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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  sunthunder on Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:52 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
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    Anfields5thKing wrote:The last three strikes missed. Clearly. You've never seen anyone get punched in the face close up if you think they landed.

    Sonnen would destroy anyone at 170. It would be a massacre. Hendo would knock them all clean out.GSP ran away from Shields guard. He knocked him down, thought about following him to the ground, shit his pants and ran away.

    Nothing in your post was fact.

    And yes, Fedor's list is FAR more impressive and against FAR tougher opposition than GSPs. 6 wins against former world champions, 7 if you include CroCop - a win that easily top anything GSP has done. 9 if you want to include the two K1 champs he's beaten. 10 if you include Arona's Rings title. His unbeaten run is the greatest in the history of the sport. GSP's list doesn't come close. Just as he doesn't come close.

    Don't see either of those things happening. Henderson has a history of being taken down and controlled by far inferior wrestlers than those populating the welterweight division.

    How much of Chael Sonnen's success comes from being a better wrestler than his contemporaries? How many great wrestlers has he actually beaten? Okami? Miller? Prangley?

    How would he fare against a Koscheck? GSP? Fitch? Shields? Any wrestling advantage Sonnen enjoys at middleweight would be be drastically reduced at welterweight, and that's not even taking into account how much more generally skilled the welterweight division has been in comparrison to 185.

    The only fighters at 170 with wrestling ability that comes close to Sonnen are Koscheck and Askren, and he's a better fighter than both. He has better striking and better head movement than either and his chin is one of the best in the sport.

    Henderson has a history of being taken down by people bigger than him. He also has a history of knocking people out. Hendo was destroying Shields until his back went and he gassed. And inferior wrestlers to those populating the WW division? Such as???

    Koscheck and Askren on paper. I wouldn't be shocked if practically speaking, Fitch, Shields, GSP, Prime Hughes all held their own against Sonnen. Plus Sonnen has far worse submission defense than any of them. There's no basis for saying Sonnen would run through welterweight when he fights in a division so empty of great wrestlers.

    Henderson taken down by people bigger than him? Like Carlos Newton? Ninja? Bustamante? Yuki Kondo? Misaki? Akira Shoji? Shields? All took down Henderson and held him down for lengths of time in their fights. All are natural welterweights/at best average sized middleweights, and none of those guys have wrestling as good as the top welterweight wrestlers.

    The revisionist history of Hendersons career is pretty funny. Before 2007 he was basically seen as a wildly inconsistant fighter. Looked great knocking out Japanese welterweights but extremely lucky to get the nod in a lot of his big wins. He'd struggle if he were a welterweight.
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:04 pm

    Cowboys From Hell wrote:I thought this was a thread about Hioki in the UFC. Laughing

    That's the funny thing, me and Anfield can turn any topic into a Fedor vs GSP debate Laughing
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:35 am

    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:
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    ChelseaQuinsfan wrote:Look at those pics again, you can actually see GSP's hands touching Alves's face!

    Sonnen would destroy anyone at 170, is that a joke? The overrating of this guy since the Silva fight has become laughable. The man could barely last a round against ol'Jeremy Horn and was finished 3 times by him!

    Hendo would get beaten by the majority of the top WWs.

    GSP knocked him down and hesitated with the follow up, a wise move considering that was Shields only chance of winning. Only a dumb ass would have jumped into Shields guard at the that point.

    Nearly everything I stated was fact. About Silva not finishing opponents, GSP's opponents ect.

    GSP's level of wins is far better. Not only has he beaten more top 10 fighters in a better division as well, he's also beaten more top P4P fighters as well. K-1 titles mean nothing in MMA, Cro Cop never held a belt, and we all know what happened against Arona. GSP's list of wins is far and a away the more impressive list.


    First of the final 3 is a right hand that misses, Alves blocked it.
    Second is a left hook that clearly misses Alves.
    The Final picture looks like he is attempt to penetrate Alves. No strike being thrown.

