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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  manschesthair_utd on Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:09 pm

    0. Minowaman
    1. Fabricio Werdum
    2. Cain Velasquez
    3. Bigfoot Silva
    4. Junior Dos Santos
    5. Fedor
    6. Alistair Overeem
    7. Brock Lesnar
    8. Shane Carwin
    9. Frank Mir
    10. Minotauro Nogueira
    11. Sergei Kharitonov
    12. Josh Barnett
    13. Mike Russow
    14. Brendan Schaub
    15. Brett Rogers



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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  payneNglory1 on Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:33 pm

    Mine would be

    #1 Cain
    #2 Werdum
    #3 JDS
    #4 Brock
    #5 Bigfoot
    #6 Fedor
    #7 Carwin
    #8 Mir
    #9 Reem
    #10 Big Nog
    #11 Barnett
    #12 Sergei
    #13 Schaub
    #14 Kongo
    #15 Browne

    Nelson,Rothwell,Rogers,Konrad,Struve,Russow,winner of the Cormier v Monson would go near the top fo the JMO list and Mitrione,would be the guys on my just missed out list
    Del Rosario would of been on aswell,but after his accident,I don't know when we'll be seeing him again.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:23 am

    Sheldan wrote:
    rudeboyben84 wrote:OK well that doesnt really matter.

    What matters is Bigfoot was ranked Higher than Nog and Fedor was ranked higher than Lesnar.

    Whats Cains case for being top then?

    Since having his head knocked off by JDS (who I think should be above Werdum as well seeing how he beat him?) Werdum has beaten a Light Heavyweight in Mike Kyle, won a controversial decision against Big Foot who from what I remember hardly anybody had him in their top 10 until after the Arlovski fight, and then beat the #1 ranked heavyweight Fedor. Cain has easily beaten 5 guys since Werdum's fight with JDS, albeit Stojnic is a can, but at the time of the Kongo fight, Kongo was close to top 10 when Cain beat him, same applies for Rothwell. Then he easily beat Nog who was ranked around #6 at the time of the fight, don't know where you're getting Big Foot being ranked above Nog when Werdum beat him from. Then Cain easily beat Brock who the majority had at #1. If Werdum hadn't have got knocked out by JDS then i'd see more clearer why he would deserve to be at #1, but he was, thats why I have him at #3 behind Cain and JDS. If you say Overeem beating Werdum would send Cain to #1 and put Overeem at #2 or #3 due to him being at the bottom end of the top 10, why did Werdum beating Fedor put him at #1 when it is more or less a mirror image of the Overeem situation? You can't say it's because Fedor was so far ahead of the rest of the pack, because the level of competition he had been facing leading in to his fight with Werdum drew him a lot closer.



    I agree with every single character in this quote! Spot on!!!!





    rudeboyben84 wrote:
    Trevor Berbick beat Muhammed Ali when his career was coming to an end, does that mean that whoever beats Berbick is the greatest ever?


    That is a painfully stupid question...

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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  The_Axe_Emperor on Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:30 am

    1. Cain Velasquez
    2. Junior dos Santos
    3. Fabricio Werdum
    4. Fedor Emelianenko
    5. Shane Carwin
    6. Brock Lesnar
    7. Frank Mir
    8. Antonio Silva
    9. Alistair Overeem
    10. Sergei Kharitonov
    11. Mike Russow
    12. Brendan Schaub
    13. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
    14. Cole Konrad
    15. Ricco Rodriguez


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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:32 am

    1. Fabricio Werdum
    2. Cain Velasquez
    3. Bigfoot Silva
    4. Junior Dos Santos
    5. Fedor
    6. Alistair Overeem
    7. Brock Lesnar
    8. Shane Carwin
    9. Frank Mir
    10 Sergei Kharitonov
    11. Minotauro Nogueira
    12. Josh Barnett
    13. Mike Russow
    14. Brendan Schaub
    15. Travis Browne


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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:33 am

    rudeboyben84 wrote:
    rudeboyben84 wrote:Not yet mate, I wasnt to know if theres any other Rules, Feel like theres something missing....

    There are well over 100 fighters in the rankings so it will take a while to do, Id start with rought draft of the Heavyweights now if you want, with the way I think they last where and the changed Id have made

    Also the final draft Ill get the rankings page looking good with Links to each fighers Sherdog pofile etc..

    1. Werdum
    2. Cain
    3. JDS (Because Brock hasnt had a win in a year, rule 3C)
    4. Lesnar
    5. Bigfoot
    6. Fedor
    7. Carwin
    8. Mir (beating Nelson moved him ahead of Overeem)
    9. Overeem
    10. Nog
    11. Barnett
    12. Monson
    13. Sergei (I think he should have been over Schaub because he was only removed from rankings due to inactivity and performance against Arlovski was so much better than say Bigfoot)
    14. Scahaub
    15. Travis Browne (reckon his 130 win knocks Nelson off 15th)

    Hows that?

