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    Worst MMA news of the year, Strikeforce stays open!!

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:40 pm

    Werdum, Melendez etc.. seemed Set to move over to UFC but it turns out Zuffa have had other Ideas and Strikeforce is staying open.

    http://mmajunkie.com/news/26507/following-new-showtime-deal-strikeforce-fighters-are-staying-in-strikeforce.mma

    Well a Massive Fuck you to Zuffa and everyone envolved in this decision. Its a pretty big slap in the face to MMA fans.

    Keeping SF as a B league im cool with but keeping guys like Melendez who are argueabally the best in their devision seperate from all the other good Lw's makes no sence.

    Keeping the Hw devision alive with Fedor and Overeem gone seems a little pointless. 3 of the Champs already dropped their belts and left, what the fuck are Zuffa thinking. Its a seriously big step backwards to further sperate the good fighters in MMA and make sure they cant fight each other.

    Worst MMA news all year. SF's roster is shite, dont want to cover old ground but whats the point in keeping a handfull of top ranked fighters being fed a stream of piss poor oposition. I dont get it.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:25 pm

    I think Melendez will move over regardless of what they say, and I think Mo and Mousasi and a couple of others will as well. The UFC fighters who aren't really UFC standard will go to Strikeforce.

    It's a good move by Zuffa if they do it right.
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    Post  Cowboys From Hell on Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:28 pm

    Well they do need star names Ben and I imagine they will eventually bring some fighters probably like Overeem with a fantasy firing from Strikforce then snapped by the UFC.

    Talking of Strikeforce anyone know If this weekends card is being carried by anyone ?
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:51 pm

    Melendez recently said he's a fight or two away from moving. Don't worry this won't stop the top fighters from Strikeforce to the UFC. Melendez, Rockhold ect will all move soon.

    I actually really like the idea of them using SF as a B-league. It might be good for a fighter like Stefan Struve for example, a guy who is good enough for the UFC but still needs time to develop his skills and doesn't want to suffer any more brutal KOs at such a young age. If they play it right it could be very good.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:28 am

    Struve and Travis Browne are exactly the type of guys that should go to Strikeforce.

    I think everyone who's not Top 15 in each division in the UFC should go to Strikeforce.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:47 am

    I hope the good fighters come to UFC, a b league would be good I just don't want guys like Gil stuck there fighting bum of the month. After hoping to see Gil vs Edgar, Mir vs Barnett etc.. I just really hope they don't keep top guys over there to keep it as a strong brand or whatever. Were all hopefull it becomes an official b league I reckon but let's hope Danas announcement isn't anything else! Laughing
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:47 am

    Anfields5thKing wrote:Struve and Travis Browne are exactly the type of guys that should go to Strikeforce.

    I think everyone who's not Top 15 in each division in the UFC should go to Strikeforce.

    Top 15 might leave the UFC a little thin with the number of cards there putting these days. I think top 20 in the UFC and everyone else in Strikeforce. Also all the TUF alums can go straight to SF aside from the winner so we don't have card after card filled with them in the UFC.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:10 am

    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:Struve and Travis Browne are exactly the type of guys that should go to Strikeforce.

    I think everyone who's not Top 15 in each division in the UFC should go to Strikeforce.

    Top 15 might leave the UFC a little thin with the number of cards there putting these days. I think top 20 in the UFC and everyone else in Strikeforce. Also all the TUF alums can go straight to SF aside from the winner so we don't have card after card filled with them in the UFC.

    Yeah lads thats the perfect way to do things. Id actually look forward to SF if it was used as a B league and admitted what it is. Its really good to see Werdum moving over because it suggests Dana is talking Shit about the good SF fighters staying put.

    Thank fuck for that! Laughing
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    Post  redmeanie77 on Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:27 pm












    The only reason they are keeping SF around, is to stop/delay Bellator getting a bigger foothold in MMA market. UFC know no matter how much they try its very difficult to get all the top talent in 1 brand, as new talent emerges all the time and current talent always find a reason to leave aswell.


    If SF went bust, Bellator with the resources at their disposal would have just kept picking up talent ala SF when Aflliction folded.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:20 pm

    rudeboyben84 wrote:
    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:Struve and Travis Browne are exactly the type of guys that should go to Strikeforce.

    I think everyone who's not Top 15 in each division in the UFC should go to Strikeforce.

    Top 15 might leave the UFC a little thin with the number of cards there putting these days. I think top 20 in the UFC and everyone else in Strikeforce. Also all the TUF alums can go straight to SF aside from the winner so we don't have card after card filled with them in the UFC.

    Yeah lads thats the perfect way to do things. Id actually look forward to SF if it was used as a B league and admitted what it is. Its really good to see Werdum moving over because it suggests Dana is talking Shit about the good SF fighters staying put.

