes and had just nearly killed Nogueira in MMA a few months earlier
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:40 pm

    Ernesto Hoost is the greatest kickboxer of all time. Sapp had had two fights and was 1-1 going into it. Hoost was expected to destroy him.
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    Post  uly on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:25 pm

    still, people keep saying he's a joke etc. Just pointing out that in 2002 he wasn't. Funny though that Hoost won the K1GP despite losing to Sapp in that tourney
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:37 pm

    Hoost = Much better than Mike Tyson
    Sapp = Much worse than Buster Douglas

    MMA's biggest upset for me was Hunt beating Wanderlei. This was a 1-1 fat man going in there with the top Lhw and a top 3 p4p fighter then.

    Wand was on a 18 fight spree, Beating Mezger, Saku x3, Hendo, Tamura, Rampage and if not for an the rules specifing no finish nobody wins would have beat Crocop insted of drawing. Now beat in Mind that Crocop has kicked the shit out of Hunt only 2 years before he fought Wanderlei.... so you would imagine if he can beat Crocop in a fight tailored to Crocops stillset he should hammer the 1-1 Rookie hunt in a straight up MMA fight?

    Seemed to most that it would be a walk in the park for Wandy. For me that was a bigger upset than anything we have seen in MMA so far. Serra was ranked when he beat GSP, Werdum was ranked when he beat Fedor. Hunt wasnt really on the map at all when he fought Wanderlei who was on top of the Lhw devision when it was full of superstars in their prime.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:55 pm

    I know what you're saying Ben but I think you also have to consider Wandi is a natural MW and Hunt is a SHW. It was also a close Split decision if memory serves me correctly.

    Sapp beating Hoost is like Andy Wang beating BJ Penn and he did it twice. We are talking about the greatest kick boxer of all time against a guy who has a losing record in kickboxing, is 11-11 in MMA, cries in fights and taps to strikes and take downs regularly. Before beating Hoost he was 1-1 in kick boxing and 2-1 in MMA with his wins coming over a WW and a guy who has a 14-23 record. Biggest upset ever in anything.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:48 pm

    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

    Sapp beating Hoost is like Andy Wang beating BJ Penn

    How dare you mock Andy Wang!?! He's a warrior!

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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:58 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:

    Sapp beating Hoost is like Andy Wang beating BJ Penn

    How dare you mock Andy Wang!?! He's a warrior!


    I'll never tire of watching that video, best thing to come out of TUF!
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:58 pm

    The last 5 seconds of it make me laugh every time with BJ's mocking after Wang's "they see a warrior" statement.

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