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    Re: Strikeforce review overeem v werdum

    Post  2brutal on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:29 am

    The war master anyone else think Josh barnetts new nickname is shocking
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:29 am

    The thing about Overeem vs Werdum was that Werdum didnt get Knocked down legit more than 1 time perhaps, as soon as he felt a shot that hurt or damaged him the fell to the floor and he hoped Overeem would follow, It was basically the best Striker vs the best Grappler and it didnt make for the prettyist fight because of that.

    The result being called into question is funny and although Overeem didnt dominate the striking people have to remember he scored Multiple Knockdowns (Wether Werdum was legit rocked or not he fell after a strike and thats what Judges see) he scored a could of Slam TD's while Stuffing nearly all Werdums. He won the 1st two rounds even if the 3rd wasnt clear cut with Werdums undamaging strikes still landing.
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    Barnett is the dogs balls, Anfield has it right about him the only reason he isnt top dog is because he hasnt been in there with the right opponents. Rogers did well enought against Fedor and landed 1 punch on Barnett... he was in better shape than the Fedor or Overeem fight and still landed 1 punch.... Total domination over a top 20 guy. I sort of want Barnett to win the thing now....

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    Cormier was ok, Monsons striking is abismal, he has won pro boxing matches and that shocks me, if anyone has ever seen him hitting the speed bag youll know how shite he is.... if he cant take a man down he cant beat them, its pretty much that simple. Thats why I think he will do better at 205 where he will be a powerhouse. Cormier was ok, but again I think he could be a 205er, I look forward to his next fight becausae no doubt it will be a ranked guy... or Rogers would work?
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    Noons got whooped! Great fight! Title shot vs Gil should be fun to see for Masvidal.... Gutted the JZ fight had an eyepoke... did anyone see it and how was he doing?

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    Post  2brutal on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:32 am

    Didn't see it but most reports gave first rd to Wilcox who I had ud damn,
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:40 am

    Just watched an interview with JZ, he is busting to fight again asap as he has no damage what so ever... he wants Josh Thompson again, I dont see why not I think he was hard done by in their fight

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    Post  2brutal on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:42 am

    Be a good fight that I like thompson

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    Post  2brutal on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:43 am

    Maxmo bianco is fighting Josh t nexti
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    Post  Cowboys From Hell on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:29 pm

    2brutal wrote:Maxmo bianco is fighting Josh t nexti

    Yeah I heard that too big step up for Maxi kudos to Strikeforce for throwing him in at the deep end.
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    Post  pinsman on Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:49 pm

    Ok... dominanted was probably the wrong word to use, but a fighter spending most of the fight on his arse asking the other fighter to join him does not deserve to win, im sorry...

    If that was pride surely Werdum would have had a warning for that show?
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:55 pm

    pinsman wrote:Ok... dominanted was probably the wrong word to use, but a fighter spending most of the fight on his arse asking the other fighter to join him does not deserve to win, im sorry...

    If that was pride surely Werdum would have had a warning for that show?

    And a fighter who does nothing for the entire fight does??
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    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:22 am

    Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum was held last night in Dallas' American Airlines Center. The event featured two fights in the Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix and was aired on Showtime and HDNet.

    MMA Junkie reports that the event drew a reported 7,639 attendees for a $543,060 live gate. For comparison, UFC 103 in the same venue in 2009 drew 17,428 attendees for a $2.4 million gate. That event was headlined by a 195-lb. catchweight bout between Rich Franklin and Vitor Belfort.

    Strikeforce: Houston, the promotion's only previous trip to the Lone Star State drew a reported 8,635 attendees but the gate was never revealed.

    The dramatic disparity in revenue and gate numbers tells me that running Strikeforce events is a money loser for UFC and Strikeforce parent company Zuffa, LLC when they could very likely run the exact same card, slap "UFC" on the tickets and double their live gate revenue. There may be other business reasons to keep it going as a separate brand -- the Showtime contract for one -- but it's got to gall to lose out on that kind of revenue every time you hold an event.
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    Post  manschesthair_utd on Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:30 pm

    shows how much a brand name is worth, Overeem/Werdum was a much better card on paper.

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    Post  2brutal on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:25 pm

    Wonder how long till the merger happens don't think they will run 2 brands when the showtime deal runs out
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:33 pm

    A lot of it is timing as well.

    In Sept 09 in Dallas:

    Basketball had been finished for 3 months and was still a couple of months from starting the new season.

    Hockey season was the same because it runs the same time as Basketball.

    The Texas Rangers baseball team sucked and nobody cared about going to see them.

    So the only team to follow were the Cowboys.


    Right now, The Mavericks have just won the NBA championship and played to sold out crowds all through the playoffs and The Rangers are one of the best teams in Baseball and play to full houses non-stop.

    People don't have as much spare cash to be attending events.