    Lhw:

    1. Bones
    2. Shogun
    3. Evans
    4. Rampage
    5. Machida
    6. Hendo
    7. Forrest
    8. Belfort
    9. Davis
    10. Mousasi
    11. Lil Nog
    12. Feijao
    13. Franklin
    14. King Mo
    15. Vlad

    i Think thats roughly how the Lhw rankings looked... was that it? What you all think?

    Shogun should be lower. Lost 2 of his last 3. Got his ass handed to him by Jones after a long lay off.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  redmeanie77 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:39 am











    I think JDS should be no.1 if he beats Carwin. Would make things much easier in HW division.

    His wins would be:
    Carwin
    Werdum
    Big Country
    Gonzaga
    Crocop
    Struve
    Yvel


    He would have better wins than no.2 ranked Cain, and has a vicous KO win over no.1 Werdum.


    Not to shabby at all.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:12 am

    Thanks to anyone who has posted their rankings, much appreciated lads, in fairness I dont care if Cain or Werdum is top because Werdum will either be top after beating Overeem or Cain will be top if he looses so Its going to be cleared up soon.

    I just want to point out one thing I dont think anyone should be ranked over someone they come off a loss to, if you have lost to someone in your last fight you shouldnt be ranked over them no matter what... is everyone ok with that rule?

    Ill wait till a couple more rankings come in and tally up an average.

    *Payne, Kongo over Browne seems weird, how come?

    *Red, Junior going top if he beats Carwin is possible, though if Werdum beats Overeem im not sure... It will be very close at the top and id imagine it will be a tight vote.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Cowboys From Hell on Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:47 am

    Where's Minowaman in the HW rankings surely he should be Top 10 I mean he is the reigning sup HLUK Champion after all. Very Happy

    Personally I'd take Schaubb out the list beating the faded shells of Gonzaga & Cro Cop doesn't mean that much hell Nelson beat the shit out of him.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Sheldan on Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:07 pm

    I say give it until Sunday for those who want to post their rankings to do so, then we'll work out the rankings and then move on to Light Heavyweight on Monday.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  payneNglory1 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:15 pm

    rudeboyben84 wrote:*Payne, Kongo over Browne seems weird, how come?


    Just because,Kongo was already alot higher ranked before they fought and a draw and a win shouldn't close the ranking gap that much and let him over take him IMO,Don't forget Kongo would of won the fight if it hadn't had the point deduction for grabbing his shorts.

    I've got Browne at 15 purely on his last two results,his win against Struve and his draw against Kongo,his record before that,against the opponents he beat,didn't warrent him being ranked ahead of any of the guys on my JMO list.
    I would of said before those two results,he was ranked behind guys like Buentello's,Madsen and Herman and no higher than your Sean McCorcles,lavar johnsons and Neil Grove's.

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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:55 pm

    Winner of Werdum-Overeem should be number 1.

    Regardless of the outcome of the JDS-Carwin fight, neither are number 1.


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    Post  manschesthair_utd on Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:22 pm

    I don't think everyone here really understands the magnitude of Werdum's acheivement.

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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  2brutal on Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:18 pm

    I agree with anfields it was the biggest win in mma history

    That been said jds did smash him and as only looked good since then

    So it's a fair point

    And as much as I like the reem a win with his mma record takes him 3rd at best even mryzyz can not argue reem should go to 1
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Anfields5thKing on Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:33 pm

    JDS looked poor against CroCop. And the Werdum he beat wasn't the Werdum that fought Big Foot and Fedor.

    Fedor is the best EVER.

    Werdum's the only guy to legit beat him.

    If Overeem beats Werdum he's the number 1 HW in the world.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:58 pm

    Chesty and Anfield pointed out Ive missed Mike Russow off the top 15 and the other name that seems to be seen as top 15 is Brett Rogers.

    Mike Russow is a good call I think, his only loss in 16 fights is Sergei. He beat Duffee who was hugely hyped to be the next big thing, and Madsen who was verging on top 15 and is on a 10 fight spree finishing 9 of them. Yeah Id say he is overlooked.

    I think Payne has a point in it being a bit premature to rank Brown in a Draw and a win over a kid who has been nearly put away in every fight.

    Axe has Ricco and Konrad in but Konrad is crazily inactive and fights cans only so far. Ricco isnt a bad call....

    No one seemed to have Monson in, even though he is on an 8 fight streak and his wins over Nelson, Sergei and Ricco...

    Im strugling to come up with a compromised rankings, what about...