    I know you don't watch MMA but you should go back and watch the three Sonnen-Horn fights. Sonnen was easily winning them all. He made two mistakes and got caught in submissions by one of the best submission artists in the sport. Barely last a round?? What are you talking about?? The last of those fights was 5 years ago. No bearing on Sonnen today.

    Hendo would walk through most WWs and beat the rest.

    He knocked him down, got scared and ran from confrontation. Usual GSP tactic.

    Nothing you said was fact, just your usual bullshit.

    We do know what happened, it was a close fight between two young fighters that Fedor won. Very simple. CroCop won the Pride OpenWeight GrandPrix and in doing so, won himself a belt.
    K1 titles mean nothing? Except for the fact they prove you are a truly top class striker. Schilt might be the best K1 fighter ever. And K1 and MMA have a lot of similarities. Of course, since you watch neither, you wouldn't know that.

    What P4P fighters has GSP beaten?? Shields and ???. His cheating against BJ doesn't count as a win. If he wasn't the Golden Boy, he'd have been disqualified. Fedor beat Nog - twice, and CroCop. Both of whom have been in the top 5 P4P in their careers. GSP has no top 5 p4p wins. Less wins against top talent, nothing close to the win streak. Oh, and nothing close to the amount of finishes. GSP has NINE decisions in his 22 wins, Fedor has only 7 in his 31. 3 years, and 6 fights since he finished anyone. And 90% of Fedor's fights were against bigger opponents. GSP is nearly always bigger than his opponent. GSP is also a proven cheat. Fedor's record is better, his list of wins is better, his legacy is far more impressive, and P4P he's simply a much better fighter.

    Oh ok I get it, your just delusional.

    SOnnen got owned by Horn 3 times, finished all 3 times and couldn't even get out of the first round twice.

    Hendo would get beaten very easily by the top WWs, would barely be competitive.

    Only morons jump into black belts gaurds.

    Everything I stated was an actual fact, but since your ANfield, Fact doesn't apply.

    Actually it was very clear to nearly everyone that Arona won that fight, but RINGS judging is corrupted. Come on grand master Anfield, you of all people should know tournament wins aren't the same as titles. And stop changing my words. K-1 titles mean nothing in MMA. I love K-1 and watch it all the time, but success in K-1 does not mean success in MMA. Have a look at Badr Hari for example. Schilt one of the greatest of all time in K-1 had a pretty average career in MMA.

    GSP has wins over Shields, HUghes 2x, BJ (lets count the first time) and Fitch. Thats more P4P wins than Fedor and he has far more top 10 wins than Fedor ever has. And GSP has fought less as well. More top 10 wins in less fights and certainly more talented opponents. While it's true Fedor has more finishes, thats very easy when your fighting the likes of MArk Hunt, Zulu and Hong Man-Choi. Fedor's best wins are Cro Cop and Big Nog Twice. Couldn't finish them and if he fought that level of competition more he would have a lot more decisions as well. GSP has the most impressive list of wins ever, is the best P4P fighter and could very well go down as the greatest of all time.

    Why would you tell so many lies in one post?? Baffling stuff.

    Sonnen was dominating Horn every time. You should watch fights instead of telling lies.

    Hendo would walk through the division. No problem. Comical to claim otherwise.

    No, fighters try to win fights. GSP is not a fighter, he's a coward.

    You've not given one fact. Just lies.

    You clearly never watched RINGS or K1. You shouldn't talk about them.

    More lies. BJ wasn't on any P4P list when they fought the first time. Fitch wasn't top 10 P4P when they fought. So Hughes and Shields. In comparison to Fedor's record?? Not even close. More world champions, more highly ranked opponents, more p4p wins, longer winning streak, far more finishes. Fedor's record stands above everyones and is far better than GSP's.
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:38 am

    Cowboys From Hell wrote:I thought this was a thread about Hioki in the UFC. Laughing

    It was. then chelski started telling lies.
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:45 am

    sunthunder wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    sunthunder wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:The last three strikes missed. Clearly. You've never seen anyone get punched in the face close up if you think they landed.

