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    Re: UFC 139 Spoilers (BEST FIGHT OF ALL TIME)

    Post  Mryzyz on Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:21 am

    Although I wouldn't be averse to Shogun-Hendo II, I would love to see Hendo now go and get that title.

    It would be the icing on the cake of an incredible career. He is the most deserving contender no question.
    Hashads contendership status has worn off completely by now.

    Shogun should fight Quinton next. Or Jones after he loses to Machida...
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:00 pm

    Bonnar and Rampage are both asking to fight each other.
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    Post  redmeanie77 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:11 pm
















    If Hendo wants to stay at 205lb, then there is only Rashad or Shogun rematch for him.
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    Post  redmeanie77 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:17 pm















    Best case scenario, Bones defends against Hendo and Hashad fights Phil Davis in same card of March next year.
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:32 pm

    It may sound cliche, but Dan Henderson and Mauricio “Shogun” Rua left it all in the arena at UFC 139 on Saturday. By the time their five-round classic inside the HP Pavilion in San Jose, Calif., had concluded, neither man had the energy to answer questions at a post-fight press conference. Instead, both fighters were ushered to the hospital to receive treatment for the exhaustion and ailments that only 25 minutes of all-out exertion in the Octagon could warrant.

    It was the type of bout in which Mike Goldberg’s statement proclaiming “this is the greatest bout in UFC history” wasn’t so easily dismissed as the analyst’s usual bit of hyperbole. If you watched it live, you made sure to text or call those who didn’t. If you weren’t able to catch the historic bout as it happened, you’re damn sure thinking about ordering the encore.

    When a fight features as much memorable ebb and flow as the clash between “Hendo” and “Shogun” did, sometimes important details get swept aside so as not to tarnish the moment; details such as scoring and when to properly apply a 10-8 tally in a round of dominance. In reality, the first-ever meeting between the two former Pride Fighting Championships competitors should have been a draw. There is plenty of time to debate where the bout ranks in the annals of the UFC and mixed martial arts. It’s possible that Rua-Henderson might not even have been the best fight from Saturday night: Michael Chandler and Eddie Alvarez staged an epic back-and-forth battle of their own at Bellator 58 in Hollywood, Fla. That’s an argument for another day.

    Instead of discussing whether Henderson should fight for the 185- or 205-pound belt in the near future, we should be considering the merits of a rematch between Henderson, the former Strikeforce light heavyweight champion, and Rua, the former UFC light heavyweight champion.

    “This is one of those tough fights,” UFC President Dana White said at the post-fight press conference. “You give Henderson the first three rounds, you give Shogun four and you give Shogun [a] 10-8 in the last round for a dominant round. It’s a draw; that’s how I scored it, but who the hell am I?”

    He wasn’t alone. Two of Sherdog.com’s three unofficial judges had the bout scored 47-47, as well, as did many other major MMA media outlets. While the UFC president is one of the most powerful men in the sport today, he clearly doesn’t share a like mind with a California State Athletic Commission-appointed judge. All three cageside judges for Henderson-Rua -- Steve Morrow, Susan Thomas-Gitlin and Ralph McKnight -- played it safe, giving the winner of each round a 10-9 mark. It’s hard to fault their decision making when awarding the rounds, because it was clear that the first three rounds belonged to Henderson, while Rua finished strong in the fourth and fifth.

    However, the criteria for awarding a 10-8 round must come into question. According to MMA’s unified rules, “a round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.”

    By now, serious fans of the sport can recite that criteria by heart, but how easy is it for judges to apply such a vague standard to a fight? After all, it’s difficult enough to differentiate between a 10-8 round and a 10-7 round that asks for a competitor to “totally dominate.” The difference between the words “totally” and “overwhelmingly” seems minimal at best. What was clear is that Rua controlled round five in a way that no other round of the closely contested bout was controlled.

    According to FightMetric.com, Shogun outlanded the Team Quest product 26-0 in significant strikes, 79-8 in overall strikes and mounted him five times in the final frame. While overwhelmingly or totally might be in question, dominant was not. Meanwhile, Henderson saw reason for a 10-8 round to be scored in his favor, as well.

    “I knew I had the first three [rounds] won easy,” he said. “I thought I had one of those rounds 10-8.”

    Not quite. Henderson is referring to the third round, when one of the Californian’s trademark right hands sent Rua tumbling to the canvas. As Hendo followed up with punches on the ground, the situation appeared dire for the Brazilian. Rua somehow recovered, gathered his wits and got the better of Henderson in the second half of the round. Henderson’s knockdown was likely the most damaging punch of the entire fight, but he didn’t control the round. The former two-division Pride champion only connected with four more significant shots than his opponent, while Rua landed the only takedown and attempted the only submission of the period. In trying to finish the fight, Henderson punched himself out and didn’t end with the flourish that would seem to be required of a 10-8 round.

    Before the final round began, Henderson’s corner urged him to clinch and avoid exchanges with Rua. That plan didn’t come to fruition, and the Greco-Roman specialist spent the majority of the stanza on his back in full-blown survival mode. In an alternate universe where fights go longer than five rounds, Hendo would have been done.

