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    Hatsu Hioki Signs with the UFC - Jose Aldo, You are on Notice

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    Post  wilksdaman Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:30 pm

    HIOKI!!!

    Sorry, had to get that outta the way. This is the best news. The UFC's featherweight division has long been considered the best in the sport with most talent, with most international talent fighting in the WEC before the transition to the UFC. People were excited when the UFC announced the signing of Michihiro Omigawa, believing he was a legitimate threat to Jose Aldo's featherweight crown, though a one sided loss to Chad Mendes and a controversial decision loss to Darren Elkins at UFC 131 has cooled the expectations on the Judoka.

    Hatsu Hioki finds himself in a precarious position as the last great Japanese fighter. A look at the consensus rankings and you see that Japan has fallen on hard times in MMA. No longer the powerhouse producing top fighters, Hioki now must represent an entire nation and system to show that his home country should still be considered relevant in the sport. It is tough for many JMMA fans to accept but the sport has fallen on hard times in the Pacific Rim.

    Hioki is 11-1 as a Featherweight, his lone loss coming by controversial decision to Michihiro Omigawa in Sengoku. He holds two wins over Mark Hominick, Marlon Sandro, and Rumina Sato. With Kenny Florian sitting comfortably as the #1 contender to Aldo's title, expect Hioki to debut sometime this fall against the winner of Tyson Griffin/Manny Gamburyan or Chad Mendes/Rani Yahya. He has the weight of Japan on his shoulders, hopefully he can live up to the lofty expectations.

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    Post  Mryzyz Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:17 pm

    What the hell is Kenny Florian doing getting a shot at Aldo and wasting everyones' time?

    Hioki v Aldo should be made ASAP
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    Post  payneNglory1 Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:56 pm

    There's no way he should jump straight at the front of the cue and be given a title fight against Aldo for his debut.

    I wouldn't give him Mendes either(after he beats yahya)for his first fight in the UFC.

    He needs a challenge but not one quite like that for his UFC debut, at least give the guy a chance to acclimatize to his new surroundings.

    The winner of manny vs Griffin would be good or maybe give him Koch or the Korean Zombie.

    Yuri Alcantara would be a good test for him aswell,if he beats Carvalho,but If not then they could set up a Carvalho revenge rematch for Hioki's UFC debut.
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    Post  redmeanie77 Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:11 pm












    I'm afraid Hioki will lose his debut fight against a midcarder Sad Hopefully he can come in and impress and build up some hype for title shot.

    Keep him away from Mendes please....
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:18 pm

    Hioki is a very good fighter and poses a real challenge to Aldo but he shouldn't get a title shot straight away.

    He's never fought in the states and How many times has he fought in a cage? I think giving him someone like The Garcia-Caercas winner makes more sense, it will help ease him into American MMA.

    Looks like Aldo has no shortage of challengers to deal with.
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    Post  Paddyjock Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:09 am

    Can't see anyone beating Aldo in a while...

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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:40 am

    Paddyjock wrote:Can't see anyone beating Aldo in a while...

    Top P4P IMO

    did you see Hioki vs Sandro

    in other words...did you see Hioki dominate Aldo's main training partner; #2 ranked, 16-1 Marlon Sandro in every aspect of MMA? Laughing
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    Post  Sheldan Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:55 am

    I say give him Mark Hominick, he's top ten ranked, his weakness is submissions so Hioki should be able to exploit that, and he is well known to the casual fan after his UFC 129 fight with Aldo, so it would help the UFC to be able to sell Aldo VS Hioki to a mass market. Ticks all the boxes for me.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:59 am

    Sheldan wrote:I say give him Mark Hominick, he's top ten ranked, his weakness is submissions so Hioki should be able to exploit that, and he is well known to the casual fan after his UFC 129 fight with Aldo, so it would help the UFC to be able to sell Aldo VS Hioki to a mass market. Ticks all the boxes for me.

    well...to be fair he has already beaten Hominick twice Laughing


    didnt stop them feeding Herring to Nog though did it?
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:59 am

    Paddyjock wrote:Can't see anyone beating Aldo in a while...