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    Post  2brutal on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:50 pm

    Good good points dirk and the mavericks will have had a big impact on That for definate
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    Post  Mannpagejackson on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:52 pm

    Anfields5thKing - all good points. Except for the fact that the strikeforce card had 2 potentially good fights one of which ended up being absolutely dire! Ur statement about it being a good card badly timed is a right load of rubbish. Strikeforce has more of a cult following rather than a large fanbase and the reason that is, is because Of the lack of quality in strikeforce. Overeem is one of strikeforces biggest draws and he was awful. That said, im an overeem fan, but he was poor at the weekend and the rest of the card didnt overly impress me. Thats why strikeforce gets such bad attendances. It is a weak version of ufc on the whole.

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    Post  2brutal on Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:58 pm

    Manny someof these guys are Gunnar give you some abuse now
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:34 pm

    Mannpagejackson wrote:Anfields5thKing - all good points. Except for the fact that the strikeforce card had 2 potentially good fights one of which ended up being absolutely dire! Ur statement about it being a good card badly timed is a right load of rubbish. Strikeforce has more of a cult following rather than a large fanbase and the reason that is, is because Of the lack of quality in strikeforce. Overeem is one of strikeforces biggest draws and he was awful. That said, im an overeem fan, but he was poor at the weekend and the rest of the card didnt overly impress me. Thats why strikeforce gets such bad attendances. It is a weak version of ufc on the whole.

    First of all, the outcome of the fights have NO bearing on the gate. Do you think people come to the event AFTER the fights have been on?

    Secondly, it's a fact the sports attendances in Dallas are up hugely for the Mavs and Rangers since 09 and since we're in the midst of a global recession people have less money to spend. It's a FACT that the card was badly timed. Mark Cuban, owner of the Mavericks, was asked about the impact the Mavs reaching the NBA finals would have on other events being held in the arena and he was talking about some events being cancell and how other events would probably suffer smaller gates. He specifically mentioned the Strikeforce one.

    Thirdly, I beat you in the predictions league and you're just upset about it. Razz
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    Post  Mryzyz on Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:45 pm

    The top 10 Heavyweights in the world according to mannpages' rankings off his profile on MMA Playground:

    #1 Cain Velasquez
    #2 Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos
    #3 Brock Lesnar
    #4 Shane Carwin
    #5 Roy "Country" Nelson
    #6 Alistair "Demolition Man" Overeem
    #7 Fabricio Werdum
    #8 Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emelianenko
    #9 Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
    #10 Frank Mir


    ?????????
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    Post  Mryzyz on Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:50 pm

    And another point...

    'The fight was dull, ergo both fighters are no good'

    Why?!?!?

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    Post  manschesthair_utd on Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:07 pm

    it was an awkward clash of styles, both guys made each other look bad.
    similar to Silva/Maia....anyone who bases the talents of the 2 fighters on their performance in that fight doesnt understand fights.

    Only thing that can be interpreted about the fighters is that Overeem as afraid to grapple with Werdum...however Werdum is probably the only fighter this applies to so again - dont read too much into that.
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:27 pm

    Good comparison mate, Werdum flopping when he gets tagged is something he does, he did it against Fedor and it worked he did it against Bigfoot (Fell 4 times withing 6 mins) and used is against Overeem to avoid a standing KO. Its a good tactic... it got him a win over Fedor and Bigfoot even if a sub wasnt directly from it. If you want to finish and KO Werdum its risky as fuck to follow the guy to the ground he better be as out as JDS left him if your going to pounce.

    Its not a pretty tactic to watch if you enjoy striking but hey Wrestling isnt good to watch for the most part either. Overeem wasnt going to the ground with him and Werdum was going to the ground every time something hurt him.

    People need to think more about the ref and less about either fighters performance. Flopping and taking a while to get up to avoid taking a standing KO is like Stalling is someones guard. IMO the ref should have told Werdum to the on his feet quickly or threaten a point deduction.

    Its the US style of MMA, in Pride this shit like calling someone to your guard or sticking your chin out on the ground got you Jumped on or soccer kicked... or if it didnt an Angry Japanese man would be giving you yellow cards! Laughing

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    Post  2brutal on Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:49 pm

    Bring back the yellow cards
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    Post  rudeboyben84 on Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:11 pm

    Id love them but Refs just need to be on the ball with whats time wasting, Improve position, Strike, Sub on the ground are exceltable... that is all! Not standing up quick is like holding too long in Boxing, its stalling the fights and needs to be addressed by the ref.
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    Post  Anfields5thKing on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:23 pm

    Mryzyz wrote:The top 10 Heavyweights in the world according to mannpages' rankings off his profile on MMA Playground:

    #1 Cain Velasquez
    #2 Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos
    #3 Brock Lesnar
    #4 Shane Carwin
    #5 Roy "Country" Nelson
    #6 Alistair "Demolition Man" Overeem
    #7 Fabricio Werdum
    #8 Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emelianenko
    #9 Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
    #10 Frank Mir


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    Those might be the worst rankings I've ever seen!

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