    Sonnen would destroy anyone at 170. It would be a massacre. Hendo would knock them all clean out.GSP ran away from Shields guard. He knocked him down, thought about following him to the ground, shit his pants and ran away.

    Nothing in your post was fact.

    And yes, Fedor's list is FAR more impressive and against FAR tougher opposition than GSPs. 6 wins against former world champions, 7 if you include CroCop - a win that easily top anything GSP has done. 9 if you want to include the two K1 champs he's beaten. 10 if you include Arona's Rings title. His unbeaten run is the greatest in the history of the sport. GSP's list doesn't come close. Just as he doesn't come close.

    Don't see either of those things happening. Henderson has a history of being taken down and controlled by far inferior wrestlers than those populating the welterweight division.

    How much of Chael Sonnen's success comes from being a better wrestler than his contemporaries? How many great wrestlers has he actually beaten? Okami? Miller? Prangley?

    How would he fare against a Koscheck? GSP? Fitch? Shields? Any wrestling advantage Sonnen enjoys at middleweight would be be drastically reduced at welterweight, and that's not even taking into account how much more generally skilled the welterweight division has been in comparrison to 185.

    The only fighters at 170 with wrestling ability that comes close to Sonnen are Koscheck and Askren, and he's a better fighter than both. He has better striking and better head movement than either and his chin is one of the best in the sport.

    Henderson has a history of being taken down by people bigger than him. He also has a history of knocking people out. Hendo was destroying Shields until his back went and he gassed. And inferior wrestlers to those populating the WW division? Such as???

    Koscheck and Askren on paper. I wouldn't be shocked if practically speaking, Fitch, Shields, GSP, Prime Hughes all held their own against Sonnen. Plus Sonnen has far worse submission defense than any of them. There's no basis for saying Sonnen would run through welterweight when he fights in a division so empty of great wrestlers.

    Henderson taken down by people bigger than him? Like Carlos Newton? Ninja? Bustamante? Yuki Kondo? Misaki? Akira Shoji? Shields? All took down Henderson and held him down for lengths of time in their fights. All are natural welterweights/at best average sized middleweights, and none of those guys have wrestling as good as the top welterweight wrestlers.

    The revisionist history of Hendersons career is pretty funny. Before 2007 he was basically seen as a wildly inconsistant fighter. Looked great knocking out Japanese welterweights but extremely lucky to get the nod in a lot of his big wins. He'd struggle if he were a welterweight.

    Practically speaking GSP is a poor wrestler with good takedowns. Fitch, Shields and Hughes aren't close to Sonnen as a wrestler.

    Ninja, Kondo and Bustamante are all bigger than Hendo. Shoji is shorter but stockier. He's fought at HW multiple times. None of these fighters are WW's. Same goes Misaki. Hendo was a pretty average sized MW. He's now a very small LHW.

    Newton vs Henderson was at the start of both of there careers. Both took each other down for extended periods. He was destroying Shields until his back went.

    "The revisionist history of Hendersons career is pretty funny". You're right, you should stop attempting to do so. "Before 2007 he was basically seen as a wildly inconsistant fighter. Looked great knocking out Japanese welterweights but extremely lucky to get the nod in a lot of his big wins." is a statement worthy of a MikeyBoyBisping award. Comical nonsense. Up until 2007, Misaki was the only questionable loss on his record.
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  Ginginho on Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:05 pm

    Fedor over GSP for me.

    Their records are pretty similar and I don't know how you can compare the quality of fighters each has had to fight so I look at their losses.

    Disregarding the Kohsaka loss, Fedor has lost twice. So has GSP.