    Top P4P IMO

    There's no doubt Aldo is incredibly talented and one of the top P4P fighters in the world, but he still has a lot to prove IMO. His competition hasn't been that great and he has yet to face the best in the division IMO. In his last fight he got 10-8-ed by Mark Homnick, a good but not great fighter. Hioki has all the potential to cause him a lot of problems if he is given enough time to fully develop his skills in the octagon.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:09 am

    Aldo destroyed Brown and Faber, they were the top 2 guys in the division.

    Aldo has very little to prove. Other than his cardio in his next fight.
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    Post  Sheldan Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:16 am

    manschesthair_utd wrote:well...to be fair he has already beaten Hominick twice Laughing


    didnt stop them feeding Herring to Nog though did it?

    Ahh, maybe I should do some research before making such a bold claim! Like you said though, hasn't stopped them in the past.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:42 am

    Anfields5thKing wrote:Aldo destroyed Brown and Faber, they were the top 2 guys in the division.

    Aldo has very little to prove. Other than his cardio in his next fight.

    If you look at how Brown has performed in the fights after the Aldo fight, he has looked quite poor. Look I love the guy but he's not really a top fighter, he wouldn't be near the top of any other division. He lost 3 out of his next 5 fights and could be cut if he looses again.

    The ass kicking he gave Faber was impressive, but IMO Faber has always been overrated and many are expecting Cruz to beat him easily next week.

    There is a reason so many LWs like Daddy, Griffin and KenFlo have dropped down. It's because the talent pool isn't as big.

    The FW division is just now beginning to grow and more talented fighters are coming. The fighters are getting better and more serious challenges are coming. Mendes and Hioki will give Aldo a much bigger test than anyone he has faced thus far.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:48 am

    Brown has been poor since because his confidence is shot to pieces. But when he fought Aldo, he was the best in the world.

    Faber is an excellent fighter. Certainly better than Hioki or Mendes. He walked through Cruz with ease last time out and could very well beat him again. It's irrelevant if he does or not. Cruz-Faber has no bearing on Faber's standing in the FW division when Aldo beat him. But anyone that thinks Cruz will easily beat Faber is a moron. He might beat him, but it'll be far from easy.

    Mendes has proven nothing other than he can hump a bunch of average fights and Hioki's lost to the some pretty poor fighters. Other than his win over Sandro, there's not a whole lot on his record to be getting excited about.

    Ken Flo dropped because he was told it was the only way he'd ever get back into contention for a belt. Daddy and Griffin did it because they were told to. Cut weight or get cut.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:52 am

    I should point out that it doesn't matter who wins the Faber-Cruz fight, Brian Bowles is getting that belt back.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:30 am

    Anfields5thKing wrote:Brown has been poor since because his confidence is shot to pieces. But when he fought Aldo, he was the best in the world.

    Faber is an excellent fighter. Certainly better than Hioki or Mendes. He walked through Cruz with ease last time out and could very well beat him again. It's irrelevant if he does or not. Cruz-Faber has no bearing on Faber's standing in the FW division when Aldo beat him. But anyone that thinks Cruz will easily beat Faber is a moron. He might beat him, but it'll be far from easy.

    Mendes has proven nothing other than he can hump a bunch of average fights and Hioki's lost to the some pretty poor fighters. Other than his win over Sandro, there's not a whole lot on his record to be getting excited about.

    Ken Flo dropped because he was told it was the only way he'd ever get back into contention for a belt. Daddy and Griffin did it because they were told to. Cut weight or get cut.

    But that's part of my point. Brown was the best in the world in a very shallow division, when he faced some real competition he got murdered. By Aldo and Gambaryun. Speaking of, while Gambaryun is a good fighter, he was cut from the UFC LW division but starred in the FW division. That's abother example of the difference in quality between FW and LW.