    Thank fuck for that! Laughing

    So has that calmed you down Laughing
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:35 pm

    Yeah mate sorta confirmed what you all though that regardless of what Dana White said SF's good fighters will come to UFC...

    Shows I shouldnt ever listen to the shit that comes out of his mouth! Laughing

    Was he out of contract with SF anyone know? I reckon thats the most likely reason he is moved over....

    Who next I wonder?

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    Post  quicksuperlee on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:51 am

    did anyone notice that melendez and mistival is on eurosport this weekend..not live but at least its on!!
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:31 am

    Starting in 2012, UFC parent company Zuffa and Showtime Networks are wiping the slate virtually clean and rebranding a promotion that was until recently thought to be dying.

    The companies today announced a new broadcast partnership they hope will not only revive Strikeforce in the coming year but bring it to parity with the UFC as the industry-leader continues to beef up its 2012 schedule.

    "This thing is dialed in perfectly now for success," UFC president Dana White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "When we had the Challengers series and all these other fights that had to be done, the thing was set up to fail."

    Much of the negativity that surrounded Strikeforce in the months leading up to the new deal was in relation to White's enmity toward the former head honcho at Showtime's fight operations, Ken Hershman.

    While White expressed a desire to keep the promotion alive, it seemed doubtful that the two could agree to work together in the event they renewed a previous broadcast deal stretching into 2014. And with the exodus of several Strikeforce champions to the UFC, many fans thought the promotion to be a car being stripped for parts. An event in September featuring the semifinals of Strikeforce's heavyweight grand prix drew was a commercial disappointment, and many fighters expressed a desire to leave for octagon pastures.

    But when Hershman left the network to take a similar role at HBO, the tide turned. Stephen Espinoza, a former attorney at boxing promotion Golden Boy Promotions, took the reigns of day-to-day operations at Showtime. White admitted a meeting shortly thereafter with the new executive and his Showtime staff likely saved the broadcast partnership.

    "Obviously, it didn't go well when it was (under the old regime)," White said. "It probably wouldn't have (continued). But listen, let's just cut the [expletive]. Me and Ken Hershman aren't fans of each other. He's not a fan of mine, I'm not a fan of his. He's not there any more, I flew out there, I liked these guys – we did a deal. Period. End of story."

    During today's announcement, executives from Zuffa, Strikeforce and Showtime detailed the new partnership and what it entails for the former kickboxing promotion's future, which currently is set for between six and eight events on the premium cable channel (as well as on Super Channel in Canada).

    New year, new look

    Espinoza said a four-hour block of time will be allocated to Strikeforce events in 2012, which includes preliminary card fights broadcast on Showtime Extreme and main-card fights broadcast on the flagship channel.

    "We thought it made more sense for the consistency of the production ... that we do it all and make it one huge night of programming," he said.

    It's undecided whether what next year's events will be called. Previously, the promotion divided events into two categories, that of major events and up-and-comer shows known as the "Challengers" series.

    What will stay the same is the broadcast team. Commentators Gus Johnson, Mauro Renallo, Stephen Quadros and Pat Miletich will call the fights in various combinations as the year progresses.

    White said that while he didn't dislike the look of the show in the nine months since his company acquired Strikeforce, he planned to be involved in the production moving forward.

    "I'm comfortable with what they're doing, but I am involved," he said. "(Showtime executive) Dave Dinkins and I are going to sit down here in Las Vegas and we're going to walk through some things and make some changes and do some fun stuff.

    "This isn't an ego competition. It's two guys who are passionate about what they do wanting to make the show the best it could possibly be.

    The possibility of pay-per-view, long a goal of Strikeforce's previous incarnation, has not been squashed, though it appears unlikely any time soon.

    "I would never say never to pay-per-view, but we did this deal with Showtime to put the fights on Showtime," White said. "Who knows? There could be an opportunity where us and Showtime think we could do a pay-per-view and a fight should be a pay-per-view. Maybe we would. I'm not saying we would or we wouldn't."

    Additionally, White said he expects "Fight Night" bonuses seen in the UFC will make their way to Strikeforce.

    Cutting weight

    In an effort to streamline the promotion's focus, the heavyweight division will be disbanded.

    "You guys have heard me say this for years: Heavyweight divisions aren't deep enough to create this huge division," White said. "So we're going to focus on the weight divisions that are strong."

    Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker said the finals of the heavyweight grand prix will take place in late first quarter of next year, likely March, and the winner of that fight will be paired with another top heavyweight for one last big-man bout on Showtime. A timetable for that fight has not been established.

    Although details on the status of the final bout are unclear, all signs point to the bout as a non-title affair. White doesn't know where the promotion's displaced heavyweights will end up.

    "Showtime wanted to have their grand prix finish, then have the grand prix winner fight one more time," White said. "I think they're looking at it that they made this investment in the heavyweight tournament, and they wanted to have another heavyweight fight before the division went away."