    Fedor lost by backing himself to cause damage jumping into the guard of one of the most talented ground fighters around and getting submitted. Stupid perhaps but you can't say he doesn't have balls. GSP's first loss was by tapping to an armbar with one second to go in the round by one of the UFCs best. One second was all he had to last but I am not qualified to judge really (but I will anyway Twisted Evil )

    Fedor's second loss was a doctor stoppage, where he got up ready to fight but wasn't allowed. He was fighting someone much bigger than himself too. GSP got stopped by a smaller fighter. Lucky punch perhaps but he didn't handle it well, rolled around a bit like Brock did then turtled... (as I remember it..)

    In the end, I agree with Chael Sonnen on the P4P debate so all the above is bullshit anyway Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:13 pm

    Fedor has lost twice, but only been beaten once. The Silva fight was stopped by the doctors when he probably could have fought on. His only true loss is a submission against one of the best.

    GSP got stopped by a wrestler with limited BJJ when he couldn't last a second without tapping. And he got KO'd by a much smaller man known mostly for his BJJ.

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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  2brutal on Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:53 pm

    Bit harsh not counting the silva fight as a loss ?

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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:58 pm

    All Bullshit, not counting the Silva demolition of Fedor as "Fedor being beaten" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. No point responding to that.

    I told no lies as well, everything I said was true. You know it's a fact, you know I'm right but you don't know how to answer so you put it off as a lie.

    Serra catching GSP 5 years is the only argument you ever use. It's getting old now and doesn't hold any relevancy.

    There is no comparison between GSP's wins and Fedors. Fedor has 3 or 4 top wins. GSP has 6 or 7 , and a lot more top 10 wins AND he's fought a lot less.

    It's harder to stop fighters when your not fighting cans.


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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  2brutal on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:59 pm

    Just read through your argument v funny it's usually me arguing with him,
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan on Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:31 pm

    It's always like this when we disagree on something.

    Oh and Anfield

    GSP, Fitch, Kos, Diaz, Askren and Shields would all have no problems beating Hendo outside a big punch. If BJ wasn't so undersized he would beat him as well.
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  sunthunder on Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:51 pm

    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    sunthunder wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    sunthunder wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:The last three strikes missed. Clearly. You've never seen anyone get punched in the face close up if you think they landed.

    Sonnen would destroy anyone at 170. It would be a massacre. Hendo would knock them all clean out.GSP ran away from Shields guard. He knocked him down, thought about following him to the ground, shit his pants and ran away.

    Nothing in your post was fact.

    And yes, Fedor's list is FAR more impressive and against FAR tougher opposition than GSPs. 6 wins against former world champions, 7 if you include CroCop - a win that easily top anything GSP has done. 9 if you want to include the two K1 champs he's beaten. 10 if you include Arona's Rings title. His unbeaten run is the greatest in the history of the sport. GSP's list doesn't come close. Just as he doesn't come close.

    Don't see either of those things happening. Henderson has a history of being taken down and controlled by far inferior wrestlers than those populating the welterweight division.

    How much of Chael Sonnen's success comes from being a better wrestler than his contemporaries? How many great wrestlers has he actually beaten? Okami? Miller? Prangley?

    How would he fare against a Koscheck? GSP? Fitch? Shields? Any wrestling advantage Sonnen enjoys at middleweight would be be drastically reduced at welterweight, and that's not even taking into account how much more generally skilled the welterweight division has been in comparrison to 185.

    The only fighters at 170 with wrestling ability that comes close to Sonnen are Koscheck and Askren, and he's a better fighter than both. He has better striking and better head movement than either and his chin is one of the best in the sport.

    Henderson has a history of being taken down by people bigger than him. He also has a history of knocking people out. Hendo was destroying Shields until his back went and he gassed. And inferior wrestlers to those populating the WW division? Such as???

    Koscheck and Askren on paper. I wouldn't be shocked if practically speaking, Fitch, Shields, GSP, Prime Hughes all held their own against Sonnen. Plus Sonnen has far worse submission defense than any of them. There's no basis for saying Sonnen would run through welterweight when he fights in a division so empty of great wrestlers.

