efils_god wrote:He yguys, been snowed in all weekend, and desperate to watch the fights back. Anyone got a decent site to see them at?
cheers
http://fightnext.com/ that should do the job mate.
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efils_god wrote:He yguys, been snowed in all weekend, and desperate to watch the fights back. Anyone got a decent site to see them at?
cheers
The_Axe_Emperor wrote:Personally I think the backlash from both this and the Sonnen- Bisping fight have a lot to do with the fan bases of the respective fighters.
Had Bisping put on that performance and came that close to winning against any other top contender he would've garnered a lot of praise IMO, but as it was against everyone's favourite Chael Sonnen wasn't the case. Same with Condit, had he put on that performance against a contender like Fitch or someone with a lesser fan base to Diaz, people would be raving about him and rightfully so.
sunthunder wrote:49-46 Condit and fairly clear at that.
I don't see why a rematch would be any different. Diaz doesn't have the versatility to change his game. The only thing he could have done was back off and make Condit come after him, but even when they were in the middle of the cage Condit won the exchanges.
Sheldan wrote:p4pnumber_1 wrote:This what your talking about Ben? Seems a lot of the pro fighters had Diaz winning.
I could just probably find the same amount of pro's who thought Condit won.
payneNglory1 wrote:I understand the feeling of being let down,I was looking forward to seeing Diaz,watching Diaz in full fight mode is a thing of beauty and watching Carlos brutally knock so many people out in the past,this was set up as a war,but these are Pro's (well one of them definitely is)not backyard brawlers and just like many greats in boxing have made a succesful career with,Condit came in with a solid gameplan and used movement and selective striking to out smart and win himself a title,while diaz had no plan going in,except hoping his opponent would stand in front of him and trade,not only that but he also didn't have the know how to change and adapt his style as the fight went on.
Condit out landed Diaz with power shots to the head and legs,so this,he won by running and little leg kicks is a load of crap.
Condit landed 25% more power shots to the head in that fight than Diaz,aswell as landing 60 odd more leg shots than Diaz,and the clean shots Condit landed were to a planted fighter moving forward,were as diaz's were not as clean,as condit was either backing off or circling out.
Plus Condit is known for having one punch knock out,where as Diaz isn't,he relys on landing his big combos and breaking people down to get the stoppage,something Condit smartly never let him do.
Simply IMO,Diaz was out worked and out smarted and the only round Diaz won was round 2 for me.
Anfields5thKing wrote:Sheldan wrote:p4pnumber_1 wrote:This what your talking about Ben? Seems a lot of the pro fighters had Diaz winning.
I could just probably find the same amount of pro's who thought Condit won.
No you couldn't. You found a handle of fighterss, including a couple of Jackson fighters, and some of the worst journaonly listed a fraction of the fighters that tweeted that they thought Diaz won.lists in MMA. p4p
Anfields5thKing wrote:payneNglory1 wrote:I understand the feeling of being let down,I was looking forward to seeing Diaz,watching Diaz in full fight mode is a thing of beauty and watching Carlos brutally knock so many people out in the past,this was set up as a war,but these are Pro's (well one of them definitely is)not backyard brawlers and just like many greats in boxing have made a succesful career with,Condit came in with a solid gameplan and used movement and selective striking to out smart and win himself a title,while diaz had no plan going in,except hoping his opponent would stand in front of him and trade,not only that but he also didn't have the know how to change and adapt his style as the fight went on.
Condit out landed Diaz with power shots to the head and legs,so this,he won by running and little leg kicks is a load of crap.
Condit landed 25% more power shots to the head in that fight than Diaz,aswell as landing 60 odd more leg shots than Diaz,and the clean shots Condit landed were to a planted fighter moving forward,were as diaz's were not as clean,as condit was either backing off or circling out.
Plus Condit is known for having one punch knock out,where as Diaz isn't,he relys on landing his big combos and breaking people down to get the stoppage,something Condit smartly never let him do.
Simply IMO,Diaz was out worked and out smarted and the only round Diaz won was round 2 for me.
He did not outland him in power shots. He outlanded him in significant strikes. Significant strikes are anything that aren't jabs. Doesn't matter how much power they have in them.
payneNglory1 wrote:Anfields5thKing wrote:payneNglory1 wrote:I understand the feeling of being let down,I was looking forward to seeing Diaz,watching Diaz in full fight mode is a thing of beauty and watching Carlos brutally knock so many people out in the past,this was set up as a war,but these are Pro's (well one of them definitely is)not backyard brawlers and just like many greats in boxing have made a succesful career with,Condit came in with a solid gameplan and used movement and selective striking to out smart and win himself a title,while diaz had no plan going in,except hoping his opponent would stand in front of him and trade,not only that but he also didn't have the know how to change and adapt his style as the fight went on.
Condit out landed Diaz with power shots to the head and legs,so this,he won by running and little leg kicks is a load of crap.