    The remainder of Strikeforce divisions will continue to operate as usual, including the women's bantamweight and featherweight classes. While the promotion's event schedule has been effectively halved from its previous two years on Showtime, White said the fighter rosters will not contract.

    "Not only will we be able to keep the roster, we'll be able to sign more guys," he said.

    And while that's imperative task for the women's featherweight division in which champ Cristiane 'Cyborg' Santos, who this weekend fights Hiroko Yamanaka at "Strikeforce: Meldendez vs. Masvidal," has been virtually unchallenged, she won't be going anywhere.

    "She's a huge star, she's the champion, we're going to keep that division," White said. "People are excited to see her fight, so we're going to keep it."

    Crossovers

    With several Strikeforce champions having crossed over into the UFC, many fans and observers have wondered about that possibility for those top-ranked fighters who haven't yet made the trip.

    Chief among them is current lightweight champion Gilbert Melendez, who this Saturday faces Jorge Masvidal in what could be his third title defense. Melendez has expressed a strong desire to fight in the UFC, and White previously has encouraged the possibility.

    However, with the new broadcast deal on the horizon, that prospect seems to have dimmed. White said today that for now, Melendez is staying put.

    "I can tell you this: Gilbert Melendez is pumped to stay in Strikeforce," he said. "He's one of the big stars in Strikeforce. If he wins his next fight and his next fight after that he will continue to defend his belt in Strikeforce, and he's absolutely [expletive] excited about it, just so you know."

    But he also hinted that the line between Strikeforce and UFC could be porous down the line.

    "There could always be a situation where a guy left the UFC, but he's won his last three or four fights, and he gets into Strikeforce, or another guy gets into the UFC," White said. "We're running both companies, and both companies are looking for the same thing: the best fighters in the world."

    B-League or major league rival?

    Perhaps the most important question of all in Strikeforce's future is how to change its perception as a second-tier promotion. All of the executives involved in the announcement stressed that opinions would change in the next year as Strikeforce got out from beneath its cloud of uncertainty.

    White said the promotions had the same goal of recruiting top-tier talent, though it's unclear how exactly that talent will be divided between them.

    "There's nothing wrong with being a feeder league, but that's not what this thing is designed to be," White said. "Watch and see what we do over the next year with Strikeforce, and you watch the talent that's built over there. The definition of feeder league, to me, would be when guys lose, you go back to the minor leagues, meaning you have to go back down to Strikeforce and we bring you back up. When you lose in the UFC, you go somewhere else and you fight. [Strikeforce] is not going to be a feeder league."

    When the events schedule ramps up, he expects the same kind of inter-promotional loyalties to develop between fans and keep both promotions vital.

    "You're going to have the people who fall on either side," White said. "This guy would beat that guy in the UFC. That guy in the UFC would beat this guy in Strikeforce. I mean, I've got these lunatics thinking that these guys in Japan can win fights over here, for Christ's sake."

    White even made the stretch that a Strikeforce fighter could be considered the best in the world. Although cross-promotional battles don't appear to be on the table for now, he expects the fans to create those scenarios in the usual course of fantasy matchmaking.

    "Yeah, it's possible," he said when asked if someone like Melendez could be considered superior to UFC lightweight champ Frankie Edgar. "We're going after the best talent available. There's only one way to find out who's better, and that's to fight."
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:09 pm

    So as a Gloomily predicted Zuffa look like they are heart set of fucking things up and keeping SF not as a Feeder league... great Idea guys, splitting the top tallent is a fantastic Idea.

    Anyway one bit of good news from this whole mess is the Hw's are coming to UFC! Barnett, Cormier, Bigfoot, SDR, Griggs etc.. a handfull of big names which not means that UFC have 14 of the top 15 heavies in their ranks.

    Shit Idea to keep Gil as the face of the promotion, all this shit that Gil is so happy to be there!! I hate how the fans get fed such shit, Theres no way if Gil wins his next fight he will be happy to be stuck in the B leagues and fed bum of the month.

    Really its going to be a promotion with about about 6 ranked fighters in total. Fuck knows how it makes sence to keep those handfull of guys stuck in SF with no one credible to fight.

    As predicted bad bad news that SF is staying open. If its not clearly used as a B league this is a bad thing for MMA, but the Heavies coming over is at least one good thing to take for this.
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    Post  efils_god on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:42 pm

    Agreed Ben, it will only work if Strikeforce becomes essentially 'UFC Challengers', if you get my meaning.

    Sucks for Gil, but if he blasts Masvidal it could all change. There are limited interesting fights available for the Bendo-Edgar winner. Who is upcoming at LW? I suppose they could sell a Bendo-Pettis rematch, but i think Bendo owuld win handily.

    I'm still hopeful that they won't keep the best strikeforce guys back, like Gil, etc. We'll see

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