    Henderson taken down by people bigger than him? Like Carlos Newton? Ninja? Bustamante? Yuki Kondo? Misaki? Akira Shoji? Shields? All took down Henderson and held him down for lengths of time in their fights. All are natural welterweights/at best average sized middleweights, and none of those guys have wrestling as good as the top welterweight wrestlers.

    The revisionist history of Hendersons career is pretty funny. Before 2007 he was basically seen as a wildly inconsistant fighter. Looked great knocking out Japanese welterweights but extremely lucky to get the nod in a lot of his big wins. He'd struggle if he were a welterweight.

    Practically speaking GSP is a poor wrestler with good takedowns. Fitch, Shields and Hughes aren't close to Sonnen as a wrestler.

    Ninja, Kondo and Bustamante are all bigger than Hendo. Shoji is shorter but stockier. He's fought at HW multiple times. None of these fighters are WW's. Same goes Misaki. Hendo was a pretty average sized MW. He's now a very small LHW.

    Newton vs Henderson was at the start of both of there careers. Both took each other down for extended periods. He was destroying Shields until his back went.

    "The revisionist history of Hendersons career is pretty funny". You're right, you should stop attempting to do so. "Before 2007 he was basically seen as a wildly inconsistant fighter. Looked great knocking out Japanese welterweights but extremely lucky to get the nod in a lot of his big wins." is a statement worthy of a MikeyBoyBisping award. Comical nonsense. Up until 2007, Misaki was the only questionable loss on his record.

    Not really, Ninja was a fat light heavyweight, and a not especially ripped middleweight. Henderson has always been leaner and better conditioned than Ninja whatever weight they've been at. Kondo was soft even when coming down to middleweight. Bustamante is an average sized middleweight, he doesn't enjoy a size or power advantage over Henderson. Shoji is fat and 5'7. Misaki is a soft middleweight too, he could easily be at 170. You know he fought at lightweight as an amateur right?

    Nothing you've said discredits that when you actually look at peoples reactions to Hendersons fights with Newton, Ninja, Kondo, Bustamante, the majority seem to agree that he didn't deserve those decisions. His nickname wasn't "Decision Dan" for nothing. And that's not my opinion of Henderson being inconsistent, that was a widely held view. No one wanted Henderson to face Wanderlei at Pride 33, no one was calling for it.

    Why aren't GSP/Hughes/Shields close to Sonnen? I've seen them fight quality wrestlers at their own weight. We've seen Sonnen fight who? Okami? By your logic if pure wrestling pedigree was all that came into it than surely Henderson would never have been taken down by those fighters I listed? Surely none of those guys are "close to Henderson as a wrestler"?

    You argue too much by just insisting things are true and throwing in insults. "Sonnen is better because he's better."
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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  manschesthair_utd on Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:44 pm

    sunthunder wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    sunthunder wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:
    sunthunder wrote:
    Anfields5thKing wrote:The last three strikes missed. Clearly. You've never seen anyone get punched in the face close up if you think they landed.

    Sonnen would destroy anyone at 170. It would be a massacre. Hendo would knock them all clean out.GSP ran away from Shields guard. He knocked him down, thought about following him to the ground, shit his pants and ran away.

    Nothing in your post was fact.

    And yes, Fedor's list is FAR more impressive and against FAR tougher opposition than GSPs. 6 wins against former world champions, 7 if you include CroCop - a win that easily top anything GSP has done. 9 if you want to include the two K1 champs he's beaten. 10 if you include Arona's Rings title. His unbeaten run is the greatest in the history of the sport. GSP's list doesn't come close. Just as he doesn't come close.

    Don't see either of those things happening. Henderson has a history of being taken down and controlled by far inferior wrestlers than those populating the welterweight division.

    How much of Chael Sonnen's success comes from being a better wrestler than his contemporaries? How many great wrestlers has he actually beaten? Okami? Miller? Prangley?