    So why wasn’t Rua given his due for the fifth round? Athletic commissions offer no clear-cut way to determine what truly constitutes dominance in an MMA round, so the risk outweighs the reward for those filling out the scorecards. Anyone awarding a 10-8 round is almost always subjected to instant scrutiny. Ironically, there was one judge who threw caution to the wind at UFC 139. In a bout that didn’t necessarily need it, Jackie Denkin awarded two 10-8 rounds to Stephan Bonnar in his unanimous decision triumph over Kyle Kingsbury. Whether correct or not, at least Denkin wasn’t afraid to be bold.

    Talk may center on Henderson getting a title shot at a yet-to-be determined weight class, but middleweight champion Anderson Silva will be on the shelf for a while, and, tough as he is, nothing about Henderson’s performance against Rua suggests he’s ready to topple Jon Jones at light heavyweight. To Rua’s credit, he didn’t lobby for a rematch or complain about the scoring after the fight. Perhaps he was too drained to do so.

    “I’ll come back stronger next time,” he said. “I’m sorry.”

    In making up one half of one of the most exciting bouts in recent memory, Rua has nothing to be sorry about. His next time in the cage should be against Henderson, too.

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Viewpoint-Shogun-Deserved-10-8-Fifth-37383


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    Post  Cowboys From Hell on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:39 pm

    On fights post 139 I like the idea of Weidman vs Wand .
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    Post  payneNglory1 on Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:10 pm

    Shoguns calling for a rematch cheers

    The fight between Dan Henderson and Mauricio Rua at UFC 139 came to be compared with the third fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier President Dana White. Nobody discussed the quality of the show, but the result in favor of the U.S. created controversy. The Brazilian avoided challenging the decision, but called for revenge.

    "It certainly was a great fight. I do not know how the judges made the final round of counting, could or should have been 10-8 to me. But that takes nothing away from Dan Henderson. He is a legend and one of those fighters who have created a legacy. But I want revenge, I think it would be another great battle and the public wants to see ", said Shogun after the defeat.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:17 pm

    Magnificent fight, probably the best I've ever seen. They left absolutely everything out there and showed why they are two of the greatest of all time. I think Shogun won the last round 10-8 tbh but I really have no complaints about the end result, I think Hendo edged it. I would ofc love to see a rematch because I do think there is some unfinished business but for now I'd love to see Hendo try and go for the LHW title. Rampage is a huge step down, there is no point in fighting him at this stage aside from avenging an old loss. Rampage should fight Bonnar or Griffin, possibly Shogun. Hendo deserves the shot more than anyone else so he should fight the winner of Jones vs Machida. I really would love to see a rematch though.

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    Post  efils_god on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:00 am

    That is an epic photo! Sums up the sport nicely Smile
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    Post  payneNglory1 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:59 pm

    UFC 139 payroll

    Prelim Card:

    Danny Castillo: $35,600 (includes $17,000 win bonus)
    def. Shamar Bailey: $8,000*

    Seth Baczynski: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus)
    def. Matt Brown: $12,000

    Miguel Torres: $60,800 (includes $30,000 win bonus)
    def. Nick Pace: $4,000*

    Gleison Tibau: $54,000 (includes $27,000 win bonus)
    def. Rafael Dos Anjos: $16,000

    Chris Weidman: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus)
    Def. Tom Lawlor: $12,000

    Michael McDonald: $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus)
    def. Alex Soto: $6,000

    Ryan Bader: $48,000 (includes $24,000 win bonus)
    def. Jason Brilz: $13,000

    Main Card:

    Stephan Bonnar: $68,000 (includes $34,000 win bonus)
    def. Kyle Kingsbury: $10,000

    Martin Kampmann: $58,000 (includes $29,000 win bonus)
    def. Rick Story: $19,000

    Urijah Faber: $64,000 (includes $32,000 win bonus)
    def. Brian Bowles: $19,000

    Wanderlei Silva: $200,000 (no win bonus)
    def. Cung Le: $350,000

    Dan Henderson: $250,000 (no win bonus)
    def. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua: $165,000

    * – Bailey and Pace were each fined 20% of their show purse for missing weight, Bailey in the amount of $1,600 and Pace $800. The money went to their opponents
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:51 pm

    Cung Le on more money than Dan Henderson?? Jesus christ.

    I hope Hendo and Shogun got properly bonused for their fight, and I don't mean that FOTN shit.
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    Post  Sheldan on Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:12 am

    These released figures don't really mean much, Lesnar is only contracted to £500,000 per fight but apparently including every other payment he got for his fight with Velasquez he got close to £1.5 million.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:58 pm

    Yeah but that did over a million PPV's and Brock gets a share of those. I don't know if Hendo or Shogun do and even if they do, that event is unlikely to do 500,000. If Brock deserves 1.5million for having his ass handed to him and pussying out of the fight, Hendo and Shogun deserve 5million each for the war they put on!
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:17 am

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