    Weve to get these rankings knocked togeather quickly so can everyone post a Lhw rankings as well?
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:38 pm

    1. Werdum
    2. Cain
    3. JDS
    4. Bigfoot
    5. Lesnar
    6. Fedor
    7. Carwin
    8. Mir
    9. Overeem
    10. Nog
    11. Barnett
    12. Sergei
    13. Scahaub
    14. Russow
    15. Monson

    Lensar down below Bigfoot as well, Most have him lower than the average webiste, So 5th (since Fedor has back to back losses)

    Sergei up to 12th, Russow on the top 15.

    So 15th place the popular choices seem to be Rogers or Browne. I think ranking Browne top 15 after 1 decent win is far far too quick thinking about it.

    Leaves us with Rogers who really struggled with one of MMA's worst figthers in Warpath. Following that he lost 2 back to back and only had 1 "name" fighter on his win list so Its gotta be a no to Rogers too.

    Monson was 12th on mine originally, anyon who has Nelson on their top 15, Id love to head how he should be considered over Monson... Is Monson at 15 OK? Do Rogers or Browne really diserve in over him? Ricco is the only other sinsible one I can think of....

    Kongo has been too inactive to be ranked and hasnt had a win in god knows how long.

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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  2brutal on Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:52 pm

    Agree re fedor but overeem last 5 wins are duffe Rogers Fujita Thompson Sylvester
    No 3 if he beats werdum
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  rudeboyben84 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:12 pm

    2brutal wrote:Agree re fedor but overeem last 5 wins are duffe Rogers Fujita Thompson Sylvester
    No 3 if he beats werdum

    Sorta depends how he looks, cant see a justification for him over Cain or Junior if he beats Carwin.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  payneNglory1 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:16 pm

    I'm abit bored,so I've worked out how it would work out,with the lads who have put there rankings down plus,I've included FightMetrix,Sherdogs,BloodyElbows and fightmagazines rankings also.

    Rank Fighter Sheldan Chesty Me Axe Anfield Ben FightMetrix Sherdog Bloody Elbow FightMag total
    1 Cain 15 14 15 15 14 14 15 15 15 15 147
    2 Werdum 13 15 14 13 15 15 13 13 13 14 138
    3 JDS 14 12 13 1412 13 12 12 14 9 125
    4 Lesner 12 9 12 10 9 11 14 14 12 11 114
    5 Bigfoot 10 13 11 8 13 12 11 9 10 12 109
    6 Carwin 11 8 9 11 8 9 10 11 11 8 96
    7 Fedor 9 11 10 1211 10 7 8 77 92
    8 Reem 7 10 7 7 10 7 8 7 9 1385
    9 Mir 8 7 8 9 7 8 9 10 8 6 80
    10 Big Nog 6 6 6 3 5 6 0 5 62 45
    11 Barnett 5 4 5 0 4 5 6 0 2 10 41
    12 Sergei 3 54 66 4 3 4 3 3 41
    13 Schaub 4 2 3 4 2 3 5 1 5 0 29
    14 Russow 0 3 0 5 3 2 1 0 1 5 19
    15 Nelson 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 4 0 12
    16 Konrad 0 0 0 2 0 0 4 3 0 0 9
    17 Browne 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 6
    18 Rogers 1 1 0 00 0 2 0 1 0 5
    19 Kongo 0 0 2 00 0 0 0 0 0 2
    20 Rothwell 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2
    21 Ricco 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
    22 Monson 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1



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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Sheldan on Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:44 pm

    Surprisingly, those rankings actually look quite decent, I think this is a good way how to work out the rankings, the only thing i'm not happy about is Payne's spelling of my name! Come on Payne if you're going to spell it wrong atleast spell it "sheldon" like most people do Laughing
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  Sheldan on Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:50 pm

    My Light Heavyweight Rankings:

    1. Jon Jones
    2. Shogun Rua
    3. Rashad Evans
    4. Quinton Jackson
    5. Lyoto Machida
    6. Dan Henderson
    7. Forrest Griffin
    8. Ryan Bader
    9. Phil Davis
    10. Thiago Silva
    11. Rafael Cavalcante
    12. King Mo
    13. Gegard Mousasi
    14. Rich Franklin
    15. Antonio Rogerio Noguiera

    I've just done these quickly off the top of my head, so if anybody suggests any changes i'd happily consider them.
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  payneNglory1 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:01 pm

    Sorted bud,sorry about that

    I think I do it because my boys name is spelt Kayden,so I automatically put den on the end of those sounding names.