    How would he fare against a Koscheck? GSP? Fitch? Shields? Any wrestling advantage Sonnen enjoys at middleweight would be be drastically reduced at welterweight, and that's not even taking into account how much more generally skilled the welterweight division has been in comparrison to 185.

    The only fighters at 170 with wrestling ability that comes close to Sonnen are Koscheck and Askren, and he's a better fighter than both. He has better striking and better head movement than either and his chin is one of the best in the sport.

    Henderson has a history of being taken down by people bigger than him. He also has a history of knocking people out. Hendo was destroying Shields until his back went and he gassed. And inferior wrestlers to those populating the WW division? Such as???

    Koscheck and Askren on paper. I wouldn't be shocked if practically speaking, Fitch, Shields, GSP, Prime Hughes all held their own against Sonnen. Plus Sonnen has far worse submission defense than any of them. There's no basis for saying Sonnen would run through welterweight when he fights in a division so empty of great wrestlers.

    Henderson taken down by people bigger than him? Like Carlos Newton? Ninja? Bustamante? Yuki Kondo? Misaki? Akira Shoji? Shields? All took down Henderson and held him down for lengths of time in their fights. All are natural welterweights/at best average sized middleweights, and none of those guys have wrestling as good as the top welterweight wrestlers.

    The revisionist history of Hendersons career is pretty funny. Before 2007 he was basically seen as a wildly inconsistant fighter. Looked great knocking out Japanese welterweights but extremely lucky to get the nod in a lot of his big wins. He'd struggle if he were a welterweight.

    Practically speaking GSP is a poor wrestler with good takedowns. Fitch, Shields and Hughes aren't close to Sonnen as a wrestler.

    Ninja, Kondo and Bustamante are all bigger than Hendo. Shoji is shorter but stockier. He's fought at HW multiple times. None of these fighters are WW's. Same goes Misaki. Hendo was a pretty average sized MW. He's now a very small LHW.

    Newton vs Henderson was at the start of both of there careers. Both took each other down for extended periods. He was destroying Shields until his back went.

    "The revisionist history of Hendersons career is pretty funny". You're right, you should stop attempting to do so. "Before 2007 he was basically seen as a wildly inconsistant fighter. Looked great knocking out Japanese welterweights but extremely lucky to get the nod in a lot of his big wins." is a statement worthy of a MikeyBoyBisping award. Comical nonsense. Up until 2007, Misaki was the only questionable loss on his record.

    Not really, Ninja was a fat light heavyweight, and a not especially ripped middleweight. Henderson has always been leaner and better conditioned than Ninja whatever weight they've been at. Kondo was soft even when coming down to middleweight. Bustamante is an average sized middleweight, he doesn't enjoy a size or power advantage over Henderson. Shoji is fat and 5'7. Misaki is a soft middleweight too, he could easily be at 170. You know he fought at lightweight as an amateur right?

    Nothing you've said discredits that when you actually look at peoples reactions to Hendersons fights with Newton, Ninja, Kondo, Bustamante, the majority seem to agree that he didn't deserve those decisions. His nickname wasn't "Decision Dan" for nothing. And that's not my opinion of Henderson being inconsistent, that was a widely held view. No one wanted Henderson to face Wanderlei at Pride 33, no one was calling for it.

    Why aren't GSP/Hughes/Shields close to Sonnen? I've seen them fight quality wrestlers at their own weight. We've seen Sonnen fight who? Okami? By your logic if pure wrestling pedigree was all that came into it than surely Henderson would never have been taken down by those fighters I listed? Surely none of those guys are "close to Henderson as a wrestler"?

    You argue too much by just insisting things are true and throwing in insults. "Sonnen is better because he's better."


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    Re: Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

    Post  pinsman on Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:07 pm

    I love not coming on the forum for a while, clicking on a topic with a lot of feeback and just reading the last post without reading any others....

    How on earth has this topic gone from the title to here ha ha ha!

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