    Cruz was nowhere near the fighter he is now last time. I'm actually picking Faber to win the fight Laughing but he still has been overrated and given too many title shots he didn't really deserve.

    Mendes is a boring dryhumper but so are so many of today's top fighters. Aldo has yet to deal with a top class wrestler. Best wrestler he has faced is Faber and Mendes is better than him. Mendes has solid wins over Javier Vasquez and Swanson and good wins over Omigawa and Koch. Undefeated as well and I think he's a real threat.

    Hioki suffered some losses to guys with solid records early on in his career as well as Omigawa and Takaya. No one really that poor and Hioki has improved massively since then. As well as completely outclassing Sandro, Hioki has good wins over Kanehara (wins over Kid, Omigawa, Korean zombie), Takeshi Lion, two wins over Homnick and Jeff Curran. That's a pretty good record and he improves with every fight.

    Exactly, all three didn't have the skills to cope at a division that has higher level opponents. Kenflo and Daddy once had title shots when there was nearly no one else in the division.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:31 am

    Oh and I agree Bowles is getting that belt back as soon as he sparks Mizugaki, he'll be next in line and I think he'll beat both Cruz and Faber.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:45 pm

    Hioki was robbed blind against Omigawa (split decision), and was unlucky not to get the nod against Carvalho (split decision), his only other loss in the last 8 years is to Kim Jong Man (split decision)...i havent seen that fight but Kim had a stellar record at the time.

    Jose Aldo on the other hand was stopped by Luciano Azavedo...a guy who couldn't last 3 minutes against Antonio McKee.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:00 pm

    Hioki has four losses against 4 average fighters.

    Aldo lost when he was a kid and still learning the game.
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    Post  Mryzyz Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:46 pm

    For me Aldo is at the very least the joint-best p4p fighter in the world and if I had to choose one number 1, it would be Aldo.

    The winner of a prospective Aldo v Hioki fight I would say is the definitive p4p #1. Unless Diaz beats GSP.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:05 pm

    Currently I'd have Anderson Number 1, Aldo Number 2, GSP Number 3, Gilbert Melendez Number 4.
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    Post  ChelseaQuinsfan Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:18 am

    Hioki has four losses against 4 average fighters.

    Aldo lost when he was a kid and still learning the game

    Hioki lost once to a future champion when he was a kid. Takaya is/was top 10 in the FW rankings and has beaten Hansen and Fernandes.

    The other 3 loses as Chesty says were all split decisions and the Omigawa fight was a plain robbery. Anderson Silva has a loss to a guy with a losing record. What does that prove?

    For me Aldo is at the very least the joint-best p4p fighter in the world and if I had to choose one number 1, it would be Aldo.

    The winner of a prospective Aldo v Hioki fight I would say is the definitive p4p #1. Unless Diaz beats GSP.

    Aldo is not the number one P4P fighter until he fights better competition. How does Diaz become P4P number 1 if he beats GSP?

    Silva or GSP are the P4P best and GSP has faced better competition and has never lost 10-8. Silva lost 10-8 twice in a round.
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    Post  sunthunder Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:55 am

    A lot of Hioki's losses come from his inclination to stand and strike with fighters when he could have made much easier work of them on the ground. Even some of his wins have been more arduous than they should have been because of this. His striking ability has now improved to more closely match his ambitions though, as evidenced by the Sandro fight.
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    Post  Ginginho Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:01 am

    I know Hioki might have to adjust to the different conditions in the US but surely him, and a few more featherweights, should be ahead of Florian in the title hunt. He's been handed a shot because he hugs Danas balls and nothing more. He may well pose a threat to Aldo, I don't know, but I don't think he deserves a shot after one fight in that weight class Evil or Very Mad
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    Post  sunthunder Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:33 pm

    I think really Florian got the shot because he's a name the UFC can use to validate the featherweight division. Even though we all obviously know Aldo doesn't need validating, to the more casual fan it's a good frame of reference.

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