Condit landed 25% more power shots to the head in that fight than Diaz,aswell as landing 60 odd more leg shots than Diaz,and the clean shots Condit landed were to a planted fighter moving forward,were as diaz's were not as clean,as condit was either backing off or circling out.
Plus Condit is known for having one punch knock out,where as Diaz isn't,he relys on landing his big combos and breaking people down to get the stoppage,something Condit smartly never let him do.
Simply IMO,Diaz was out worked and out smarted and the only round Diaz won was round 2 for me.
He did not outland him in power shots. He outlanded him in significant strikes. Significant strikes are anything that aren't jabs. Doesn't matter how much power they have in them.
Fair enough,but I bet you can't find 4 shots that Diaz landed on Condit that were better than these.
payneNglory1 wrote:all I'm saying is i don't think anyone will be able to find gifs or videos showing diaz landing more,better,cleaner shots on condit,because it just didn't happen IMO.
Yet people are trying to make out that even though Condit landed more shots,Diaz landed the more meaningful ones and because he was moving forward,that was enough for him to win the fight.
He didn't and that shouldn't.
Octagon control is a messed up scoring criteria,we've all mentioned that in the past,so maybe it could be argued in Diaz's favour,but I personally think he lost on that as well,but like I say,this is depending on peoples understanding of that flimsy scoring criteria.
Surely a stronger case can be made,that Condit was the one who should take Octagon controll as he was the one dictating where and when the exchanges happened,he used the Octagon to his advantage,by using the space inside it,where as diaz just moved forward and had absolutely no control on the fight,he couldn't trap or cut off any angles to stop Condit moving in and out of the spaces he wanted.
Anfields5thKing wrote:Sheldan wrote:p4pnumber_1 wrote:This what your talking about Ben? Seems a lot of the pro fighters had Diaz winning.
I could just probably find the same amount of pro's who thought Condit won.
No you couldn't. You found a handle of fighterss, including a couple of Jackson fighters, and some of the worst journalists in MMA. p4p only listed a fraction of the fighters that tweeted that they thought Diaz won.
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sunthunder wrote:Anfields5thKing wrote:Sheldan wrote:p4pnumber_1 wrote:This what your talking about Ben? Seems a lot of the pro fighters had Diaz winning.
I could just probably find the same amount of pro's who thought Condit won.
No you couldn't. You found a handle of fighterss, including a couple of Jackson fighters, and some of the worst journaonly listed a fraction of the fighters that tweeted that they thought Diaz won.lists in MMA. p4p
Got a link to any others? I've not seen any.
Plus basically all MMA pbp sites had it for Condit.
50-45 Condit
UFC 143 Play-by-Play: Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit | MMAWeekly.com
49-46 Condit
UFC 143 play by play and live results | MMAjunkie.com
49-46 Condit
UFC 143 Results and Live Play-by-Play for "Diaz vs. Condit" - MMAFrenzy.com
49-46 Condit
UFC 143 results and LIVE fight coverage for 'Diaz vs Condit' on Feb. 4 in Las Vegas - MMAmania.com
48-47 Condit
UFC 143 Live Play-By-Play - MMA Fighting
49-46 Condit
UFC 143: Diaz Vs. Condit - Live Results And Play-By-Play For PPV Main Card - Bloody Elbow
48-47 Condit x2, 48-47 Diaz
UFC 143: ‘Diaz vs. Condit’ Results and Play-by-Play - Sherdog
payneNglory1 wrote:all I'm saying is i don't think anyone will be able to find gifs or videos showing diaz landing more,better,cleaner shots on condit,because it just didn't happen IMO.
Yet people are trying to make out that even though Condit landed more shots,Diaz landed the more meaningful ones and because he was moving forward,that was enough for him to win the fight.
He didn't and that shouldn't.
Octagon control is a messed up scoring criteria,we've all mentioned that in the past,so maybe it could be argued in Diaz's favour,but I personally think he lost on that as well,but like I say,this is depending on peoples understanding of that flimsy scoring criteria.
Surely a stronger case can be made,that Condit was the one who should take Octagon controll as he was the one dictating where and when the exchanges happened,he used the Octagon to his advantage,by using the space inside it,where as diaz just moved forward and had absolutely no control on the fight,he couldn't trap or cut off any angles to stop Condit moving in and out of the spaces he wanted.
payneNglory1 wrote:Here to show no bias,here's shit loads of Gifs from all 5 rounds of the fight.
And these are mainly all the signifcant shots and not all of Carlos's leg kicks.
Sheldan wrote:Apparently the reason the fight isn't happening at the moment is that Diaz wants better terms, now this is just rumours but if it is true than this guy is unbelievable. He's on one of the highest base contracts in the UFC with him getting $200,000 just for showing up to fight, he gets offered a rematch with Carlos Condit which many people may argue wasn't deserved, and now he is apparently demanding better terms!
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