    Those rankings don't back up my Kongo's ranking or Bens Monson at all do they Laughing
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  manschesthair_utd on Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:39 pm

    If i were you payne, i would ignore other websites rankings...its not like the people who put them together are anything other than MMA fans like us anyways, there is no authority attached to them here.

    besides they are all heavily influenced by UFC (e.g. they dont want to lose any press priveledges by disagreeing with the propaganda)and they take too much of an inconsistant approach Suspect
    just look at how their rankings of Fedor compare to ours!!
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    Re: New MMA Rankings with ranking System included

    Post  payneNglory1 on Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:07 am

    payneNglory1 wrote:I'm abit bored,so I've worked out how it would work out,with the lads who have put there rankings down plus,I've included FightMetrix,Sherdogs,BloodyElbows and fightmagazines rankings also.

    Rank Fighter Sheldan Chesty Me Axe Anfield Ben FightMetrix Sherdog Bloody Elbow FightMag total
    1 Cain 15 14 15 15 14 14 15 15 15 15 147
    2 Werdum 13 15 14 13 15 15 13 13 13 14 138
    3 JDS 14 12 13 1412 13 12 12 14 9 125
    4 Lesner 12 9 12 10 9 11 14 14 12 11 114
    5 Bigfoot 10 13 11 8 13 12 11 9 10 12 109
    6 Carwin 11 8 9 11 8 9 10 11 11 8 96
    7 Fedor 9 11 10 1211 10 7 8 77 92
    8 Reem 7 10 7 7 10 7 8 7 9 1385
    9 Mir 8 7 8 9 7 8 9 10 8 6 80
    10 Big Nog 6 6 6 3 5 6 0 5 62 45
    11 Barnett 5 4 5 0 4 5 6 0 2 10 41
    12 Sergei 3 54 66 4 3 4 3 3 41
    13 Schaub 4 2 3 4 2 3 5 1 5 0 29
    14 Russow 0 3 0 5 3 2 1 0 1 5 19
    15 Nelson 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 4 0 12
    16 Konrad 0 0 0 2 0 0 4 3 0 0 9
    17 Browne 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 6
    18 Rogers 1 1 0 00 0 2 0 1 0 5
    19 Kongo 0 0 2 00 0 0 0 0 0 2
    20 Rothwell 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2
    21 Ricco 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
    22 Monson 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1


    Chesty,If say 10 to 15 of the regulars on here,all put there choices down,then there would be no need to add those other rankings,it would be solely our rankings.
    I don't think it really works with only 5 or 6 people.
    So since the numbers were low,I thought those sites were about the best way to get a better overall view on how the rankings should be.
    They do differ from each other,but then so do we when you look at yours and anfields position for Lesner,or axes position of bigfoot compared to the rest,Bloody Elbow seems to be pretty consistent with us,apart from Fedor.
    FightMag has the most differing rankings,they have JDS ranked low and have Reem and barnett higher ranked than any of us.

    not that any of this matters,this is Bens thing and i was just seeing what it would look like.

    Again i'm not trying to get to much into this,because like I said,this is bens thing and he's been doing a good job with it for ages,but while i was working the scores out,this was something I thought about for a way of future scoring,not that much thought really went into it I might add,there could be loads of flaws in it,so feel free to point them out.

    Just say that we started with these rankings and scores,do you think it could work if you took a position and added your current value to you score for a win.

    Example

    Carwin is fighting JDS,Carwins current position makes him worth 10 pts and JDS is worth 13 pts.
    If JDS beats Carwin,then JDS adds his 13 pts to his total.
    If Carwin beats JDS,JDS's point total stays the same but Carwin takes JDS's current position,current total and adds his current ranking of 10 pts to that total.

    JDS wins he moves to 138 pts and tied for 2nd with werdum
    Carwin wins he moves to 135 pts and 3rd position.

    If Reem beats Werdum,he takes Werdums 138 pts plus his current 8 pts making 146 pts,2nd and 1 pt behind cain in 1st.
    Werdum beats Reem he adds his 14 pts to his current total giving him a total of 152 and first position.

    any win against an opponent below yourself,who's outside the top 10 could be just 5 pts added to your total.(that would still award fighters for the win,but nowhere near the award for beating another top 10 fighter)

    If say Cain fought and beat Schaub,he'd only add 5 pts to his total.
    If Schaub beat Cain,he'd move up,take Cains points plus 5 pts.

    If barnett beats Rogers,he gets 5 pts added to his total and would move up to 10th place above Nog.
    If Rogers wins,he takes barnetts total plus 5 pts and moves into 10th pushing nog into 11th and barnett into 12th.

    To get on the list people will have to vote them on,where they start at the bottom on 1 point or they have to beat a guy that's already on the list,in which case they would automatically take his place.

    what do you think,any legs to this system or should I just roll another,forget about it and try and do something usefull,like getting some work done instead of wasting my time on meaningless crap like this Wink

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